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Topic: Heinz 57 variety
Posted By: klondike
Subject: Heinz 57 variety
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 5:38am
This is my last rescue ,that I have been working on.
It was sporterized by some misfit.
And I have been trying to bring it back to it's glory days as a military rifle. Don't know if you can make out some of the information. No 4 MK- I 1943.
I've shot it, haven't done any serious bench shooting.
Just have a 5 round magazine. For it, looking for an original magazine.
What can you tell me about it.?



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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 7:14am
I think its a Maltby. The alloy ZAMAC buttplate is unusual.
Does the 5-round mag say "made in Japan" on it? Or "Golden State Arms"
If so thats a nice collectable magazine of good quality.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 7:30am
Shamu is correct.  That is a Maltby made Enfield.  The five round magazines does look like a Santa Fe magazine as well. Very nice looking rifle you have.


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 7:48am
Magazine says Japan. Iam looking for a mag.
The wood all came from a friend on another site. It was to beet up for him to use ,on his project. I like all the battle scars. Iam sure it's earned every one of them.


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 7:51am
Nice Maltby made rifle! It looks to have the 'Ishapore' transverse screw forward of the magazine. The 5-round magazine is very desirable these days, I would hang on to it but if you want a 10-round magazine they are available with some searching.

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Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 7:55am
We use to have a big gun show fairly close by, I have bought parts there before, but iam sure they won't be having it this year.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 7:59am
definitely a maltby , be sure bear sees this , should make a nice rifle 


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:01am
Originally posted by klondike klondike wrote:

Magazine says Japan. Iam looking for a mag.
The wood all came from a friend on another site. It was to beet up for him to use ,on his project. I like all the battle scars. Iam sure it's earned every one of them.
That little made in the Land of The Devine Wind magazine is a small pot of gold nowadays. The 10 round No4 magazine is always for sale or auction on eBay and Numrich Gun Parts has the reproduction version of the No4 as well.  Those need to be tinkered with to get them to feed properly however...


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:14am
I have a brass but plate on the sporterized wood that came with the rifle, but I got this pot metal but plate from some were, and don't know what belongs on the maltby from 1943 ?


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:15am
Brass


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:24am
That's easy enough to swap them out, thanks


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:27am
yes , maltby used brass - the mazak/zamak were on the north americans 


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:47am
Just got a mag off ebay, an original. With this virus
Going around, I know I won't find a gun show.


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 8:53am
Hopefully you did not just spend $125.00 USD on the original and unissued Savage No4 mag that was listed.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 9:40am
Originally posted by klondike klondike wrote:

Just got a mag off ebay, an original. With this virus
Going around, I know I won't find a gun show.

yes , not likely to see a gunshow till spring unless we get lucky - but i fear they may be squashed for a lot longer than that even , 




Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 04 2020 at 1:49pm
Nope, but it was pricey, and used. 75.


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 4:57am
Now I have another dilemma the brass butt plate I have is smaller than the pot mettle butt plate, can't swap them.?


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 5:13am
The brass butt plate has an F stamped in the back
The pot mettle one ,I didn't see any mark.taking a quick look.


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 5:20am
And the stock is stamped FR.
How many different size stocks & butt plates are there?


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 8:31am
Long, Normal, Short. You may encounter a Bantam length but those are extremely rare on a No4 rifle. The brass buttplate you have may have been on a sporterized buttstoxk and reshaped to fit. I have five spare buttplates of various manufacturers and they are all the same size. The buttplate on the far left and second one in from the right are unissued to show a comparison between new and used.


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 8:47am
The stocks will be marked with either a;
L=Long
N or no mark=Normal
S=Short
B=Bantam ( Extremely rare on a No4 buttstock.)
The stamp would typically be found on the upper portion of the buttstock near the buttplate. 


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 9:10am
Thanks for your info. I just came back from my favorite gun shop, the gun Smith there says he has 4 or 5 back at his shop, that he's going to bring in next week for me to try.


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 11:07am
Being today is cold damp and raining. Iam giving this rifle it's 3 scrubbing, trying to get a clean patch out of the barrel, iam not even close.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 11:33am
It takes a while if it hasn't been done in a long time.
I don't try to get it all at once.

