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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote g_legris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2020 at 8:01pm
Thanks.  I have no desire to destroy or modify the rifle permanently.  The information about the loss of accuracy if the No 1 Mk III* is made into a sport rifle kills the desire to do it.  It shoots well as is and I have no wish to lose accuracy.   BTW, the rifle has the GR crown, the stamps for 1942 and Mk III* are very visible, but the weaker stamps seem to be SHT L.E. and probably a "B" below the crown.  This would indicate it is a dispersal Birmingham rifle.

I do have a Lithgow No 1 Mk III* 1942 with matching serial numbers for everything but the magazine.  There is no stamp on the magazine.  No way I am altering that one.

I may consider selling the dispersal rifle if I can find a nice No 4 sporter.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2020 at 11:29pm
Thanks for posting the scope mount info. I have not seen that model before.
However one thing does concern me with the fittings. The Knox form area of the fore end is one of the crucial support points for the rifles accuracy. The rifle needs proper fitment at the recoil lug's, the knox form and the up pressure at the nose cap pad.
Even rifles that have been modified for target use will always have special attention paid to the knox form to wood contact.
Removing that to make way for the clamp will likely have adverse effects on accuracy.
I'd like to hear "The Armourer's" point of view on this subject!
As Goosic has proved with his Sporter's; the No4 rifle with it's heavier barrel barrel (than the No1) makes for an accurate hunting rifle.
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Over the last month or so on a Canadian site I keep an eye on (where I bought my bayonet) I've seen several No4 Sporters for sale. A couple looked really nice, Parker Hall mods (P-H front site, Monte Carlo stock) and if I remember D/T'ed. There have also been several with the original butt stock and cut down fore end. Anywhere from $250-$400 CDN.
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That's a new one on me too, thanks.
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As I was reassembling the rifle I took a very close look at the fitting of the S&K scope mount.  Actually, the scope mount does not touch the Knox form.  It is fully mounted on the receiver right behind the Knox form.  I can provide a better photo if needed.  In terms of fitting the fore-end to the rifle, only about a 1/16" deep channel needs to be cut to accommodate the band and the cut out in the fore-end for the king screw for the trigger guard just need to be elongated about a 1/4 or 5/16".  The support under the Knox form remains.

I do not know how critical this all is, but next time I am at the range I'll try to quantify the accuracy of the rifle.

There are some tricks to this mount.  As the front attachment is a band it can rotate.  On the front of the mount is a center point; essentially a very small depression in the mount.  This can easily be aligned with the front and rear sights by looking from the muzzle end (obviously safety first!).  The rear mount, at least on my rifle, has no play as the bevelled block centers it.

Otherwise, the S&K scope rings have considerable left/right play.  I assume this is because the mount cannot easily be aligned perfectly.  They can be adjusted so that any misalignment of the mount can be compensated.
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