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Topic: No7MkI/L arrived...
Posted By: Goosic
Subject: No7MkI/L arrived...
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 1:18pm
It's dirty,greasy,caked with cosmoline, and it smells funny. I like it!!!
Everything as far as the twisty bit goes,works flawlessly.  I have found only 4 stamps. The No7MkI/L,a V, a broad arrow, and M47A.
I do not intend to ever relinquish ownership of this bayonet and have therefore decided to restore it to what it might have looked like when it was first assembled. I was told that I now have two of the most sought out bayonets for the No4 rifle,the SM No4Mk1 cruciform and the BSA No7MkI (even though it was intended for another weapon). I think in doing okay so far...Thumbs Up



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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 1:35pm
This is all the info I could find on it doing an interweb search.

No. 7 Mk. I/LThe No. 7 Mk. I/L was a very innovative and complex design, with a unique swiveling pommel. Part knife bayonet and part socket bayonet, the No. 7 Mk. I/L would mount to the  http://worldbayonets.com/Rifles/G1014/G1014-2.html" rel="nofollow - Lee Enfield No. 4 rifle and the Mk. V Sten submachine gun.

The No. 7 Mk. I/L (number seven, mark one, land service) was intended to address a number of desires:

1) Replace the No. 4 spike bayonet     (that nobody liked);
2) Utilize the clip-point blade of the     No. 5 Mk. I bayonet (that     everybody liked); and,
3) Serve a dual role as a fighting     knife.

Despite all of it's ingenuity, the No. 7 Mk. I/L came to prove the old adage that a camel is a horse, as designed by committee. Although capable of mounting to the No. 4 rifle, these bayonets were not issued as such, only being used with the No. 4 rifle for ceremonial purposes.

The grip scales are made of a resin impregnated cloth composite, Paxolin, and have deep finger grooves to allow use as a fighting knife. Examples are also found with black grips.

176,000 No. 7 Mk. I/L bayonets were produced. The design was perfected by the Wilkinson Sword Co., who produced 1,000 bayonets in 1944. Mass production was carried out by four manufacturers from 1945–1948:

Birmingham Small Arms, Ltd. —25,000;

Elkington & Co. Ltd., Birmingham —20,000;

Royal Ordnance Factory, Poole —30,000; and,

Royal Ordnance Factory, Newport —100,000.



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 1:40pm
IIRC "M47A" is BSA Small Heath (Nr Birmingham)

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 6:30pm
congrats - a black one in deed , very nice , 

ive only found poole in mine - the least prolific , you found a BSA i was looking for - congrats , clean it and i think you will be happy , it saw little use , should clean up real nice , 

they were intended for more than one use - the no4 being one so i think your spot on having it in your collection , it is unique in this realm , 


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 8:50pm
It was horrendous on the inside. I'm cleaning everything in hot water using Dawn dishwashing detergent, a toothbrush and wash rag. If you've ever wondered what a totally disassembled No7MkI bayonet looks like...Hug


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 09 2020 at 10:16pm
Cleaned up,lightly greased, and reassembled.  Amazingly, nothing needed to be,"touched up". I am extremely happy that I was able to aquire this bayonet...


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 12:53am
That's cleaned up nicely. Great addition to your collection.
Do you have a No9 Bayonet as well?

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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 5:06am
Tucked away somewhere, I have a Savage made spike bayonet and a No9 blade type. 


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 9:18am
Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

That's cleaned up nicely. Great addition to your collection.
Do you have a No9 Bayonet as well?
Found the rest of the stabby bits Zed. From top to bottom. 
No7MkI/L
1941 No4Mk1 cruciform
1961 POF No9Mk1
No4MkII Savage made 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 11:25am
Wow! I had no idea they were that complex internally.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 10 2020 at 11:34am
That's a nice sticker!


