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Topic: Enfield-Rifles Forum Virtual Match
Posted By: britrifles
Subject: Enfield-Rifles Forum Virtual Match
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 1:44pm
Edits/Revisions:

14 Jan 2021 added Ishapore 7.62 and L8 series rifles (and equivalent) to Class 1 Service Rifle.  Allow sitting at bench unsupported for Service Rifle Class and .22 Trainer Class.  Clarified types of iron sights allowed. 

3 Jan 2021 added scoring method

31 Dec 2020 added a Third Class, .22 Trainers

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In this post I will kickoff the Enfield Rifles Forum Virtual Match.  Those who are willing and interested will have a friendly match and submit photos of your target to this Topic.  

The goal of the match is to encourage our members to get out and shoot your Lee Enfield rifles.  There are no awards given other than your own personal satisfaction of doing your best and enjoying these rifles at the range.

I would like to keep the match Rules as informal as possible. I propose three classes of rifles:

1.  Lee Enfield Service Rifle
     Any Lee Enfield in .303 Calibre including Sporters
     Ishapore 2A rifles in 7.62, L8 series rifles or equivalent with standard service weight barrel in 7.62.
     Iron sights only (including target type aperture sights with no magnification).
     Shot prone unsupported (no sandbags or rests, sling is allowed).  
     Sitting at a bench (no support under rifle, off the elbows) also allowed for those who have trouble shooting prone or range does not accommodate prone position.  

2.  Lee Enfield “Unlimited” 
     Any Lee Enfield rifle including Sporters, (T) Rifles and L39/L42, Envoy, Enforcer.
     Any sight (including scopes).  
     Shot in any position including off bench with support under rifle. 

3.  Lee Enfield .22 Trainer
     Any Lee Enfield rifle chambered for .22 Long Rifle (original or conversions)
     Iron sights only (including target type aperture sights with no magnification).
     Shot Prone unsupported (no sandbags or rests, sling is allowed). 
     Sitting at a bench (no support under rifle, off the elbows) also allowed for those who have trouble shooting prone or range does not accommodate prone position. 

For the first match I propose to keep this as simple as possible.  For Class 1 and Class 2 Full Bore, 10 shots on a NRA Short Range (SR) target at 200 yards (or meters), or on a NRA SR-1 target at 100 Yards (or meters).  

To help you identify if you have the correct target for the Class 1 and Class 2 Full Bore rifles, the diameter of the scoring rings “in black” are as follows:

SR Target at 200 Yards

X ring   3.0 inches
10 ring 7.0 inches
9 ring 13.0 inches

SR-1 Target at 100 Yards

X ring   1.35 inches
10 ring 3.35 inches
9 ring   6.35 inches

For Class 3 Rifles, the NRA SR Target reduced to 50 yards (for .22 Rimfire only) shall be used.  This target is available online for printing at http://www.ray-vin.com. " rel="nofollow - www.ray-vin.com. 

Scoring

The target must only have ten shots.  Sighting in the rifle must be done on a different target, no target pasters should be on the target you submit for score.  Score your own target and provide the value including the number of hits in the X ring, example, 97-3x.   

NRA scoring rules will apply, if the bullet hole touches the score ring, the value of that ring applies, see figure below:



I realize that it may be some time before many of us can get to a range because of COVID or winter weather.  There is no timeline here, I’m suggesting we leave this open for submitting Target photos thru the end of 2021.  That might encourage more of you to work and improve your scores.  

Please respond if you are interested.  I’m open to suggestions too, but let’s try and keep this simple. 





Replies:
Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 2:22pm
I am all for this! Love the idea. This will give me some motivation to get out and fire the ol' gals a bit.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 2:25pm
Question. Iron sights for Lee Enfield Service rifle. Does that include something like a P-H aperture sight?


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 2:43pm
HT, yes, I’m including the target type aperture sights in the Service Rifle class. Like the old UK NRA SR(b) Rules allowed. 

 I thought about which rifle class they would be more appropriate for and decided they are closer to the service sights on No. 4 rifles than they are to scopes.  They really don’t provide any advantage over the No. 4 Mk 1 service sight at 100 or 200 yards.  They do put the No. 1 rifle on more even footing with the No. 4 Rifle.  

