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    Posted: December 02 2018 at 10:16am
please can anyone identify these markings on my long branch please.
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is there any other marking's on the rifle? LH side of the receiver?
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agree - those are not clear enough nor tell the whole story here , check the left side of the wrist and reciever , whats on the knox and barrel as well as the bolt and rear sight , also may be some on the wood furniture and the buttplate , 

post more photos and get more/better info , 
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Italian proof marks I think - 2014 date?
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hope these can help
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Matching numbers 1942 Longbranch; it's a shame that it's deactivated.
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Why do you think its deactivated?
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agree 6L puts it in early 42 production - 1L-20L for that year , 
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Look at the bolt lugs. They've been ground at an angle.
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WOW! yes its a deact, I missed that completely.
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Question.  If that lug was cut like that to deactivate the rifle. What else should you look for? I've seen a hole drilled into and through the chamber, breech plugs,a steel rod welded into the barrel. The obvious  stuff to deactivate  a rifle. Here's why I ask this particular question. I bought a No4Mk1  in my late teens from a pawn shop. Got it home and disassembled it to clean it. My bolt looked just like the one in the picture. Didn't look normal to me so I swapped it for a spare I had. Took it out and shot it. No issues,that I was aware of.  I'm assuming I was lucky to not have something happen. The other thing that is bugging me is that i sold it a few years later to a friend of mine and he sold it to a friend of his. It is currently in a safe in Provo Utah right now. It's taken a half dozen mule deer so far. Should I call this guy and tell him to stop using it?
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im not seein that photo ????
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I expect there is more than just the bolt affected by the de-activation. I don't know the details of the UK de-activation laws; but I do believe they are one of the strictest. Some older de-act's may be less molested.
Maybe one of our UK resident's could confirm what is normal. There sems to be a big market for de-activated weapons in the UK. When you see a 4T de-activated; you really wonder why?
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Hi
Yes the deactivation regulations here in the UK are quite strict, certainly going to have a hard time of reactivating anything that has been through this process.

Guidance on deactivated bolt action rifles, FYIO.

Bolt Action Rifles

  • The chamber is slotted for its entirety; barrel is slotted (two different options) or three calibre sized holes are drilled into it or a 'V' slot is cut into it; the barrel is permanently fixed to the receiver with a hard steel pin (50% chamber diameter) that passes through the chamber and is welded in place; a tight fitting hard steel rod is inserted from the chamber for 2/3 length of the barrel and welded in place through the barrel slot/holes
  • The bolt face is cut back at around 45 degrees and the firing pin is ground back; the firing pin channel is welded; locking lugs are weakened usually by reducing their size
  • A pin is fixed across the magazine well/receiver preventing insertion of a standard magazine
  • The magazine is adapted by adding two slots either side or front and back to allow it to pass either side of the pin in the magazine well
  • EU+ Deactivated bolt action rifles have fully working actions, dry-fire and can be fully stripped apart from the barrel. The adapted magazine can be removed.
To be read in conjunction with the latest EU guidance - 

General Principles

Guidance Notes

Prevent the disassembly of the firearms essential components by welding, bonding or by using appropriate measures with the equivalent degree of permanence. 

Appropriate measures includes the use of blind pinning using a hardened steel pin.

Depending on national laws, this process can be performed after the checking of the National Authority. 

Double submissions will be required in all cases where the certifying body cannot readily inspect the arm to ensure that all work has been carried out in compliance with the regulation.

Hardness of inserts: Deactivating entity has to ensure that pins/plugs/rods used have a hardness of at least 40 HRC and that material used for welding ensures a permanent and effective bond.

The hardness of pins, plugs and rods should be = 40 HRC prior to welding. The onus is on the submitter to ensure that the material sourced is of the correct hardness before welding it on the firearm. A sample of each should be supplied for retention by the Proof Authority as spot checks will be carried out by them and other official bodies.

Arms falling outside of the scope of the EU regulation should continue to be deactivated in accordance with ‘Specifications for the adaptation of shotgun magazines and the deactivation of firearms, revised 2010’.


Arms deactivated prior to the introduction of the regulation submitted for re-certification can still be issued with a UK valid only certificate. It must be noted that should the arm subsequently be sold, exported or fall within the remit of the regulation in any way, it must be brought up to the specification of the EU regulation.



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