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    Posted: August 24 2012 at 4:21am
i was looking at no4 mk2(F) 9/53, sn#PFxxxxx, bolt, reciever, mag sn# all match. looks to be in very good condition, barrel is clean and shiny, bolt still has baked paint on it, remember i am new at this the only the thing i could find to bring up is it already had a #2 bolt head, and when i screwed it all the way down to the bolt it didnt. go past and give that small crossover angle,i not sure thats even an issue but he came down 40.00 to 320.00.    any info or advice would be greatly appriciated
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Canuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2012 at 5:06am
Check for any burrs on the inner bolt-body screw threads, and the threads on the bolt head as well as any gunk/rust that has accumulated inside the bolt head cavity. Might be a bent striker too? I would take apart the whole bolt body and check the striker spring for any burrs or gunk/rust. Maybe all it needs is a good cleaning. Sounds like a very nice example you are looking at, once everything checks out, I would purchase it in a heartbeat.
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Just a note,bolt heads were fitted at the factory and they could be 0,1,2   even possibly 3.  just  as it long  as it passed
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i took the bolt head off , striker looked ok, i thought it might be where that baked paint had not wore off, i almost swear it hasnt been fired from the look of the bolt head surface, but i will be sure to recheck that, thank you.     im going back at 9:00 am,  if anyones got anything else im willing to listen
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When the bolt heads were initially fitted they stopped short of alignment with the lug and armourers would tighten to just past alignment to seat them.  If the bolt closes fully then all's good.  If you ask me I'd say these rifles are worth a lot more then what we want to pay for them.  It's only money and we can spend the difference in a night out and not bat an eyelid.  If you like it and you want it then buy it.  If it has a good clean shiny bore with sharp rifling or maybe not so sharp rifling and it doesn't look battered and beat up and the bolt operates smoothly then it's a good buy.  In my parts a nice original No4 sells for NZ$600 to NZ$800.  Original LE I's go for double that.  I personally don't care if the bore is rusted as long as the rifling is well defined.  I have a fire-lapping trick that cleans them out and makes them shootable.  Not applicable to you but just saying.
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thanks for all the comments,  sometimes i get a little to picky with things when im not real familar with them, thanks for putting up with me, just wanted to make sure i was making a decent buy
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As long as it passes a headspace check & the bolt locks down fully without forcing or problems I'd go for it. The number 2 bolthead  is no problem by itself, they were designed that way so the factory could just swap out heads till it came out within tolerance. Much faster than other designs where it had to go back in for barrel adjustments.
 
The only reason I'm suggesting a headspace check is to verify some numbnutz didnt swap out the bolt head after the factory checked & passed it. That's possible with the under timing issue so check just to be sure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sells101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2012 at 11:31pm
just picked it up , best looking enfield i have seen around here, anyway the seril#PF364373 on reciever, bolt, mag,and etched in under forearm, 303 UK and  A1 ST A1 R VT  on end of barrel,  cycled a few rounds through bolt really good. i like to use anything i buy just trying to find out if this one needs a little extra care.
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Sounds really nice. Can't wait for the pics.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cookie Monster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2012 at 3:45am
Originally posted by BlackAck BlackAck wrote:

Sounds really nice. Can't wait for the pics.
 
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working on it.  i ran across a page last night that had a list of sn#  PF series contract rifles , cant find it today, if anyone has any idea thanks
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Originally posted by sells101 sells101 wrote:

working on it.  i ran across a page last night that had a list of sn#  PF series contract rifles , cant find it today, if anyone has any idea thanks
This one maybe?

Royal Ordnance Factory Fazakerley
No 4 Mk II Production Serial Numbers


Looking at the large number of late Mk1s/early Mk2s coming out of South Africa with govt property stamps on them, perhaps we can pencil in PF 100000 as the first Mk2, and PF 100000 to - say - PF 120000 as "South Africa"......?

PF 100000 PF 120000 South Africa?
PF 118000 PF 217999 N/K 100,000 Start of Mk II Production.
PF 218000 PF 219799 N/K 1800
PF 219799 PF 275947 N/K 56,148
PF 225948 PF 250947 N/K 25,000

Circa 1951/52

PF 250948 PF 301547 British Army 50,600
PF 301548 PF 304047 Sudanese Order 2499
PF 304048 PF 309347 N/K 5300
PF 309348 PF 359347 Irish Republic 49,999?
PF 359348 PF 359747 N/K 400
PF 359748 PF 359817 Zambia 469
PF 359818 PF 359852 Singapore 34
PF 359953 PF 360052 Kingston 99
PF 360053 PF 360202 Trinidad 149
PF 360203 PF 360238 St Vincent 35
PF 360239 PF 360258 St Kitts 19
PF 360259 PF 360459 War Office? 200
(21 missing numbers)
PF 360480 PF 361159 Uganda 679
PF 361160 PF 361259 Parker Hale 99
PF 361028 10/53
PF 361280 PF 401086 Burma 39,806
PF 401087 PF 401495 No 4 (T) Rifles ? 408
PF 401496 PF 404156 N/K 2661
PF 401157 PF 404206 Parker Hale 3049
PF 404207 PF 405392 N/K 1186
PF 405393 PF 405412 St Vincent 19

Circa 1954

PF 405413 PF 405512 N/K 100
PF 405513 PF 405712 Admiralty 100
PF 405713 PF 405812 N/K 100
PF 405813 PF 405848 G E Fulton (Bisley) 35
PF 405849 PF 407448 N/K 1600
PF 406534 10/49
PF 407449 PF 407648 Trinidad 199
PF 407649 PF 407728 Zanzibar 79
PF 407729 PF 411228 N/K 3500
PF 411229 PF 411264 G E Fulton (Bisley) 35
PF 411265 PF 411481 Kenya 216
PF 411482 PF 411471 ? Hong Kong 11
(Confusion of batch No’s!)
PF 411472 PF 412789 N/K 1318

1951 Special Order

PP1 PP43 Parker Hale
PP44 PP47 To an unknown UK source

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THAT WAS IT ,THANKS SHAMU,   FALLS UNDER BURMA ,DOES THAT MAKE IT ANYTHING SPECIAL AS FAR AS COLLECTORS GO, OR JUST A REALLY GOOD SHOOTER, WHICH IS FINE WITH ME. ITS BEEN FIRED BEFORE AS I UNDERSTAND IT  ONCE THERE OUT OF THE WRAP AND FIRED THERE JUST ANOTHER SHOOTER AT THAT POINT, WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING?  ANYWAY ITS A BEAUTIFUL RIFLE TO ME
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Shame a list like that doesn't exist for all marks of Enfields.
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