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 12 2020 at 5:24pm
nice catch - nice job - nice collection , congrats all the way around , 

shamu - i have never taken mine apart that far either so i would not have guessed that , the other no4s were much simpler 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 12 2020 at 6:24pm
There was an old B&W movie I went to with my dad back in the early 60's "The Backroom Boys" or similar.
It was a tale of the science labs behind the war effort, highly fictionalized.
One running gag they had was the 2 "boffins" inventing a new bayonet. every time they appeared it had more gadgets & more tools for more uses.
By the end of the movie it was a kind of "Swiss Army Bayonet" with all sorts of increasingly daft things.
Finally the frustrated boss sits them down & says.
"GENTLEMEN!
While it is brilliant you have to understand the average Tommy only ever uses a bayonet to open a tin of corned beef"!



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 12 2020 at 6:33pm
I popped open a can of cat food with it yesterday Big smile...


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 13 2020 at 6:30am
Tongue

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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: philtno
Date Posted: January 13 2020 at 12:03pm
Nice one!! Thumbs Up


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 13 2020 at 8:55pm
i used one on a spam can once - never cat food but might have considered corned beef 


Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: January 14 2020 at 7:22am
Not much difference in taste.

I love fresh corned beef but canned not so much, it reminds me of cat food.

My grandmother used to make me sandwiches to take to work for lunch when I was an apprentice at British Steel..
I opened my Tupperware box at the canteen table and got everybody's attention with the 'pilchard' sandwiches that could be smelt from across the room.
When I got home that night, I looked in the fridge and found an opened can of 'Sea Prime'. Small printing below on the label said 'cat food'.
Tasted not bad, but a lot of crunchy bones.

I often find bayonets at yard sales all beat up and bent from being used as tools and pry bars.

I have a P1888 bayonet sharp on one edge, hammer marks on the opposite edge from splitting kindling? There is also a Ross bayonet on my wall that has a corrosion line from where it had been stuck and left in the ground from being used as a picket for a horse. 

I did one time find a Enfield socket bayonet from a P53 at a garage sale. I paid two dollars for it because it was bent into a hook.
The seller said it was a bailing hook. But way it was formed with a downward and back bend, I knew exactly what it was. 
It was modified into what is often called a burial hook. It was used on the end of the rifle to drag cadavers across the ground and into their graves. It gave me the willies just to hold it. I got rid of it.


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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 14 2020 at 9:18am
Call me weird but I actually like canned corned beef better than from the deli. It's great for making corned beef hash with poached eggs on top. Another that I always make during hunting season is Scotch Eggs. Always save a couple of venision "Jimmy Dean" sausage meat to make up a batch.


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 14 2020 at 12:59pm
I just ate a can of Spam Wink


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 14 2020 at 1:08pm
In my part of Canada, KLIK is more popular than Spam. I think they pretty much taste the same.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 14 2020 at 3:31pm
The "Old" Libbys corned beef was good, the new stiff is meat colored mush & I can't stand it.

One of my preferred camping out meals is a pack of the dehydrated "Bear Creek Minestrone" with a chunked up can of Corned beef for some meat. It takes longer to cook than they say but this with a little less water (make a stew more than a soup) & a side of rice feeds the whole camp.
Now theres no meat just flavor as it melts completely during making the soup.
https://d2ul0w83gls0j4.cloudfront.net/products/61/300/611341.jpg


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 14 2020 at 3:50pm
That actually sounds pretty good.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 14 2020 at 4:04pm
Oh it is. Just don't believe the cooking times for minestrone. If you follow the packet instructions the carrots are like little pieces of ceiling tile, but chewier!
I go for a slow simmer of at least 45 mins.
If you like even more flavor use the
https://www.amazon.com/Iberia-Yellow-Spanish-Style-Ounce/dp/B075Q5FR9H" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/Iberia-Yellow-Spanish-Style-Ounce/dp/B075Q5FR9H


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 5:11am
To all bayonet experts... what would something like Goosics latest be worth? I ask because I see one close to me and I have know idea. It does not have a scabbard. Thanks!


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 5:21am
I've seen them go between 150-399 USD.


Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 6:30am
Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

To all bayonet experts... what would something like Goosics latest be worth? I ask because I see one close to me and I have know idea. It does not have a scabbard. Thanks!


A couple of years ago I sold one to a collector in Australia for Aus$ 500 + Shipping.

Aus$ = US$0.69


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 6:47am
Thanks guys! The gent doesn't know what they might be worth (nor do I) but you have given me a ballpark figure. I'll probably pass on it as I'm not really a bayonet guy and wouldn't want to seem like a low baller because I wouldn't want to be into it for more than $150.


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 7:24am
HT.  There were only 176,000 of them made and out of that,only 1000 produced by the Wilkinson Sword Co. Who perfected that clip point blade.
Might be worth looking into...


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 8:53am
Quick question. The bayonet has M47B on the handle and N57MMK111 on the blade near the hilt. Maybe this isn't like Goosics as it appears to have a wooden handle?


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 9:30am
Well. I took a flyer, offered a price, and he accepted. EMT on the way... like I need another addiction!


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 9:55am
HA! Addiction....you should try being a coin collector! I try and balance my two hobbies, collector coins and Lee Enfields, with some success, but sometimes they butt heads with each other and somewhere in between is my deflated bank account!

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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 9:58am
I've sent Shamu some pictures of the new sticker with hopes he'll post.


Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:01am
Originally posted by Canuck Canuck wrote:

HA! Addiction....you should try being a coin collector! I try and balance my two hobbies, collector coins and Lee Enfields, with some success, but sometimes they butt heads with each other and somewhere in between is my deflated bank account!


I am also a numismatist (it can get even more expensive than Enfielditus)

Today's news :

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-coin/rare-edward-viii-coin-bought-for-million-pounds-idUKKBN1ZG1E8" rel="nofollow - https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-coin/rare-edward-viii-coin-bought-for-million-pounds-idUKKBN1ZG1E8

LONDON (Reuters) - A rare 1937 Edward VIII sovereign coin has been bought by a private collector for 1 million pounds, making it the most expensive British coin ever.
The coin was one of six prepared by the Royal Mint when Edward became king in 1936 and was due to be mass produced for general circulation from Jan. 1 1937.
But he abdicated in December 1936 - quitting his job as king - to marry American divorcee Wallis Simpson, meaning that production was cancelled and coinage with his face on never entered circulation.


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:16am
I did read that this morning, very interesting article! I am a lifetime member of the RCNA, Royal Canadian Numismatic Ass'n.

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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:22am
Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

Quick question. The bayonet has M47B on the handle and N57MMK111 on the blade near the hilt. Maybe this isn't like Goosics as it appears to have a wooden handle?
B.S.A. Redditch, Hereford & Worchester.
It should have No7MkI/L on the blade near the hilt. L for Land Service. 
What looks like wood is resin impregnated cloth, Paxolin. Only 20,000 of these were made by B.S.A..


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:32am
Just got them, uploading now, bear with me.







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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:33am
That "wood" is the resin impregnated fabric stuff, "Paxolin" a bit like P38 Hairgrips. (I think).


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:33am
Originally posted by Canuck Canuck wrote:

HA! Addiction....you should try being a coin collector! I try and balance my two hobbies, collector coins and Lee Enfields, with some success, but sometimes they butt heads with each other and somewhere in between is my deflated bank account!
You should try collecting and restoring late 40's early 50's L.M. Cox Champion and Cameron Brothers Engineering tether cars. The fun part is when you've finished rebuilding the engine and it starts up on the first pull and that 30% nitromethane smell hits you.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:46am
Thanks for posting pic's, Shamu. Again! The fellow is shipping it today. As it's in the same province, I suspect I'll receive it next week. Have no idea what I'm going to do with it. Leave it as is? Clean it up?


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:49am
Also, I do have a picture of the blade. Obvious carbon steel patina, a spot or two of rust... price was a little more than I wanted to spend as I need a bayonet like a hole in the head.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:50am
Canuck. I am a coin collector! Loonies and toonies... then I buy beer with my collection, just to keep it fresh!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:54am
I try not to over do it when I get something like that. Blow the lint & dust out with a compressor oil liberally & wipe down with an oily rag so it doesn't rust out is about it.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 10:54am
As far as that one goes HT,I'd leave alone. Clean it as far as removing any surface rust from the blade. It is a nice looking piece...