1 X dry patch, 3 X wet with your preferred cleaner.
Let stand, muzzle down, as long as its recommended, no more.
3 dry followed by 3 wet patches.
Repeat as needed.
I use M-Pro-7 copper remover, or Hoppes "Elite" (same thing) let stand overnight.
The trick is to not over scrub the bore which can be harmful! Instead let the chemistry in the solvents just eat it out.



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 12:17pm
Will give it a try, thanks


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 2:44pm
I've had to do it for 14 days or more. But as it only takes 5 minutes a day its not as bad as it sounds. Beer


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 05 2020 at 7:37pm
well worth the effort and yes a process , we have the time - do it right 


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 06 2020 at 5:26am
Using a bronze brush will help loosen hardened powder fouling.  Clean from breech end, push brush all the way out the muzzle, then pull rod back until the brush is in the chamber.  Do not reverse the brush in the bore.  5 to 10 passes with the brush will remove a lot of gunk.  Follow with a few wet patches and let soak. 

You can let Hoppes soak indefinitely.  For cleaning a barrel hat has sat fouled for years, I’ll patch/brush twice a day and let it soak in between using Hoppes 9.  Then once patches come out clean, I’ll check for copper fouling with Boretech Eliminator.  

I’m a big fan of the Parker Hale style jags for cleaning (although can’t be used with Eliminator, it will eat the brass). 





Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 06 2020 at 5:32am
Thanks guy's, iam letting it soak, looks like someone shot ammo that was corrosive in it at one time, I can see some pitting


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 06 2020 at 5:35am
Thanks guy's, iam letting it soak, looks like someone shot ammo that was corrosive in it at one time, I can see some pitting , my wife has a cow when I get the copper bore cleaner stuff out, she comes running in my room WHAT STINKS.


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 06 2020 at 6:03am
Aughhhh, then she will appreciate it if you get some Boretech Eliminator.  No smell whatsoever, awesome stuff...

Hoppes 9 will devolve the copper slowly, might take a week.  Boretech does it in about 10 minutes.  



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 06 2020 at 9:23am
The M-pro/ Hoppes Elite is stink-free too.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 4:06am
My new magazine should be coming in wen's. That should be a perfect fit, I hope.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 6:05am
They sometimes need a little minor tweaking for the individual action, so don't be concerned if its not perfect right off the bat.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 13 2020 at 2:00pm
The gun Smith forgot to bring his butt plates in, for me to checkout. And my new mag hasn't come in yet. Should have been here Friday. So iam not doing so good.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 13 2020 at 2:07pm
Between corona & Christmas rush both UPS & the USPS are screaming "delay" on a lot of stuff.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 18 2020 at 12:46pm
Well it only took 4 weeks to come priority.
But it fits, and works, as slick as butter.


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: December 18 2020 at 1:03pm
It is a nice looking Maltby. Could you post some pictures of the inspections marks on the front left of the receiver and the stamps on the wrist under the trigger guard?


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 18 2020 at 2:46pm
Don't know if you can make them out?


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: December 18 2020 at 3:26pm
Those stamps aren't always the best to begin with so it's not unusual for them to be unreadable but I always have to ask. Thank you for posting the additional pictures to satisfy my curiosity.


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 27 2020 at 12:12pm
Now iam still waiting to hook up with my gun Smith
That has 4 or 5 butt plates, brass ones. To replace my incorrect one.


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 10:32am
Guess, finding a butt plate ,is becoming a challenge.
My gun Smith has been forgetting to bring them to the gun shop he works at on Saturdays. Then he went to Maine for a while. I just called to remind him to bring the butt plates tomorrow, he's not going to be there, he thinks he's got the Chinese virus.
Can't win.!!


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 11:10am
Well I just checked the weather for tomorrow.
It's looking better than right now. Now the hight temperature for today is 27 degrees feels like 18 degrees with the breeze.
I just put my butt plate back on this rifle, stuck my new magazine in it. Hope to go to the range tomorrow
Hight temperature 30, don't know about the wind, try out the magazine, and see if this thing will group anywhere. Just tore my range bag apart looking for my
Sight adjustment tool, finely found it.
So I should be all set.


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 11:21am
Just added a decal from the USA Shooting Team


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 11:37am
Originally posted by klondike klondike wrote:

Guess, finding a butt plate ,is becoming a challenge.
My gun Smith has been forgetting to bring them to the gun shop he works at on Saturdays. Then he went to Maine for a while. I just called to remind him to bring the butt plates tomorrow, he's not going to be there, he thinks he's got the Chinese virus.
Can't win.!!

