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    Posted: August 23 2009 at 4:31pm
I have done some searching but haven't come up with much. I am looking at turning this enfield into my personal hunting machine. The current sporter job is really only cut up wood.  The steel is all intact. Now the barrel end could stand a little trim at the end since it is a bit deformed from wear, but other than that, its in OK condition with nearly all the parkerizing gone. Since it's a #1 Mk3 it has a removable ramp sight and removable fore sight, and I am thinking I will put The ATI monte carlo stock on it and remove the iron sights.

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a) How do you guys like the ATI Monte Carlo stocks?
b) How do you like the ATI scope mount
c) Why will the ATI scope mount not work on a .308 is a .308 a different gun?

d) If I am going to turn this into my hunting rifle, why not go ahead and have it re-barreled in .308Win?
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Well the 308 winchester cartridge is completely different to the 303. The 303 has a rim, is slightly longer, can't handle as much pressure and has a bore diameter of about .311!
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And the snow will cover tracks,

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ATI Specifically mentions that their Enfield No.1 Mk3 scope mount will fit a .303 but "cannot be modified to fit .308".

There are some members on this board that have converted their SMLE to .308 so I was trying to understand if the scope mount does not fit conversions or if their was a .308 factory made gun.

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There is a Ishapore Enfield Rifle the 7.62mm 2A1 which is chambered for the 7.62NATO. By the way is different then the .308 winchester and should not be interchanged. The Enfield action is UNSAFE to handle the pressures of the .308 Winchester. You can find the 2A1's easy White Rhino can guide you in the right direction. The NATO ammo  gets ballistics close to the Winchester. The .303 is an excellent hunting round if you choose to stay with it. If you do a topic search you will see it has been well liked for that, by all the members. Good Luck and be careful. And do not interchange 7.62NATO ammo with .308 Winchester or use an Enfield action for the commercial .308 ammo.
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Hey Erik
 
The ATI Stock is nice, myself and a few of my buddies have them and enjoy them all, and since you plan on mounting optics on it I believe you will like the higher rise of the butt stock.  As oppose to say a ramline, I have no problems with my ramline it took a lil more figitting to fit, but it suits the average person bettter for eye relief and natural positioning to use it with the iron sights.   Where the taller stock on the ATI gives you a more natural and comfortable position for optics.
 
Just my 2 cents.....OOhh and we all have No.1's
 
      
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Thanks for the reply. Seems like there are not too many hunters on here willing to share info... or too busy I guess..
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Originally posted by K. Erik Hoopes K. Erik Hoopes wrote:

Thanks for the reply. Seems like there are not too many hunters on here willing to share info... or too busy I guess..


 Why change a calibre when 303 is gteed to bring down anything you're likely to come across?? Save your money load your own cases.
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I'm with Tony there, I would be comfortable hunting anything in North America with mine.  Are you looking for something more specific? IE bullet weights and types?
 
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I have a #4/Mk1 that I bought as already sporterized but the wood sucked so I went to an ATI. It took a LOT of fitting to get it just right where the reciver and barrel sit firmly into the stock. I mean like hours of scraping with a chisel and sandpaper and even some file work. The finished product was satifying. I use iron sights currently as I have another LE done by Parker Hale with a scope. I do like the ATI stock for its' appearance and functionality and you can't dent or scratch the surface very easily so it is a great bush-carry piece and it takes well to a gentle plop into the back seat of my truck on hunting trips. With the black stock it makes a LE rifle look almost like a 'special ops' gun that doesn't reflect light at all.   
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I think the .308 barrel's outside dimensions are much bigger than the .303 one is. I guess if the mount attached round the barrel then it would have to be for one or the other as they'd need different sized holes to fit?
 
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as always i preface this with the caveate that we as collectors do not like seeing a milsurp destroyed - they are what they are for us , but having said that im hoping your 'modernization' is happening to one already modified which i have no problem with at all , if you search a bit there is a fellow here that makes an art of doing the conversions and i highly recomend him to anyone trying something new
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I agree with A square.
 if you look at some posts or search on here we had a similar conversation a couple of months back.
But that being said I have an ATI stock it fit perfectly when I got it. ...but took it off becouse it's heavier than my cut up wood one and I am not into the "black" look,and just didnt like it? no real good answer?
If your barrel end is visably worn  you could cut it off yourself and recrown your barrel,we have been shown that a lee brass trimmer and propper sized pilot can do as good a job as you need done for very little cash.
And I am not a collector of milsurp,just old enfields that others didnt want?I hadnt seen a full military unit till I came here and now am slowly working on getting one  back to spec.have an order in for wood and just waiting now...
If your rifle has the tabs at the back for the flip up rear sites there is a company that sells a scope mount for an enfield
( better in my opinion than an ATI) so you dont have to drill into your action,See Shamo for this he's posted some nice pic's of the mount. I would keep the iron sights as backup,becouse when your walking through a ravine in early november and you slip on a frozen gravel bed and your nicely finished enfield goes slidding farther into the ravine while your sitting an your...sore butt you know the IRON sights will be there for you.
And dont know as I havent touched an 308 enfield,why spend money on a new barrel and everything else you would need for aconvertion when your trusty 303 will and has killed everything on...well everywhere
Good luck and enjoy. in the end it all comes down to what you are happy with
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Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

I agree with A square.
 if you look at some posts or search on here we had a similar conversation a couple of months back.
But that being said I have an ATI stock it fit perfectly when I got it. ...but took it off becouse it's heavier than my cut up wood one and I am not into the "black" look,and just didnt like it? no real good answer?
If your barrel end is visably worn  you could cut it off yourself and recrown your barrel,we have been shown that a lee brass trimmer and propper sized pilot can do as good a job as you need done for very little cash.
And I am not a collector of milsurp,just old enfields that others didnt want?I hadnt seen a full military unit till I came here and now am slowly working on getting one  back to spec.have an order in for wood and just waiting now...
If your rifle has the tabs at the back for the flip up rear sites there is a company that sells a scope mount for an enfield
( better in my opinion than an ATI) so you dont have to drill into your action,See Shamo for this he's posted some nice pic's of the mount. I would keep the iron sights as backup,becouse when your walking through a ravine in early november and you slip on a frozen gravel bed and your nicely finished enfield goes slidding farther into the ravine while your sitting an your...sore butt you know the IRON sights will be there for you.
And dont know as I havent touched an 308 enfield,why spend money on a new barrel and everything else you would need for aconvertion when your trusty 303 will and has killed everything on...well everywhere
Good luck and enjoy. in the end it all comes down to what you are happy with
 
Rob post some pictures for sure if you already have not done so... Thanks
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I Have posted  pic's of my gun's on hereI think in my new person post?,if thats what you wanted,the recrowning is on another post ...(cutting barrel to 20") Jacko has an awesome pic of a crowning a barrel. and shamo has some good pic's of the mount ,I cant find it right now tho...could do a search for it in Shamos posts as well as on Richard/SIA he has info as well.
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Sounds like with all those modifications you want something other than an Enfield. You might be happier just buying a 308 or 30.06 with a plastic stock and saving the Enfield.
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he!!o all.  

I'm new here and still finding my way around.  The comment on a NoI MkIII converted to 308 got my attention.  The No4 can be converted and has been converted but not the NoI MkIII.  Even the much stronger No4 is pushing it to max and should not be done.  The Ishapore Enfield is a different animal made from the same steel as the No4 and is strong enough for the 7.62 Nato, for which it was built.  Even MkVIII 303 machine gun ammo will damage a NoI MkIII.

Just thought I'd mention that.
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