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Topic: Lithgow Mark 3
Posted By: devrep
Subject: Lithgow Mark 3
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 3:01pm
is it Mark 3 or MkIII?   anyway, should a late WWII manufactured Lithgow No1Mk3 have a serial number on the magazine?   thanks.

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Posted By: BJ72
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 3:44pm
I guess if you want to be correct it's III or III* since that's the way they were marked. Magazines were never numbered on any of the Lithgow produced SMLE rifles, not even the early ones. A late WWII Lithgow SMLE would be a No1 MkIII* and it will have the serial number on the bolt, receiver, nose cap and underneath the forend near the nose cap. Rear sights, and barrels didn't have the serial number applied by late WWII production. They also stopped putting the rifle serial number on the bayonets during WWII. You will come across rifles that went through FTR in the 50's with serial numbers on the barrel etc, not all but some, but magazines were never numbered at any stage in Australian production of refurbishment.


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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 4:12pm
that is great information.  obviously I am looking at a potential purchase.  It does have serial number in the places you mention although I cannot look under the fore-end.  thank you.

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Posted By: BJ72
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 4:24pm
The forend will be marked like this if it's the original one it left the factory with.




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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 4:34pm
ah, yes it is marked there and also on the buttstock.  I thought you meant underneath the fore-end as having to remove it.

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Posted By: BJ72
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 4:41pm
If you can get some detailed photographs of the rifle and the markings on it, there's plenty of people on here who could give advice on how original it is, if that's what you're looking for.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 5:34pm
if i remember correctly austrailia went back from the mkIII* to mkIII after WWI and i suspect it will be that but never say never or always with enfields , im not a lithgow collector so i would need to see photos to be sure if what im saying is relevant to yours or not , 


Posted By: BJ72
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 7:42pm
You are correct A square, Australia reverted back to incorporating some features of the No1 Mk III in new production after WWI but it was more of a hybrid design, or mix of the two. They incorporated things such as provision for the magazine cut off but never went back to full No1 Mk III specifications. That said, by early WWII production right through to the last run in the 50's we were back to producing rifles to true Mk III* specifications and the receivers will be marked as such.


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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:37pm
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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:37pm
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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:38pm
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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:38pm
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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:40pm
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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:40pm
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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:41pm
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:49pm
then definitely a mkIII* it is , nice looking example , i would have grabbed that up back in the day when i was looking , this should serve you well and do enjoy it , 


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:53pm
thanks.  had to use the seller's photos as I won't have it in hand for a few days.  

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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 7:57pm
I was aware of the coachwood issue from my studies but went at it anyway LOL.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 8:17pm
nothing wrong with coachwood - lot of rifles served wearing it , 


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 8:27pm
there were issues in WWII with recoil damaging the draws as coachwood is not as hard as walnut.  the factory and armorer's started installing copper plates to absorb the recoil.  not sure if it's still a thing.

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Posted By: BJ72
Date Posted: November 23 2020 at 11:48pm
Looks like a fairly honest rifle from what can be seen in the photo's. There was a very short period in WWII where Lithgow stopped fitting the recoil plates in the draws. They soon went back to fitting them. If your forend is matching, which it appears to be, you would be fairly unlucky to have one without the plates fitted. Replacement forends fitted after the rifles were sold out of service is another story. As A Square said, there's nothing wrong with coach wood. If the bore is in good shape and the stock doesn't have any major cracks, I'd buy a rifle like that if I was looking. If you do make the purchase, post some detailed photographs of the markings and we should be able to tell you what they all mean.


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My idea of gun control is hitting what I aim at and nothing else.


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 24 2020 at 3:23am
thanks.  I did make the purchase but it's a process to get the rifle in hand.  send payment, seller ships to my FFL, apply to ATF and go thru Florida's 3 day waiting period.  bad enough but soon to get worse after our disastrous election.  probably not a great time to be buying firearms in the USA.  they are already talking confiscation on the "news".

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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 24 2020 at 11:58am
That looks like a nice example to have in your collection. 
I doubt that you will have problems with confiscation with the next gouvernment; I don't think they are that stupid.  It would be the 2nd American Civil war if they did. 
I expect it's more scare mongering from people who want anarchy!


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: November 24 2020 at 1:28pm
Isn’t Biden putting Bozo/Beto O’Rourke in the job to grab all the “assault rifles”?  

Hard to say what might happen with the Dems in power in all three branches of Government, and that will happen if the two republican senators from GA loose in the runoff election.  All the sudden a lot of  leaning people want to move to GA.  Or maybe just mail in a bunch of ballots....


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 24 2020 at 1:32pm
Yes he's both said that a repeated it.
But Beato is actively saying "he!! yes! kick down your door & come & take them"!
Biden (so far) only wants to tax & register them all to make Beto's job easier later.