I’m expecting that our shooters will identify the rifle they are shooting along with the type of sighting.  A photo of the rifle is suggested.  




Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 2:49pm
Can I submit the target i shot at this morning with my Unlimited Class Enfield? I posted the photos earlier today on the 7.62 Enfield section. It is the 12"×18" Dirty Bird target...


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 2:53pm
Targets available here in small quantities for just $5.00 Hug
https://tjtarget.com/product/black-sr-1-rifle-targets-100-yard/



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 3:28pm
Gossic, I want to be as accommodating as possible, and therefore I won’t say no. 

However, if we want to be able to compare our scores against each other, we have to use the same target.  You had a photo of a SR-1 target next to the Dirty Bird, can you reshoot your 7.62 conversion on that SR-1 target?  I’m suggesting we leave this “event” open for all of 2021 and at the end of the year, give recognition to the top scores of each Rifle Class.  If this catches on, we can continue this each year. 




Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 3:30pm
Thumbs Up
Hopefully I'll actually get to a range which is open this year!


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Gossic, I want to be as accommodating as possible, and therefore I won’t say no. 

However, if we want to be able to compare our scores against each other, we have to use the same target.  You had a photo of a SR-1 target next to the Dirty Bird, can you reshoot your 7.62 conversion on that SR-1 target?  I’m suggesting we leave this “event” open for all of 2021 and at the end of the year, give recognition to the top scores of each Rifle Class.  If this catches on, we can continue this each year. 


 
I have another reservation for next Wednesday and I get three free SR-1 targets everytime I show up so, yes I can reshoot it.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 4:29pm
It'll be several months till I can post results as winter has hit us pretty good. Sounds fun!


Posted By: Doco Overboard
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 4:37pm
I don't know how well I do but sounds like fun.
Ill have to get some targets together, weather's not bad around here.


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: December 30 2020 at 10:27pm
This is a great idea! I'm in when I can get back to the range.
One suggestion! How about a 50 metre or 50 yard target for the .22 trainer's! using the C50 type target.



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Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 3:21am
I'm in for the match

There is a SR target  reduced to 50 yards available online as a download (should be able to tweek it to 50 meters) I have used it to practice offhand with my 22


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Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 4:41am
This sounds fun, but unfortunately the club I belong to has shut down the ranges again because of the Ontario lock down, tentatively in effect for the next 28days.



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shoot em if you got em


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 5:23am
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 6:08am
Zed, I like your suggestion.  

I have edited the first post to add a .22 Trainer Class.  

Glad to see the interest building up.  


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 6:39am
Zed, for now, I’ve decided on using the .22 Rimfire 50 yard Reduced SR Target.  This will put all three Rifle Classes using the same target and all scores will be directly comparable.  

The SR Target is not very challenging in the prone position (the SR target is really intended for Standing Slow Fire and Sitting Rapid Fire), however, for relatively inexperienced shooters, it gives them an achievable goal to shoot a “clean” score (100 points with a high X ring count).  Someone like you may be able to shoot 100-10x on this target.  If it becomes to easy, we can change the target to the NRA MR target reduced to 50 yards (also available on the ray-vin web site for printing.  If you shoot 100-10x on that, you need to be on the Olympic Team!


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 11:48am
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 12:26pm
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 1:08pm
Goosic, PH5C is fine for the .22 Trainer class.  Does the optic have any magnification or is it just focus? If it has magnification, can you set it to 1x power or remove it and install the disc aperture? 

The .303 Long Branch with scope would be fine for the “unlimited” class.  

I’ve tried to keep the Class definitions broad and inclusive enough such that almost any Lee Enfield rifle can be used.  The intent of the Class 1 Service Rifle is for those rifles that are essentially close to the “as issued” configuration with allowance for aperture sights such as the PH and AJ Parker and shot prone as they were in Service Rifle Matches.  Rifles with scopes can be shot off the bench under Class 2 Unlimited.

Handloads are allowed for Class 1 and 2.  

If there are several members wanting to have a scoped .22 Class, we can do that too...






Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 1:16pm
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 2:12pm
Goosic, I want to be accommodating, but also don’t want to give some an unfair advantage.  Perhaps a .22 scoped class is in order if there are a few others with scoped .22 Trainers. I’m sure I’ve seen one or two others with a scoped .22.  But then, a 1.5x power is at a serious disadvantage from a 15 or 20x scope!  Do you have another PH5C you can fit?  Swap out the windage arm?  We will figure something out here...

