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Looks like to me all you would have to do is screw on an enfield buttstock with the standard stock screw the same as on an enfield rifle. Might be a no no. That’s why on the pistol buffer tube of an AR pistol there is no threaded screw hole on the end to attach an AR rifle buttstock to it.
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From my understanding.
IF it was a rifle its always a rifle.
it has to have a barrel over 16" & an overall length, with the stock folded if it does so, of 26 1/2". If it fails those three tests it has to be recorded as an SBR & a tax stamp purchased as its now NFA.
If it was BUILT as a pistol then you have to stay UNDER those lengths.

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United States' regulation of short-barreled rifles was the result of the National Firearms Act of 1934 which also imposed restrictions on short barreled shotguns, suppressors and machine guns.[3] Short-barreled rifle (SBR) is a legal designation in the United States, referring to a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm, made from a rifle, with a barrel length of less than 16 in (41 cm) or overall length of less than 26 in (66 cm), or a handgun fitted with a buttstock and a barrel of less than 16 inches length. In the United States, an SBR is an item regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) as a Title II weapon. In the absence of local laws prohibiting ownership, American civilians may own an SBR provided it is registered with the ATF, and a $200 tax is paid prior to taking possession of or creating the firearm.

It is a federal felony to possess an SBR in the United States unless it is registered with the ATF to the person who possesses it. Class 2 manufacturers, Class 3 dealers, and government agencies can transfer these firearms, tax exempt. The individual buyer or owner is responsible for paying the $200 tax when purchasing, manufacturing, or transferring an SBR. They must also notify the ATF when transporting it across state lines.[6]

As a result of the Supreme Court decision in United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Company, 504 U.S. 505 (1992), it is not illegal to possess a "kit" allowing a handgun to be fitted with a buttstock and with barrels both under and over the 16 inch minimum for a rifle, so long as the firearm is only assembled into legal (handgun with no buttstock, rifle with buttstock and 16 inch or longer barrel) configurations. Assembling the firearm into an NFA-regulated configuration (rifle with buttstock but barrel shorter than 16 inches) would be a violation of the National Firearms Act.[7]"

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Title II weapons, or NFA firearms, are designations of certain weapons under the United States National Firearms Act (NFA).

These are weapons requiring a Type 01 Federal Firearms License (FFL) as well as a Class 3 Special Occupation Tax (SOT) to sell, and an ATF Form 4 (transfer of registration) with $200 tax stamp to purchase. Also a Type 07 FFL (manufacturer) with a Class 2 Special Occupation Tax is qualified to purchase and sell. [1] The restrictions apply to certain firearms, explosive munitions, and other devices which are federally regulated by the NFA.[2][3] Any violation of the NFA is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.[4] Per the National Rifle Association's Summary of Gun Control Act of 1968:[5]

Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a revision of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and pertains to machine guns, short or "sawed-off" shotguns and rifles, and so-called "destructive devices" (including grenades, mortars, rocket launchers, large projectiles, and other heavy ordnance). Acquisition of these weapons is subject to prior approval of the Attorney General, and federal registration is required for possession. Generally, a $200 tax is imposed upon each transfer or making of any Title II weapon.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), which enforces federal firearms law, refers to such weapons as "NFA firearms".[6] NFA firearms include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, heavy weapons, explosive ordnance, silencers and "any other weapon" (AOW), such as disguised or improvised firearms.[3] Title I weapons, or GCA firearms, are standard rifles, shotguns, and handguns."

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I emailed  photos to the person I spoke to at the BATF and outlined everything I did. It cannot be,"Readily Converted" back to its original configuration of a rifle. It can only be used as its new design allows it to be used, as a handgun. The wording,"Readily Converted" as used multiple times to me by the BATF person and being defined as," A part of the weapons system that can be readily removed and replaced, such as the barrels and or the stock and or both, at the same time in similar fashion of the TCC platform. I explained the steps and technique of removing the barrel, checking the head space, the steps in removing and replacing the stock. His ONLY concern was IF it could be,"Readily Converted." He was satisfied with the supplied photos and my description. No tax stamp needed. It is classified as a bolt action handgun, no different that that of the Remington XP-100 bolt action handgun...
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I hope you have that in writing, seriously.
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The grip still needs some finite fit and finish work but, you get the idea...
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The grip has been fitted and locked into place. Without the bipod, it is actually quite manageable and fairly well balanced. I will test it out next weekend. I found a picture of a Remington XP-100 for comparison. 
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What can I say? Awesome results! Probably the only one of it's kind! Range report will be interesting. Have you weighed it yet? Are you planning on getting a holster made for it?
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The magazine pictured is a Promag that I cut down to a 7 round setup. I tried using a Santa Fe 5 round, my faux PH 5 round, and a normal 10 round. None of them,"looked" right except for the P.O.S. ProMag. I have not weighed it yet. I did handle it without the bipod attached and it is quite comfortable to handle. It gets a vote of No Confidence for any follow up shot if it were taken into the field, unless you are a southpaw and then that is still a big maybe.
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One final pic...
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I would love to see you shoot that neat critter. Nice build.
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yep I like that unfortunatel living in the nanny country I'll never have anything like it. He'll even gel blasters and need guns are banned in some states. LOL
Anyhow that's Nice workBeer
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i agree - great looking results , enjoy it , it looks like it would be lots of fun , also sounds like you have your bases covered with the ATF in good stead , 
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