1944-Dated P37 Frog
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Topic: 1944-Dated P37 Frog
Posted By: Delican_38
Subject: 1944-Dated P37 Frog
Date Posted: July 28 2020 at 5:38pm
| A bit of a specific request here, but I am looking to purchase a 1944-dated, original Pattern 37/Lee Enfield bayonet frog from WW2. At this time I am only interested in true surplus pieces (no reproductions please) and am looking for an example that is complete (no rips or missing sections). I recently acquired a nice enfield that was made in 1944, so I am trying to gather as many "matching" accessories as possible. The item would need to be shipped to Canada, but I am more than glad to pay the associated shipping costs. Please let me know what you have and thanks for looking. |
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 29 2020 at 8:46am
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Do you want a British or a Canadian pattern one? They are slightly different. Also Bayonets, scabbards & frogs were never "matched" in British service, they were not numbered or anything either. Basically they found whatever fitted & gave that out. (Hopefully that may make your search a little easier)?
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Posted By: Delican_38
Date Posted: July 29 2020 at 8:50am
Thanks for the reply, Shamu. Ideally, I would be interested in a Canadian example, but I am also open to a British one as well. Just as long as the item is 1944-stamped, I would be content. Perhaps matching was the wrong word, but I am just trying to see if I can get everything with a 1944 date.
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Shamu wrote:Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: July 29 2020 at 11:08am
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All original and unused No4 MkII Savage made bayonet in a No4 MkI scabbard all tucked into an original P37 1943 frog. This is the frog you are referring to?
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: July 29 2020 at 11:43am
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No problem, just thought a heads up might help. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Delican_38
Date Posted: July 29 2020 at 5:29pm
This is exactly the sort of thing that I’m looking for, thanks for the picture. Now if only it was a 1944 example.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: July 29 2020 at 7:20pm
| This is only one of two examples that will sometimes have a date on it. The majority of these have no dates on them whatsoever. eBay has them listed all the time but are usually either the Canadian type or reproductions. |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 30 2020 at 11:57am
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Remember also that an infantry man would be supplied with whatever was in the stores. So in 1944; a rifle could easily have a 1943 bayonet and frog to go with it.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: July 30 2020 at 12:15pm
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Delican. We here can all appreciate a numbers matching rifle and any date matching accoutrement that may go with it. However, just as Zed has stated. The infantryman got what he got to make the system work. As long as it was capable of fitting to or working with that particular rifle,out the door it went. Do not get yourself hung up on having everything date matched. A perfect example of a non date matched rifle would be one that went through a Factory Thorough Repair, FTR. Minus the receiver (master component) and the bolt assembly, any part drawn from the parts bin,regardless of actual manufacturers date or from where it actually originated from was fitted to the rifle. The same can be said for the bayonets as well. It didn't matter the factory it originated from or when it was made. Give the man a bayonet and next gentleman in line move forward.
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 01 2020 at 8:03pm
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in 44 they would not have "matching numbers" stuff was issued as required but a canadian issue will have the C-arrow marking , |
Posted By: Delican_38
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 7:13am
| Btt please |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 9:37pm
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I did alot of footwork trying to locate a 1944 dated frog. I found 1940, 1943, 1945, 1948, 1952, and 1953 dated frogs. The 45', 48', 52', and 53' frogs were Isreal made. Check a website, http://www.worldbayonets.com" rel="nofollow - www.worldbayonets.com Cluck on the British bayonet frogs link. Not alot if any information about specific years being stamped on them. They were just an accessory that was needed. The only time a date stamp was used,it was due to the particular manufacturer who made the frog. NO more,no less...
I did manage to find one though. eBay.  |
Posted By: TomcatPC
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 12:33am
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Is that an Indian made frog? Just my gut reaction tells me this frog was made in India, still a British piece of kit, just made in India. Mark http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1937/1937_bayonet_frogs.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1937/1937_bayonet_frogs.html ------------- The .303" Cartridge, Helping Englishmen express their emotions since 1888. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 5:26am
| Regardless of manufacturer, it is original and date stamped 1944 as the original poster requested. |
Posted By: Delican_38
Date Posted: August 08 2020 at 10:29am
| Thanks, everyone, for the replies and information. I should explain that I am now only interested in a 1944-dated, Canadian-marked example and am willing to pay up to $100USD (plus shipping) for one. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: August 08 2020 at 3:28pm
| Everything I have found so far regarding the Canadian made frogs show post war manufacturering. British,Belgium,and India made however show models made between 1940 and 1953 however. I think I have a British made 1944 stamped frog. I still have to find it though... |
Posted By: Delican_38
Date Posted: August 08 2020 at 4:41pm
It seems that a few Canadian-made, or at least Canadian-marked, examples were manufactured in 1944. Here is a picture of one that a fellow collector was kind enough to share with me. They're out there somewhere, buried within all the other frogs somewhere.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: August 08 2020 at 5:30pm
This frog was on eBay. It has a Canadian Arsenal stamp and is 1944 dated.   |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: August 08 2020 at 6:58pm
I own two Long Branch No4 MkII bayonets, One with a No4 MkI scabbard and the other with a MkII scabbard. The frogs are both khaki colored but different. Both frogs are dated 1943 with two different Canadian Arsenal stamps. According to my source,both frogs are British made however...  |