I will probably shoot my CNo. 7 Trainer, it has the original rear sight which is windage adjustable. I need to find a 50 yard range....








Posted By: Doco Overboard
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 2:49pm
Im going to shoot the SR-1 target because I can get twice as many targets for the same cost. Over at the club somebody locked up the target cabinet and they're holding the key in secret or something.

When I ordered them I got the same amount of black pasters as I did buff. Ill have a life long supply of black pasters if anything at all.

Im going to use either a no 4 or a no1 mkIII


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: December 31 2020 at 4:28pm
I'll have to find some of those targets, for the sr1 .
I'll use my US property Parker Hale.
Should be fun.
Just ordered 3 packs of the targets on ebay.
Now all I need is a mat to lay on and a spotter
I don't think using Match grade bullets is going to help
My 72 year old eyes. Pretty sure iam going to have to change my front site, to a taller one, I have a assortment to choose from.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 10:42am
Try here for targets:
https://tjtarget.com/product/black-sr-1-rifle-targets-100-yard/" rel="nofollow - https://tjtarget.com/product/black-sr-1-rifle-targets-100-yard/





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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 01 2021 at 12:48pm
Thanks, but I ordered 3 packages from a guy on ebay already.


Posted By: RayR
Date Posted: January 02 2021 at 5:36am
I like this concept and the different catagories.

I'll be shooting my No. 4 MK I in the unlimited class.
 
I'll probably be shooting it this summer once it's back from the gunsmiths shop.


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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 02 2021 at 6:09am
britrifles... another question. In the "unlimited class" shooting off a bench is allowed. Does that include sandbags/rest? Thanks!


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 02 2021 at 9:35am
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 02 2021 at 11:31am
HT, yes, the Unlimited Class is intended to allow you to shoot supported off the bench.  So, a rest and a sandbag under the butt is allowed.  

Goosic, setting the optic at 1x will be fine, that “is in the spirit” of the rules for no magnification for shooting the Service Rifle class.  However, if your SR-1 Target scoring ring diameters are as I provided in the first post, that is a target intended for 100 yards.  You can find SR Target reduced for 50 Yards on the Ray Vin website and can print that for free, it will be approx half the size of the NRA SR-1 target. 






Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 6:33am
I’ve updated the first post to include how to score your target.  We will use NRA/CMP rules for scoring, if the bullet hole touches or breaks the scoring ring, the value of that ring applies.  



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 9:24am
Thanks, I'd wondered about that. Inward scoring it is then.
(time to rush out & buy one of those cute little magnifiers on a .30' pointy thing then.)Clap
http://www.champchoice.com/IMAGES_PRODUCT/13322M_XL.JPG


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 9:55am
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 10:40am
No problem here.
When I first started getting scores from U.S. matches I couldn't believe the scores.
Then it dawned on me they were inside scoring, we were outside scoring!
Its amazing how much difference it makes! Re score some old targets if you don't believe me.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 11:02am
When practicing or just shooting for fun; I generally score low. That is to say; if the majority of the bullet is in the lower number, that's what I'll count. That way; when competing, you won't be disappointed! 
However when using the 10m air rifle targets, the hole is always in more that one score so score the highest broken line.


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 03 2021 at 12:03pm
No problem at all Goosic, I expect you will be able to keep all ten shots well within the X ring of the SR target (1.5 MOA).  

I had to pick the US NRA method as this is how the electronic scoring system is set up at the range I shoot at.  


Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 04 2021 at 10:35am
Got another missing peace. Found a workout mat at walmarts, to put on the ground, now waiting on my targets.


Posted By: David Scott
Date Posted: January 05 2021 at 11:29am

Enfield-Rifles Forum Virtual Match

My attempt at the virtual match. I must confess that I shot it unsupported, at 50 metres, with SR reduced for 50 yrds targets, but I used a sitting position. We got 60 cm of snow the week before so a prone position was a bit messy. I was shooting my Lee Enfield Canadian No. 7 and Lee Enfield No. 8. The No. 7 is as issued, the No. 8 has a diopter sight set up. T'was all good fun until my trigger finger got cold.


