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Topic: Identify rifle help
Posted By: canadianfireman
Subject: Identify rifle help
Date Posted: July 22 2020 at 9:44am
Could you folks help me identify this rifle, had for 40 years and never fired. Cleaned up well and will attempt to attached photo's.



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Posted By: Tonsper
Date Posted: July 23 2020 at 7:37pm
Welcome from northern BC. Where in the great white north are you?

This rifle appears to be a sporterized Lee-Enfield No1 Mk III* made by Birmingham Small Arms Co. in England at about the end of WW I. Someone has previously cut off the wood furniture which went to near the end of the barrel and removed the upper handguards. There appears to be some indication of a factory thorough repair (FTR) probably in 1944. On the bottom of the rear sight, there may be a serial number but some of these or the barrel may have been changed during the FTR. The two holes on the top of the receiver ring take it out of the collector category and into the hunting gun category. Others might have more to add but this is a start


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Posted By: canadianfireman
Date Posted: July 24 2020 at 9:39am
Thank you for your assistance. We live west of Calgary, AB. Been avid hunter and sportsman for over 45 years, still enjoy getting out. Was up in Williams Lake last week, nice country.

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Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: July 24 2020 at 3:49pm
The locals call Williams Lake 'willy's puddle', LOL. Welcome to the site, enjoy!

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Posted By: 303 Hunter
Date Posted: July 24 2020 at 6:16pm
Welcome from East Central, Alberta

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The Lee Enfield is to the Canadian north what the Winchester repeater was to the American west.   Cal Bablitz


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: July 25 2020 at 3:11pm
Welcome from Brandon, Manitoba, Canada! Nice rifle. I love Sporters!


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 27 2020 at 12:23pm
On the third photo above; of the wrist. Please can you tell us what is stamped below the III* stamp?

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 27 2020 at 5:11pm
I think I see "T.R." which would be nice!


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Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: July 28 2020 at 12:47am
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

I think I see "T.R." which would be nice!

I pretty sure that the selection process for No1 rifles was very different to that for No4's and I don't think that the TR was used on the No1T.

Mind you, I have only ever seen two No1T's (and they were Lithgows) so it may be as per the old Enfield saying, "never say never"


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 28 2020 at 6:58am
I didn't say it was I just commented on what the stamp looked like.
OK Its "FTR" with the "F very lightly struck.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 28 2020 at 11:07am
Probably FTR with a barrel date of 1944. It looks to be in nice condition for a sporter.

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 28 2020 at 12:55pm
Possibly, but with a pre 68 import stamp we'll never know for sure.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: canadianfireman
Date Posted: July 30 2020 at 8:22am
Thank you for all your assistance. The stamp appears to be T.R.

T.R.

See photo attached.





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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: July 30 2020 at 10:33am
Originally posted by canadianfireman canadianfireman wrote:

Thank you for all your assistance. The stamp appears to be T.R.

T.R.

See photo attached.



If you look closer,you can see where the R was double struck and you can just make out where the F used to be and there is a dot stamp to the left of the T as well. The sanding marks run right over the remaining letters.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 30 2020 at 3:09pm
There's a very faint mis struck "F".
Its not a bad thing BTW. Most rifles of that are are FTR, sometimes more than once!
It just means completely factory re-built to like new.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 01 2020 at 7:45pm
isnt that FR an indian mark as oppsed to the commonwealth FTR ? just asking , i got no references at hand at the moment , but i see what is being discussed as well 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 02 2020 at 10:44am
Maybe but its TR, not FR, mate. I think its just a poorly struck "FTR". If you look closely the top right end of the "F" shows up.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: The Armourer
Date Posted: August 02 2020 at 11:04am
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Maybe but its TR, not FR, mate. I think its just a poorly struck "FTR". If you look closely the top right end of the "F" shows up.

A little chalk would help, but I tend to agree FTR


Posted By: canadianfireman
Date Posted: August 04 2020 at 12:12pm
WellI have to admit that you folks surely do know your stuff! Have to ask, a brass butt plate has a hole for a cleaning device I believe, would this be a rod or a brass weight and rope? nothing there now but just curious.

Thanks again.

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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: August 04 2020 at 2:29pm
A brass oiler and a pull through is what would have been in your rifle.




Posted By: canadianfireman
Date Posted: August 04 2020 at 2:55pm
Cool, gonna have to find one of those. Thanks.

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Posted By: Sarge
Date Posted: August 04 2020 at 3:17pm
This is what your sportised SMLE would have looked like in it's military configuration.




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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 04 2020 at 3:18pm
By all means get one, but keep it as a souvenir, not a cleaner except in an emergency.
They damage muzzles really easily.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)



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