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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 24 2020 at 2:55pm
but here's the thing.  biden won't be president long, he has dementia as anyone can see.  harris is a radical and will be getting leaned on heavily by the rest of the marxists in the "party".   it's not going to be pretty.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 24 2020 at 7:26pm
i see the same as you do coming , it will be in the future for now ,we are living in interesting times 


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 6:09am
devrep is right on that.  That’s our real threat.  Old Joe is much more tempered, but clearly is having trouble, I wouldn’t be surprised if Harris pulls off the 25th Amendment claim and replaces him before the end of his term.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 7:11am
I'm betting it w ill be ASAP after he's actually Inaugurated.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 8:36am
Only then can you start enjoying life under a socialist communist as we are currently in Canada under Trudeau government.


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 10:06am
my Dad was a WWII submariner in the pacific and a virulent anti communist.  he told me this was coming from the time I was a child.  it just took longer than he thought it would.  #1 rule he taught us:

there is only one difference between a socialist and a marxist/communist.  marxists take power thru violent revolution.  socialists take power thru control of the vote.  the end result is the same.  oppressive control by the state (the state is the privileged few at the top), suppression or imprisonment and execution of dissenters.  

the socialists got control of the vote by taking over our schools and universities and brain washing children  this started in the 50's and has reached a crescendo.  


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 10:53am
Originally posted by devrep devrep wrote:


the socialists got control of the vote by taking over our schools and universities and brain washing children  this started in the 50's and has reached a crescendo.  

That’s exactly what has happened. 


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 10:55am
It seems a shame to me that in a country that is one of the founders of the free world; you can only be President if your a millionaire supported by other millionaires money. 
Surely the best person for the job would be some honest, well balanced and well educated ordinary person; that's more intereseted in the welfare of the people instead of lining their own pockets.
But unfortunately it seems politicians are the same all over planet.


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 11:38am
Of course.  It’s all about power, imposing your will on everyone else.  And helping out your elitist buddies...


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 11:56am
Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Originally posted by devrep devrep wrote:


the socialists got control of the vote by taking over our schools and universities and brain washing children  this started in the 50's and has reached a crescendo.  

That’s exactly what has happened. 
here is a good example.  my ultra conservative parents raised 4 children.  3 of them went to university.  3 of the 4 are now ultra liberals with 1 being an outright marxist.  if my brother weren't an old man now he would be marching with antifa.

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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 1:43pm
cool,  my Lithgow just shipped to my FFL.  he should have it in a few days.  then I have to wait some more.  :(            very excited.  

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 25 2020 at 3:07pm
That was the original idea. Its why the qualifications are so minimal, over 34 yrs old & a "Native born"!


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 10:49am
Glad to hear your Lithgow is on the way! 

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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 8:04pm
tracking says it spent turkey day in punta gorda florida.  that's only 2 hours from me but is scheduled for monday delivery to my FFL.  and then 3 days wait to make the liberals feel good.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 26 2020 at 10:29pm
congrats - hope it all goes well next week , 


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 27 2020 at 9:21am
post office tried to deliver it this morning and of course the FFL was closed for the holiday weekend.  that means they will try again tomorrow and end up delivering it monday.  sigh.  2 extra times getting thrown around in and out of a mail truck.

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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: November 27 2020 at 9:40am
I hope they packed it real well... I've had firearms delivered from Canada Post and Perolator that have been damaged, but as a rule, most reputable sellers know this and ship accordingly.


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 28 2020 at 10:45am
wow.  just wow.  got the call from my FFL this am.  it's not often that something far exceeds my expectations.  just stunning.  one pleasant surprise was that the finish is far darker than the photos from the seller.  somehow I have to wait till thursday now to see it again.

sounds like I just met a beautiful woman.  (:


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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 3:17pm
Hate to bust your bubble, but you didn't... a Lee Enfield will never break your heart.


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 3:19pm
.Smile

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 29 2020 at 5:30pm
Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

It seems a shame to me that in a country that is one of the founders of the free world; you can only be President if your a millionaire supported by other millionaires money. 
Surely the best person for the job would be some honest, well balanced and well educated ordinary person; that's more intereseted in the welfare of the people instead of lining their own pockets.
But unfortunately it seems politicians are the same all over planet.

you have to remember that trump took nothing from his experience here - he lost more , spent more , and donated his income to whatever cause they selected - he took no income form this position as we were founded , he is a patriot in my book , no matter what the left has said - i bet no democrat has ever done that or ever will , he will come out poorer than when he went in , no other president in recent history [at least my lifetime] can claim that , he was all about a better country - not a socialist one , 

ill edit this to say he took all of their chit and got no reward , he did expose the media for what they have become , we shall see what that realizes in the future , 

ill edit again to add that we already know what biden will take from this mess , he has already shown that and no-one has called him on it yet , trump held back on that too , so far ........

wonder who [on this globe] will hold china responsible for the virus ???????????????


Posted By: smerdon42
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 2:27pm
hey all take a look at the home country  of the Lithgow they have multiple times told China to go pound sand . They have told us they won’t buy beef of iron ore we said sounds good . Now there is cheaper meat for Aussies . Also they have stopped buying our coal all,good for us we can sell it somewhere else . Australia signed a military agreement with Japan first time ever most of Asia will do what they need to make it hard for them. We also need to look  at their population they will lose about 300 million people through natural causes in the next 20 years India will be the next one in line for control.