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 05 2021 at 1:37pm
Very nice!

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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 05 2021 at 1:40pm
Gents, here is our first participant for Class 3 Lee Enfield .22 Trainers.   And a very good result, particularly because it was shot in the sitting position.  

Looks to me that both scored 99, but I can’t tell how many are in the X ring for the No. 8 rifle, looks like at least 4x.  The No. 7 also looks like a 99-4x.  




Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 05 2021 at 2:01pm
Well done Sir, Nice Job.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 05 2021 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Gents, here is our first participant for Class 3 Lee Enfield .22 Trainers.   And a very good result, particularly because it was shot in the sitting position.  

Looks to me that both scored 99, but I can’t tell how many are in the X ring for the No. 8 rifle, looks like at least 4x.  The No. 7 also looks like a 99-4x.  

I think you may find that an ongoing challenge! That's why we shot on THESE:
For 25 yd .22 matches.
NOTE: NOT to scale!




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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 1:48pm
OK guys, here’s my entry for Class 1 Lee Enfield Service Rifle shot today at the CMP Talladega range.  I only shot one group prone slow fire today, the others were rapid fire and standing slow fire (practice for next weeks Talladega 600 match).

Rifle:  No. 4 Mk 1/3 Long Branch, Mk 1 Service Sight
Load: 40 gr Varget under 174 grain Sierra MatchKing, WLR primer, PPU case, 3.05 in OAL

Shot on NRA SR Target, 200 yards prone with sling (no support).  I did not dress warm enough, it was 37 deg with a 10 mph wind from the North.  Not an excuse, but I think it did affect my shooting. 

No sighters, no warming shots.  My first two shots were high in the 10 ring so I came down one click on the rear sight.

Score was 100-4x.  







Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 1:57pm
Well Done ,Sir !


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 2:04pm
Thank you Klondike.  I can do better, but wanted to get this kicked off.


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 2:22pm
I have never shot in competitions or anything so I have a question. What's the rate of fire for slow fire and rapid fire?


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 08 2021 at 2:40pm
Bear, that will depend on the match rules.  Here in the US, the CMP “Games” Rifle competition rules are: 10 minutes for 10 rounds slow fire and 80 seconds for 10 rounds rapid fire.  

The rapid fire time of 80 seconds starts with the shooter standing with 5 rounds in the magazine and bolt closed on an empty chamber.   You must first get into the prone position and also perform a magazine reload after shooting the first 5 rounds.  It’s plenty of time, once you get used to the pace.  


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 6:27am
Geoff,
If I shoot this target with my Long Lee, which category would I shoot under?
The forend is chopped, and it has a Peddy rear sight.
 
Best,
Richard.


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 7:07am
Richard, you can shoot this in either the Service Rifle or Unlimited category.   Service Rifle is “iron sights” only, no magnification.  “Unlimited” is intended to be just that, any Lee Enfield rifle with any sight.  


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 8:15am
Many thanks, Geoff.  :-)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 12:25pm
I took my 1918 SMLE .22 to the range on Saturday. Here's two targets of 10 shot's each.
One using RWS Match ammunition and the other SK Match.
Due to there only being one free space available when I arrived; which was a bench.
 So I had to shoot from sitting position, with elbows on the bench (without extra support).
This rifle is totally standard with original iron sights.




First time with this type of target; so not great; but I would say reasonable for a standard 102 year old rifle. 94/100 with the SK ammo  and 92/100 with the RWS. 
I will have to try again from the prone position.


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 3:59pm
Looks good Zed.  Once you get prone in the sling, I’m sure you will clean the target.  Then I’d like you to work towards 100-10x, you have the skill.  






Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 4:31pm
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 4:41am
If there are more members that will participate if we change the “rules” to allow shooting the Service Rifle class off the bench unsupported (i.e. off the elbows, no sandbag or rest) I can edit the rules to include this.  Some may find it hard to get into (and out of) the prone position.  Let me know.  The idea is to get as many members out to the range as possible. 

While prone in sling is the most stable, as far as I’m concerned you can shoot the Service Rifle and .22 Trainer class in any position as long as you don’t use a support under the rifle.  If you want to shoot off a bench with support (sandbags or rest) you can shoot in the Unlimited class.  

