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    Posted: September 23 2020 at 8:46am
I installed a Parker Hale 5c on a No4 Mk1 full length barreled, faux L42A1 I have. I did have a 4x Leupold on it prior and it was a very consistent shooting rifle. It would average 2" groups @ 100 yards with 150 Hornady Spire Points. It was raining some this morning, but I had to try out the new rig. I was using 6" paper plates @25 yards. I was on paper with no adjustments! .68" three shots group. As I mentioned, this rifle shoots pretty good. Although I wasn't planning on it this trip, I went to the 100 yard range. Five shot group was 2.66". I was very satisfied after this first outing as this Parker Hale site is way different than the one I have on my No1. Both really fun! Thanks, Goosic!
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So now you have a Faux L39A1!Thumbs Up
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Zed. I bought this rifle several years back once I became addicted (or re-addicted) to Enfields. For which I blame this site! This site made me look into the history of this venerable rifle. Recently, I realize that I was calling it a faux L42A1 when it wasn't. Help me. It's a cobbled together (I assume) No4 Mk1 that has a full length barrel, furniture cut down just proud of the front barrel band, by a very respectable Brit living in Canada. It also has a walnut cheek piece, and a non fully rotating King Screw. in .303. Yes. It is a faux L39A1 in .303.
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I am very glad and pleased that it has worked out for you. Enjoy it...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2020 at 11:27am
Honkytonk; I think it's fair to say that if you've got the scope fitted, it's in the L42 style and with the Parker Hale rear sight it's in the style of the L39.
The L39 has the same 7.62 hammer forged heavy barrel and woodwork as the L42; but it is built on the No4Mk2 platform with the trigger mounted on the receiver. I was built for military shooting teams. The L42 was the service sniper rifle built on original No4Mk1T's.
Alongside the L39 and L42; using similar spec barrels but No8 Style woodwork are the Enforcer, supplied to Police forces with generally a Pecar scope, and the Envoy, for civilian target use.

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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

The L39  is built on the No4Mk2 platform with the trigger mounted on the receiver. 


I think I posted these previously, but anyway :

An extract of notes on a presentation by Peter Laidler "The L39"


I was having a browse through the Small Arms Committee minutes relating to the L39A1 rifle the other day and found some bits and pieces that I think I ought to pass on. Including some things that I never realized either!

The first bit is that contrary to what I firmly believed, that the rifles were built up to new rifle specification from ‘new’ components (including new barrels obviously) including bodies but the committee minutes state ‘….rifles converted from the Rifle No4 Mk1/2 and 2’ too. I was under the impression from the Armourers technical blurb that all L39’s were made ‘as new’. But this is clearly not so because Mk1/2 type L39’s will exist.

This COULD mean that L39’s were made from brand new, unused ex c.1955 Fazakerley bodies. It could also include USED ex .303” Mk2 bodies. It could also Mk2/1 rifles unbreeched and rebarrelled at the point of conversion to L39 at Enfield and it COULD include bodies converted to Mk1/2 but UNUSED since conversion at Fazakerley in the late 40’s to mid 50’s. However, no mention is made of Mk1/3 bodies.

Paragraph 3 of the build standard states that the rifles will be fitted with the stock butt of the No4 rifle, ‘….identical except that a small recess is machined under the knuckle to hold spare foresight blades in a suitable container. There you have it. The correct, ‘as-issue’ butt is that of the No4, modified as detailed above. But (if you’ll excuse the pun), more later….!

Para 8 of the build standard also states that the magazine will be the standard .303” magazine that will be used as a loading platform. It goes on to state that the rifle may be fitted with a 10 round 7.62mm magazine at the users request

Now here’s a surprise…….. Para 20 states that certain rifles are fitted with a special factory size 00 bolt head. ‘……..at the factory only, it is used when assembly tolerances require a smaller head than a ‘0’. The bolt head is special and is not provisioned as a spare’. There’s a thing to get your know-it-all mates coughing into their beer!