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 11:05am
Goosic. I've used xxxx steel wool and WD40 to remove surface rust of rifle barrels before. Do you think that's to aggressive?


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 11:18am
#0000 steel wool is my best friend. I use it with Hoppes #9 solvent.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 12:36pm
I got both! Cool. I ended up paying $225. CDN (he pays for shipping) so I'm not out a whole bunch for my first ever (and hopefully last!) Bayonet!


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 12:43pm
Now you need to get the No4MkI cruciform bayonet. 😁


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 17 2020 at 12:59pm
Nope. Gonna try and go cold turkey! Gotta get this monkey off my back!


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 10:17am
Just received my "new to me" bayonet. Pretty nice! Mechanics work smooth. I was able to confirm the markings. M47B on the handle end, No7Mk1/L on the blade hilt. Unfortunately no sheath, but I knew that.ill give it a good light cleaning and oiling.


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 11:58am
I believe the sheath is the same as the No9 Bayonet. So should be easier to find than the blade.

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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 2:14pm
The sheath from a No9 and a bayonet for a No5Mk1 will work just fine.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 2:29pm
Actually, I may not have to worry about a scabbard or with being a bayonet owner. The guy I bought it off e-mailed me and asked if it was ok to give another guy my e-mail. Apparently this other guy called the day after I had purchased it. He offered me $400 CDN. It would be an ok profit, but it is pretty cool. I'm just not used to making a profit on anything I sell!


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 4:00pm
...as long as you get your money back at the least...


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 4:21pm
399.00.  365.00.   245.00.   345.0 .    
Those are the wanting prices of a few individuals for their No7MkI/L bayonets on eBay.  


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 20 2020 at 4:25pm
I've never really been someone who buys stuff to flip. I've sold a lot of things I regret selling. This may be one of them, so, I'm keeping! Goosic. I cleaned the blade up with Hoppes and steel wool. Yours seemed to come out shinier than mine. I didn't want to remove to much patina, just the surface rust. Weird thing. Mine had a real funky smell also!


Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 12:30am
Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

I cleaned the blade up with Hoppes and steel wool. Yours seemed to come out shinier than mine. I didn't want to remove to much patina,


They do seem to vary, I had to buy & sell several before I found a shiny one.
This one ended up[ as the 'keeper'.

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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 5:06am
Very nice example!


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 6:42am
High carbon blades. You can put a really sharp edge on them. Before I retired, I worked quite a bit in the US. When I was in Oklahoma, the most popular pocket knife with the guys was a Case bone handled non locking knife. It was pretty small, and had a high carbon blades. Of course I had to have one. One of the older fellows showed me he was taught to treat the new blade. He stuck it in a potato and said to leave it over night! In the morning, I pulled it out. It had a nice grey finish. When I got back home I did this to a Shrade Old Timer I had. Same result. My buddy always loved that knife and I didn't as it had a clip point, so I gave it to him. Next time I saw it he had used a buffing wheel and compound to make it look like chrome!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 8:17am
There were a lot of bayonets parkerized during service, maybe thats the difference? My '07 is parked but its such a light color you barely see it except for the difference where its worn away!


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 9:05am
Shamu. Interesting maybe. Whilst oil/steel wooling, I saw some OD green paint on the blade side of the hand guard. About 40% still green so I left it. Also. I found a scabbard on-line in Canada. He wants $50 CDN. In line, too much? Thanks!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 11:11am
If it also has the frog thats not terrible.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 21 2020 at 11:15am
Its really hard to see, look at the spine where the scabbard has abraded it & the edge where its been sharpened. The hilt was Oil Blackened too so its a 3-tone blade!



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: MJ11
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 7:22pm
Did someone say, "Corned Beef?"



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