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    Posted: October 28 2022 at 7:17pm
I have located a Parker Hale PH5C to put on my Savage Enfield project that I can afford. I just in the last few minutes found that these are bolt on and require no drilling or modifying of the receiver. Question, does the forearm wood have to be modified for these? In it's lowest elevation setting does the movable slide part hit the wood?

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No modifications required.  The windage arm is quick detachable too for convenience.  Generally, any front sight height should work, the rear sight has plenty of elevation adjustment.

Make sure that the sight comes with two screws.  One goes in place of the of the ejector screw and the other is installed thru the left rear sight axis pin lug on the receiver. 
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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

No modifications required.  The windage arm is quick detachable too for convenience.  Generally, any front sight height should work, the rear sight has plenty of elevation adjustment.

Make sure that the sight comes with two screws.  One goes in place of the of the ejector screw and the other is installed thru the left rear sight axis pin lug on the receiver. 

Just to add to this, the screw** that goes thru the rear sight mounting hole can be one of two options.

1) A short screw** that simply bolts thru.' one of the rear sight lugs and then into the PH5C
2) A long screw** that passes thru both of the rear sight lugs and then into the PH5C.


Now - the problems.

With the short screw holding on only one of the original rear sight lugs the action can spread / flex under recoil and your accuracy will be 'inconsistant' at best, so do not use this,

With the long screw, it is possible to overtighten the screw such that the action is 'crushed' and the bolt trapped, you can even crush the bolt so it is immovable. When using the long screw you must put a lock-nut (correct size and thread obviously) between the two original rear sight lugs. Attach the PH5C 'tightly' but not crushing the action, then tighten up the locking nut against the 'inside' of the lug on which the PH5C is attached.

Cycle the bolt to ensure there is absolutely no resistance.
If there is any resistance to the bolt, then back off the lock nut, back off the 'long screw' by 'a thread', retighten the lock nut and test again for any resistance on the bolt.



**  I use the term 'screw' to differentiate it from the rifle bolt. I wrote originally 'bolt' (as that is what it is) but I had too many 'bolts' and the clarity of which was which was not easy to follow.

Substitute BOLT for screw once you understand the principles.


How do I know this : I have tried the short 'screw' and suffered, and the 'long screw' and suffered until I found out how to do it properly.

This is the short screw installation. (I don't seem to have pictures of the long screw installation)


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Interesting.  I’ve never seen the long screw, didn’t know there was one. 

I can usually wring out about 1.5 MOA ten shot groups using the PH 5c with the short screw.  A bit better if shooting off the bench.  What groups do you get with the long screw? 


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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Interesting.  I’ve never seen the long screw, didn’t know there was one. 

I can usually wring out about 1.5 MOA ten shot groups using the PH 5c with the short screw.  A bit better if shooting off the bench.  What groups do you get with the long screw? 



It depends on what the condition of the rifle is to start with - putting better sights (or optics) on a worn out rifle will improve nothing.

On my Savage I reckon to be able to get around 1MoA

This is at 75 metres (82 yards) 
2x "warming rounds" (on PoA) at 10:00 o'Clock and then 5 rounds.
Lying Prone, Elbow support only. Wind 10mph right to left.





Cut a drinking straw (or something similar) and wedge it between the two sight lugs. I'm pretty sure that it will fall out on firing as the action flexes.


A brief extract from Peter Laidler 'lectures' discussing the body flexing and its effects.

Imagine, that in effect you have now removed the rear sight - how much additional movement will there be ?

You could always tell the high mileage rifles, apart from the shot-out barrels because the backsight axis pin retaining pin (longest name of a part on the rifle. The PIN, retaining, pin axis backsight) was always sheared where the bodies had expanded at the rear and sheared it. So, if at the moment of firing/and max pressure/load the body spreads at the rear, especially during a gun battle, I suppose it would upset the balance between the locking lugs, bolt and cartridge seating on the bolt face.


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The original advert for the 4/47 sight (equivalent to the 5C) shows the long bolt in place.



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Add key Precision no-drill mounts have a "Spreader bar" that you put in between the ears that the "screw" goes through. It also has a pasture site in this spreader bar that is calibrated to 300 yards. Might solve the flex problem.
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

Add key Precision no-drill mounts have a "Spreader bar" that you put in between the ears that the "screw" goes through. It also has a pasture site in this spreader bar that is calibrated to 300 yards. Might solve the flex problem.

Never heard of that but sounds a good, simple solution.Thanks.
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Awesome! Thanks all!

Yes, I was studying these sights last night and had looked at both the short and long bolt set-up. I had already decided that I need the long bolt with jam-nut version if I were to get one of these. Looked to be the best way to go.

This set-up.




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I really like these type of fully adjustable peep sight set-ups. I have a lyman version on my M1895 Chilean Mauser. I bought the rifle with the holes already drilled and tapped for it. Found a vintage set of Lyman sights for it and installed them. It made a world of difference at the range. Looks pretty cool as well. :)







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I would send a pic of the Addley set-up but my computer skills are pretty much non-existent. Think square stock with a machined hump in it (that's were the aperture is) and a hole drilled through the square stock to accompany the through bolt/screw. Square stock is machined to fit snug so you really can't over tighten it and pull in the ears.
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

I would send a pic of the Addley set-up but my computer skills are pretty much non-existent. Think square stock with a machined hump in it (that's were the aperture is) and a hole drilled through the square stock to accompany the through bolt/screw. Square stock is machined to fit snug so you really can't over tighten it and pull in the ears.

Thanks. I was actually thinking of doing that. Maybe some round stock as well.
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That'll work!
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Well, I ordered it. Going to be coming in from the UK. Best deal I could find on one of these. It comes with the 6 hole diopter. I'm excited. Now for the long shipping wait. Lol






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Shouldn`t be too long. I ordered parts for my central Sight from the UK, and it arrived 10 days later.
Though this is Canada, not sure what your import rules are like for gun parts.e
Only seem to have issues ordering from the States.. lol
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I hope it's only 10 days. I have not had problems in the past getting gun parts sent here from other countries. Canada, Spain, UK.
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