Instruction 1 to the committee says that the first 50 EX type rifles (or should this be XL rifles?) were produced and procured with trigger pressures set to the SERVICE limits of 1st - 3 to 4 lbs and 2nd – 5 to 6.5 lbs. But subsequent series production is to be set at 1st - 2.5 to 3.5 lbs and 2nd – 4 to 5.5lbs pull. To cater for this permissible adjustment, the face of the sear can be adjusted to a maximum angle of 80 degrees ( to decrease the sear load pressure). Additionally, magazine catches with an additional sear spring location recess BELOW the original will be provided or may be encountered. There, that’s the answer if you have one on yours!

Now, in conjunction with the civilian target shooting world and the Army Rifle Association, the Light Weapon Defect and Modification Committee has agreed that build standard of the L39 rifle may be altered to include the following:
A commercial SLING SWIVEL can be fitted in place of the front trigger guard screw
A commercial STOCK FORE-END can be fitted using commercially or UK Military recognized practice to ensure the correct bedding and assembly of the barrel and body
STOCK BUTT can be replaced with the service No5, No8, No4 variants and a commercial ‘monte-carlo type with suitable face pieces (I think they mean cheek rests…..) dependent on the competitors competitive situation (type of competition rules ?)
TUNNEL FORESIGHTS of the PH FS-22A or any similar trade pattern WITH THE CORRECT DOVETAIL ARRANGEMENT. Can be used.
REARSIGHT: Any make of sight, similar to the PH 5C or AJP 4/47 which can be readily adapted can be used providing that it does so without resorting to any alteration of any kind to the rifle.

The inspection of any altered or modified L39 rifle will be undertaken by the periodic REME Armourers inspection which we still call the PRE. They will take into account the competitive nature of the weapon and their inspection will concern only the safety and mechanical condition. Any weapon that includes any deviation from the build standard will be returned to that standard prior to disposal or return to Ordnance.

Well, there it is! What is quite interesting is the fact that no sights are fitted to this weapon according to the build sheet standard, not even a standard backsight! Even to the point that Field and Base workshops required to test them for accuracy were to have available a PH5C sight in order to do so (using the authority of the SA Committee to purchase one!). The report also states that no government stores are to be used outside the build sheet standard. So this means that even if you just wanted to use a standard No4 Mk1 type (or an L42 metric version) backsight, you weren’t allowed. But I don’t expect anyone ever abided by those rules.

There, another few useless bits of Lee Enfield knowledge that you didn’t know about. Anyone want me to go through the L42 blurb too?

 


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Please remember! I absolutely know it is neither a L42A1 nor a L39! It is a No4 Mk1 that I purchased several years ago. It has a full length barrel, cut down forestock and a walnut cheek piece on a stock. I bought it this way. It's .303, and I had installed an Addley no-drill scope mount, and mounted a Leupold 1.5x4 straight tube. It is now the same rifle with a P-H 5c instead of the scope. Once I found the right load, it's a pretty consistent shooter. 
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We can call these guns "Replica's"  I am building an NRA Sporter "Replica" right now based on a 03A3 barreled action.  I have all the correct piece parts for the stock and it is going to be a really nice "Shooter" that looks like an NRA Sporter.  I am a "Shooter," not so much a "Collector.."

My L39 "Replica" came to me as a Parker Hale Standard Sporter. The barrel was excellent so I found a handguard and fitted it and the barrel band so it looked right. Refinished the wood and kind of matched the 3 pieces so they didn't look bad. Three different kinds of wood so virtually impossible to get an exact match. You can see the Butt stock is much darker than the rest of the wood. I don't know what the Fore End is made from, It is not stained it came out that color with only Tru Oil, it smelled like Cocobolo when sanding it. The handguard was some "light wood," and had to be stained to match the Fore End. The stock and fore end were varnished and I literally took a finish sander to them to remove the Paint which was 1/8" thick in most places and to remove some of the "Less than Major" Dings and Dents in the wood.Tthe most prominent ones are still there.. 


I looked at a PH 5C but could bring myself to spend $400+ on a sight for a $200 gun so I made an adapter and installed a Redfield Olympic Rear Sight that I got off Ebay for $70. It works very well!



The gun shoots well, and I shot my best Short Range Silhouette score of 32/40 with it using Lyman 314299's and 16 gr of 2400 powder.  I also shoot Long Range Silhouette with it..

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I like what you've done! And it's a shooter!
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