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I really like the eye-piece on your sight! It may allow to shoot at 100 yards without getting in the way of cycling the bolt. My eye-piece is some German one that looks like it has a bigger diameter than yours. Let us know!
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Originally posted by scottz63 scottz63 wrote:

Well, I ordered it. Going to be coming in from the UK. Best deal I could find on one of these. It comes with the 6 hole diopter. I'm excited. Now for the long shipping wait. Lol







That looks to me to have the '6-hole' slide missing - it should be standing slightly proud of slot (at 3 O'clock on the bottom picture). maybe it is just the angles ?

a The outer part unscrews (you can see the join line in the centre of the 'barrel') which allows you to add prescrpition lens, OR, coloured filters.

They are a good eye piece.

PH made many different versions and that one is 'in the middle of the pack'.

If you want to improve it try and find a JH steward eyepiece that has infinite iris adjustment and coloured filter incorporated into the body as well.
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This is a pricey piece, just got one from the UK, 69 pounds sterling plus shipping.
The iris one was 145 pounds, though both were NOS. The iris ones are slick but more than I wanted to pay.
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

I really like the eye-piece on your sight! It may allow to shoot at 100 yards without getting in the way of cycling the bolt. My eye-piece is some German one that looks like it has a bigger diameter than yours. Let us know!

Thanks! I think I will like it as well. I have never messed with an adjustable diopter eypiece before. I can't wait to play with it! Lol
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Originally posted by The Armourer The Armourer wrote:

That looks to me to have the '6-hole' slide missing - it should be standing slightly proud of slot (at 3 O'clock on the bottom picture). maybe it is just the angles ?

a The outer part unscrews (you can see the join line in the centre of the 'barrel') which allows you to add prescrpition lens, OR, coloured filters.

They are a good eye piece.

PH made many different versions and that one is 'in the middle of the pack'.

If you want to improve it try and find a JH steward eyepiece that has infinite iris adjustment and coloured filter incorporated into the body as well.

I think the slide is there. Here is another pic from a different angle. It shows what I think is the adjusting slide. 



Interesting about the colored filters. I was reading about that and did not know if mine would have it. I like using amber shooting glasses. I wonder if there is an amber filter for these?


Looks like there is an amber filter. Now if I can find one.


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Yup- thats the 6-hole slide all present and correct.


Get some coloured 'plastic' sheet and make your own filters.

Alternatively look out for the PH filter holder (a small round brass box that screws undeneath the butt. These are designed to hold the filters and as often as not will have them included.

Also used to hold the front sight elements :


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Originally posted by The Armourer The Armourer wrote:

Yup- thats the 6-hole slide all present and correct.


Get some coloured 'plastic' sheet and make your own filters.

Thanks! That's what I wanted to hear.

I might have to do that with some colored acrylic. 
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The German eyepiece needs (on my rifle) 27 1/2 MOA clicks above 100 yd zero to clear the bolt handle.
The PH5 needed 32, but it has the QR feature & its easy to reset back to zero.
That means a custom front sight blade, because the tallest Enfield one isn't enough.
The P-H 6-hole one is roughly 0.2" less in diameter from my measurements & clears with no problem.
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1st thread looked at I have already learnt something . I didnt know the sight "barrel " unscrewed  to fit coloured filters .
I have recently bought a #1mk3 rifle that someone had fitted this ph5c sight to ........not very well . They had drilled an extra hole ( not square to the action ) and in such a way that the tighter one tightened the extra screw the more something was bending. Other screw went into the ejector screw hole, all a bit rough. Actually turned out to be a real bargain  as I wanted the sight for my #4mk1*  so that was good  , but the rifle also had a very good cond heavy barrel fitted ,with the "H"  stamped on it .  Im happy 😁
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

The German eyepiece needs (on my rifle) 27 1/2 MOA clicks above 100 yd zero to clear the bolt handle.
The PH5 needed 32, but it has the QR feature & its easy to reset back to zero.
That means a custom front sight blade, because the tallest Enfield one isn't enough.
The P-H 6-hole one is roughly 0.2" less in diameter from my measurements & clears with no problem.

