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Any thoughts on whether its clean enough at this stage? The draws have been redone so an acetone bath seems out so I don't destroy THAT repair by dissolving the glue used there.
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wrap it in paper towel , pit it in a black plastic garbage gag in the sun , change towels as needed till it quits leaching oils , 
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he!!o A Square...

I've Murphied, mineraled,  heated, wiped, repeat. for several hours over the span of a few days to a point where I then soaked the smaller repair area in acetone. The result is in the photos above. The vast majority of the oil is out. My question is whether, based on an evaluation of the pics, it is clean enough to attempt the repair.
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The problem with wood is its porous.
Today It may be spotless, but oil (& worse) will wick back into the cleaned areas over time.
Right now its perfect probably, but next week?
That issue is only solved by gentle deep cleaning.
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Originally posted by Fazak48 Fazak48 wrote:

Hey Philtno...you live in one of the most beautiful places left on this poor orb. Having traveled quite a bit in my time, it's still on my bucket list. Came close in Australia as a teen.

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I migrated 6 1/2 years ago and only regret not to have done that much earlier...Wink
You might have to wait a little bit for being granted visitor visa from the US, though.... but, hopefully, things will get better and ease with time (just trying NOT to inject any political subliminal opinion here hahahaha)....then, just be welcome Wink

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It's a hot mess here Philtno.

I try hard not to make it worse. Folks have enough on their plate and my politics are mine and I avoid knocking heads with others about them. Seems pretty fruitless if not downright destructive these days.
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ill not intentionally start anything - never have - but ill no longer hold back my opinions , the silent majority has been way too quiet for way too long .

im expecting trouble when trump is reelected - im good with that bring it , but now im seeing where they intend to move the trials here for the four MPLS cops accused of starting all the unrest by detaining a known felon who was high on fentinal to the point he was walking dead [ JMHO based on the facts the attorneys are leaking ] when they are acquitted the outsiders better not think this community will deal with them as seattle and portland has , we are all gearing up for deer hunting out here in the land of "rocks & cows" as our governor labeled us , most of us are sighted in and have sufficient ammo -- not a good place to think about starting a 'peaceful protest' with bricks and molotov cocktails at all , while not planning to be on the defensive at this point we are ready at the time it occurs  
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I fully expect STHTF come November if not before, and prepared for the worst while hoping for the best. that said...I am here to learn and share a common interest and not talk politics.
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FFazak48 as Goosic said hobby shops are your friend for brass rod. Supply houses like Brownell's will ask have stock repair brass pinnings. In the past I have replaced the strap pins on #1 & #4 stocks. Glue, well Elmer's wood or simple white glue has always worked on clean wood for me from split wrists to handguards.

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Roger that MJ and thanks.

Given the critical area and damage, I'm going for the strongest stuff I can find that they use on wood aircraft structures. That and screw rod to replace the pin. I also have to determine the original cause. Gap at the socket, loose king screw, broken pin...? I have to make the initial repair and check the gap. Everything fits tight even with the damage and wood dried out from cleaning so I'm wondering what the root of the problem is. Would BLO alone swell the wood a little or should I go with an initial 50/50 raw linseed/mineral and use the BLO for finish coats to make it possibly a hair tighter?
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Originally posted by Fazak48 Fazak48 wrote:

Roger that MJ and thanks.

. I also have to determine the original cause. Gap at the socket, loose king screw, broken pin...? I have to make the initial repair and check the gap. 

DO NOT fit the forend tight up against the butt-socket - there should be a small gap, otherwise you will get 'splinters' breaking away.

The max gap (according to the Armourers 'bible') is 10thou,





And, from the UKs most senior armourer :

An extract of his presentation on how to fit a forend 


.................Now it’s time to fit the trigger guard and Screw, rear, tie, fore-end if you have a Mk1/2 or 1/3. There’s a good chance that the rear of the trigger guard will foul due to the height of the new wood. If that’s the case, then simply scrape away the wood inside its seating to allow it to seat correctly all the way to the front. The trigger guard should not spring at the rear or front….., NO it shouldn’t! If it was meant to, it’d be made of spring steel! Now for a little tip. The COLLAR. You MUST have a collar and spring washer. This is what WE used to do. Put the front trigger guard screw into the trigger guard and body WITHOUT the washer or collar. Reverse it (that’s anti-clockwise …..) until you hear it click over the start thread and tighten it BUT COUNT THE TURNS UNTIL IT TIGHTENS AND LOCKS. Say, that it’s 7 ¼ turns to lock. Now do this with the collar fitted if it’s now, say 6 ½ turns, shorten the collar, a smidgin at a time, until the screw tightens up at exactly 7 ¼ turns. That way, you KNOW that the screw is tight, the fore-end is tight between the trigger guard and the screw and you are not crushing the living daylights out of the fore-end. And if it feels a little loose in a years time, then you can safely turn a few thou off the collar.

Now there’s a slight relaxation to this rule. If, after a days shooting, a gap between the rear of the fore-end and face of the butt socket opens up, up to .010”, then this is acceptable providing that there’s no noticeable play fore and aft (there won’t be if you’ve adjusted the collar correctly …) and the correct bearings at the reinforce, draws, magazine well sides and muzzle are intact.


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