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I was led to believe that the 'button hole' was to allow the WWI style frog to be used with the WWII spike bayonet???
Don't remember from where I got that titbit of info.
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From 1951. So should fit nicely to my bayonet, period correct, but the webbing is TIGHT!!
 
No hole in upper strap.
 
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Just use the slit between the 2 straps.
& lots of wiggling as you slide it on.
You might try pre-stretching it a bit with something like a broom handle wiggled in & left overnight as well to let it open more.
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that 51 should work fine , shamu is correct , lots of wiggle will get it done , turn the stud to the side/back  and let it slip under then straighten into the slit between , 


simon - never heard that one before but could well be , maybe some idle time reading my references is in order , 
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Funny how memory works. I remember who it was that told me now, it was our Territorial Sergeant, a Sergeant Bellamy at Army Cadets in the 1960s. Clear as a bell, I can hear his voice, but I couldn't tell you where I was and what I was doing at this time a week ago...... 

We wore wool battledress, and WE.37 webbing belts and gators. The web was blackened and the brass was polished. The flag party honour guard carried No.4 rifles and wore the spike bayonet on the belt, same dual purpose frog with the button hole.
That is also where the teaspoon handle used like a shoe horn idea came from. The scabbard was removed when blacking the webbing with black boot polish. The teaspoon handle let you slip the button out, or back under the loop.

There is an original set of P37 Canadian webbing in my collection, I have a WWII artillery officer's uniforms, his Sam Brown kit and webbing in his travel trunk up in the mezzanine. If I remember correctly, the spike scabbard mounts in the button hole so I have an example. Tomorrow I will put my snowshoes on and go out to the garage with the camera and we will see how the spike bayonet scabbard so fits.


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would soaking it in water help loosen? It would dry awfully tight, I would imagine.
(As in: pay attention - I can only do this once.)
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Soaking in warm soapy water might relax it a bit, that does help form leather frogs. But I am wondering if cotton web is like natural fibre rope. 

When rope gets wet, the fibres soak up the water and swell, making them fatter but shorter. The result is a shorter rope. One reason why a tight knot is much harder to untie in a wet rope. Sailors carried a marlin spike on their knife for that reason.

But this sounds like it would make an interesting experiment.
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i have never used water , work it slow and easy like your 'first time?' 
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 work it slow and easy like your 'first time?' 

I just spat coffee on my keyboard! LMAO!!

mine was not slow and easy, far from it!
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i get that .... few of us had that kind of time back then , hope your keyboard survived ..........
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