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 3:48pm
smerdon, agree with you about china.  didn't your country take a hard line against firearm ownership?  can you tell us what the rules are down there?

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Posted By: smerdon42
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 5:07pm
decrepit as I live here in USA now , my view won gun ownership is a little different , I think that there should be some limitations ie medical evaluations on people fitness to own and certified security of the weapons . This will not affect the 99 % of gun owners who follow the rules . We should also be a gun club member and  in order to maintain your licence  and actively shoot each year. This is a basic requirement in Australia even under a collector licence .would go a long way here to help with those who don’t do the right thing . Australia took away the need for semi auto weapons unless you need for employment ie professional hunter security etc we also do not see a lot of handgun licenses as it is much harder to get .


Posted By: BJ72
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 6:43pm
I still live in Australia devrep. We lost a lot of rights after 1996 when mandatory licensing and firearms registration became compulsory across the country. Each state is responsible for managing their own firearms laws but all states signed up to the National Firearms Agreement which was meant to bring about some consistency. In short, all semi auto's rifles and shotguns as well as pump action shotguns were banned. For some reason we were allowed to keep pump action rifles, so go figure. Farmers can access semi auto rim fire rifles and pump or semi auto shotguns with restrictions on mag capacity. Lever action shot guns have recently been limited to a mag capacity of 5. Generally the only people allowed to own handguns are club member who have to comply with attendance requirements each year depending on how many types of handguns they own. You have to apply for and be granted a permit to purchase every firearm, so no walking into the gun store and walking out with a new rifle, not even a $25 air rifle. I could sit here and write pages of info on all the different laws and exemptions for a select few people but that would just be boring. I'm not against licensing per say but registration is what I really dislike. As a current law enforcement officer, I see the inner workings of the system and I don't believe registration does anything to help keep our community safe. If you're considered fit to have a firearms license, that should be it. Present your license when required, that's wheat we had in the state of Queensland before 1996. There is always constant pressure from certain elements to restrict our access to firearms even more. Protect your rights people because every right taken away from you is just one of many some would like to see taken.


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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 6:48pm
well that sucks and we are surely going to be up against the same thing soon.  thanks for your input.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 9:04pm
we still have our second for now - in spite of those that want to restrict us - the only thing keeping us free from tyranny is the fact we can protect ourselves , 

based on pure crime statistics i like it here - i still have a chance to defend myself , and all over the world 911 or whatever you call it will be too late , 

you may not like us but we have proved , over generations , to be there for not just ourselves but the rest of the world as well , do not preach to us of our lifestyle - it has kept a significant portion of the globe free for a long time , 


Posted By: smerdon42
Date Posted: December 02 2020 at 2:18pm
bj79 , I was in NSW last year asking how to get a licence for NSW and I have to live there ie residence which I have . But can’t apply until there permanently .I know I will have to ship my beloved Lithgow collection back to a gun store for storage until my licence is approved .


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: December 02 2020 at 2:25pm
speaking of Lithgow's, will finally have mine tomorrow!  

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Posted By: BJ72
Date Posted: December 02 2020 at 2:53pm
Glad to hear she's on her way devrep Thumbs Up.  We'll be waiting for your full report, and more photos please.

I don't envy your position smerdon. There can be quite lengthy delays between submitting your license application and receiving it as well. It may take a while but I hope you get them all home safe.

I hope you didn't think I was preaching at you or your country A Square. I was just saying what we have to put up with over here. If anything I'm a bit envious of what you guys still have. I can still remember when anyone of age could purchase a firearm in this country without questions being asked. I was just a young apprentice back then. Wish I could go back to that time, life was so much simpler.


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Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: December 02 2020 at 3:29pm
Originally posted by BJ72 BJ72 wrote:

Glad to hear she's on her way devrep Thumbs Up.  We'll be waiting for your full report, and more photos please.

I don't envy your position smerdon. There can be quite lengthy delays between submitting your license application and receiving it as well. It may take a while but I hope you get them all home safe.

I hope you didn't think I was preaching at you or your country A Square. I was just saying what we have to put up with over here. If anything I'm a bit envious of what you guys still have. I can still remember when anyone of age could purchase a firearm in this country without questions being asked. I was just a young apprentice back then. Wish I could go back to that time, life was so much simpler.
guns been here at my FFL since saturday.  florida has a 3 day waiting period and they don't count weekends so wait started monday.  sucks.

hate to hear about the PC crap that took over Australia.  always thought of Australia as the wild west and now the liberals have taken over.  I am starting to hate liberals.  even though many of my friends and all of my siblings are them.  at least all 3 of my grown children and my 5 grand children are still conservative.


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Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: December 02 2020 at 9:29pm
Great gun devrep.  Hope you have had a chance to shoot it.  where did you find it as I am looking and seemed to miss this one.  

My prediction - Joe steps down on February 1 2023, this way Kamala finishes his term (2 years) and by law can still run for two full terms - 10 years of kamala.  Kamala is Obama's chosen one.

Regulations restrict the honest people.  I enjoy hunting, plinking on my friends farm, and planing for my next hunting trip, just like 99.9% of other gun owners!


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