I have spares. I will PM you shortly...


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 1:07pm
Klondike;

Is that sight adjustment tool generic, or is it for 1 particular model?
I can't tell by the pic.

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Loose wimmen tightened here


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 1:41pm
It's a custom made tool, by Elby custom services
For the Lee Enfield #4


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 09 2021 at 2:47pm
Never got out of the 20's today and it was very breezy.
Not going to the range in that weather. I would not make a good polar ranger.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 09 2021 at 10:50pm
me either - my hands turn white in moments of exposure and i cannot feel my fingers or toes , one might ask why i stay in this climate  - yup im asking it myself , my grandkids so far 

i am thinking i may leave it and never look back , between the winters and the politics , nothing is that good except the summer fishing that i might miss , but the i might like fishing south where i could still feel my fingers year round , im getting real close ........even if the rest of the family disagrees 


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 09 2021 at 11:11pm
Big  Blue Gill, Crappies, Large and Small Mouth Bass, Huge Catfish, Pikes,  and Rainbow Trout throughout the state of Arizona. Record size Catfish have been caught up and down the whole length of the Colorado River from Lee's Ferry down to Parker Arizona. 


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 3:45am
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 4:15am
A square 10, you should come on down to GA, we need more people like you here! Good trout fishing in north GA. 




Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 12:51pm
A Square 10. 
Everyone has 2 lives; and the second one starts the moment you realise that we only have one!

So move to better climates if you want to!


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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 2:53pm
I think I'm on my 5th!



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 4:16pm
I have used up three plus in the Army, two lives with each of my ex wifes.

I am on my sixth, or more,  and loving it,

Thank you all for being my friends.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 4:27pm
ill second that , thank you my friends for being my friends , 

im seriously lobbying my wife that i love dearly , i too am on my third and finally got a good one , im not closed minded at all about where i go but i hope to live long enough to live somewhere else , nothing happens quickly in my household but change is not a new thing here , for now im working on it , 

my wife has the idea that we should live in a mobile mode and move a bit more than my heart might desire - she likes being mobile , while i dont disagree we have not yet found the proper combination to make such a thing work , ill keep looking at this and other options , 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 8:58pm
I bin single since 2009. Alotta wimmen past by since then.(That happens when yer a Sex God).
One finally found me..& she live right by. (Funny how they move right in)
Now my shower stall has all these bottles standin in the corners, & some woman tellin me how I should renovate.
Long as she dont wanna "improve" on my shootin iron storages..I guess I'm good w/it.
)But she snores! )

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Loose wimmen tightened here


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 11:47am
Took my maltby to the range, for a check to see if it could to holes on the same target.
32 degrees out 5- 10 mph winds
Only posted target at 45 yds.
Had 3 ppu 174 gr she!!s
Had 1/2 box of new rem.180 gr rn .
Made no sight adjustment, to cold to mess around.
Got the last 5 rounds pretty close. I think she will be ok. On a much nicer day. This furniture has lots of battle scars, that's whyI like it.[IMG]uploads/5006/20210113_122302_2021-01-13_19-45-08.


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 12:40pm
Going to get my sight adjustment tool out and tweak the front sight over, so next trip we start off closer.


Posted By: Sinnlover
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 1:01pm
I made a slight adjustment tool out of an old screwdriver, I chopped the end off with a dremel and then created the slot with a thicker cutting disk. 
Works perfectly and I still have all my fingers, I made one for my father as well. 


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 3:45pm
Cool


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 11:19am
Need a taller front site, or good idea how to make a taller front site. Mine now is a .355. Have 3 other sites, all shorter.


Posted By: devrep
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 12:03pm
nice looking rifle.  does that one have walnut furniture?

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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 12:33pm
Klondike, what rear sight do you have on your Maltby? It looks like the 300/600 yard battle sight.
It would be worth trying to get the adjustable "Singer" type sight.

I'll be trying out my 1944 Maltby when I can get to the 200 metre range. Covid is not making it easy at the moment.


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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 2:38pm
Yes walnut


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 2:41pm
Yes the 3&6.
Till I find one ,I am making a taller site out of one of the short ones I have.



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