That's good to hear as well. Thanks!
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Originally posted by Mc Tool Mc Tool wrote:

1st thread looked at I have already learnt something . I didnt know the sight "barrel " unscrewed  to fit coloured filters .
I have recently bought a #1mk3 rifle that someone had fitted this ph5c sight to ........not very well . They had drilled an extra hole ( not square to the action ) and in such a way that the tighter one tightened the extra screw the more something was bending. Other screw went into the ejector screw hole, all a bit rough. Actually turned out to be a real bargain  as I wanted the sight for my #4mk1*  so that was good  , but the rifle also had a very good cond heavy barrel fitted ,with the "H"  stamped on it .  Im happy 😁
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If you want to fit a similar sight onto the No1 Mk3 then you could use (amongst others) a PH5A

Looks like this :



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Nice! I saw a couple of those while looking for a PH5C. None of them had that rubber eyepiece extension though. Looks like the bolt hits it and flexes it up on the way back. Interesting.
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Originally posted by The Armourer The Armourer wrote:

Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Interesting.  I’ve never seen the long screw, didn’t know there was one. 

I can usually wring out about 1.5 MOA ten shot groups using the PH 5c with the short screw.  A bit better if shooting off the bench.  What groups do you get with the long screw? 



It depends on what the condition of the rifle is to start with - putting better sights (or optics) on a worn out rifle will improve nothing.

On my Savage I reckon to be able to get around 1MoA

This is at 75 metres (82 yards) 
2x "warming rounds" (on PoA) at 10:00 o'Clock and then 5 rounds.
Lying Prone, Elbow support only. Wind 10mph right to left.





Cut a drinking straw (or something similar) and wedge it between the two sight lugs. I'm pretty sure that it will fall out on firing as the action flexes.


A brief extract from Peter Laidler 'lectures' discussing the body flexing and its effects.

Imagine, that in effect you have now removed the rear sight - how much additional movement will there be ?

You could always tell the high mileage rifles, apart from the shot-out barrels because the backsight axis pin retaining pin (longest name of a part on the rifle. The PIN, retaining, pin axis backsight) was always sheared where the bodies had expanded at the rear and sheared it. So, if at the moment of firing/and max pressure/load the body spreads at the rear, especially during a gun battle, I suppose it would upset the balance between the locking lugs, bolt and cartridge seating on the bolt face.



I never would have thought that little 0.05 inch diameter backsight axis retaining pin holds the action together.   I suppose it might hold 100 lbs, maybe more if it’s a high strength steel. But the load can’t be that high, or it would bend the pin.

You peaked my curiosity.  I have shot the No. 4 (T) with and without the backsight, never noticed any difference.  

Do you happen to know what the thread is on the PH 5c rear attachment (BA)? I’d like to get a longer bolt (screw) to see if it makes any difference.  

Outstanding shooting with your Savage Armourer.  I rarely get this result (less than 1 MOA), probably never with 10 rounds, occasionally with 5.  I’d say on average, I hold to 1 MOA in prone, and the rifle probably shoots to within 1 MOA, thus 10 shot groups run about 2 MOA.  The best I did in a match with my No. 4 was 10 consecutive shots within the 3 inch X ring at 200 yards (US NRA Short Range Target). Some luck involved there…






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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Originally posted by The Armourer The Armourer wrote:

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Do you happen to know what the thread is on the PH 5c rear attachment (BA)? I’d like to get a longer bolt (screw) to see if it makes any difference.  




Its a while ago but from memory the front (ejector bolt / screw) is 3BA and the rear is 5BA

In the USA BA bolts are readily available from 'model shops' (particularly for folks building up model steam engines etc)
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More good info to know. Thanks!

That 5BA bolt, what is the OD of the threads? The little bit I could find says .1260in/3.2mm. Is this correct?

Reason I am asking is so I can find some appropriate round stock for a spacer.
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Originally posted by scottz63 scottz63 wrote:

More good info to know. Thanks!

That 5BA bolt, what is the OD of the threads? The little bit I could find says .1260in/3.2mm. Is this correct?

Reason I am asking is so I can find some appropriate round stock for a spacer.


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