Shooting in the “sitting” position means to me that your sitting down on the ground.  Sitting in a chair with elbows on a bench is “shooting off the bench”.  




Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 9:48am
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 9:59am
No problem Goosic, I want to accommodate as many of our members and as many variants of our Lee Enfields as we can, hence the reason for the three different classes.  




Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 12:46pm
I just realized our range ONLY allows shooting from a bench! any ideas?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 12:52pm
Sham, I’m fine if you want to shoot the Service Rifle class sitting at the bench, as long as you don’t use a support under the rifle, just off the elbows.  You might be able to shoot with a sling that way too.  I don’t think that gives you any advantage over shooting prone.  

 For the Unlimited class, I’m expecting everyone will shoot off the bench with support (a rest, sandbags, etc.).


Posted By: Sinnlover
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 1:58pm
I will happily join in when Bisley is open again, if I may? 
I tend to shot prone just with the sling as support. 
Can we enter in each class? 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 4:25pm
OK, thanks.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Doco Overboard
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 4:34pm
I got my targets in today. I don't expect to clean any targets but getting into prone is not my primary concern.
It's getting back up Cry and being able to focus on the front site clearly!

Ill have to remember center- center- center and throw in a little line of white hold for my British rifles.
It'll be fun to get out and do some shooting no matter what happens.
Looking forward to having some fun.


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 11 2021 at 5:05pm
Sinnlover, yes, you can enter in each class.  And if you shoot a better score later, post that target photo and score.  I’ll be reviewing all the scores in each class and write up an honor roll at the end of the year.  

Doco, glad to hear you are joining in.  I find just regular reading glasses (“cheaters”) to be effective to see the front sight, doesn’t matter that the target is fuzzy.  I also use the 6:00 hold with just a sliver of white showing between top of foresight and bottom of black aiming mark.  Some shooters effectively use a “center mass” hold, it doesn’t work for me. 




Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: January 12 2021 at 5:07am
Just found out that Rso`s only are able to use the range during this enhanced lock down, so I may book some time and do some 303 shooting.
I think the range has the appropriate targets.
So how many times can one submit targets during this competition?
I`ll be shooting No.1 MkIII(no*) 1915, iron sights and No.5 Mk1, 1944 iron sights, both in SR and unlimited, seated at the bench as this is our only option, elbows and sand bags if that`s OK
Both these rifles are full military stocked with their original sights, I cant see worth poop, so this should be interesting.



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Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: January 12 2021 at 8:22am
Can I make my own sr-1 targets, cant find any online and I dont have a printer?
Just need addition spacing specs for 8,7,6 rings


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shoot em if you got em


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 12 2021 at 12:58pm
Shiloh, you can enter as many targets as you want over the course of the year.  The idea is to get members out to the range and build our shooting skill.  And yes, your rifles qualify for both Service Rifle and Unlimited classes.  Just as long as you shoot off your elbows with no support in the Service Rifle class.  

The full dimensions of the SR-1 Target score rings are (per the US NRA Highpower Rules handbook):

Rings in Black      Rings in White

X     1.35             8    9.35
10   3.35             7   12.35
9     6.35             6   15.35
                          5   18.35

For shooting off the bench, not likely you will need scoring rings out past the 8 ring.  We all should be able to keep the hits “in the black” on this target.  




Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: January 12 2021 at 1:29pm
Would a PH Lee Enfield scoped sporter count in the unlimited class. Its a custom No1 built on a 1918 Lithgow action, still working on its referb.
Was thinking maybe using it as well.


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shoot em if you got em


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 12 2021 at 1:30pm
Yes, absolutely. 


Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: January 12 2021 at 2:27pm
Heres my first attempt with the 1915 MkIII, at the bench off my elbows unsupported, 100yrds, pitiful.
My poa was 6:00 on the 9 ring, need to elevate the rear sight a bit and get new eyes...lol
Spent most of 1hr trying to zero the No5 with no luck so won`t be using it, it just looks purdy, maybe put a scope back on it and try to squeeze some decent groups out of it.

Embarrassed


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shoot em if you got em


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 2:16pm
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 6:44pm
Well done Goosic, that’s 100-5x.  

You might find it better to take a 6:00 point of aim (the top point of the vertical post reticle just a hair below the bottom of the black 9 ring).  Use the horizontal reticule to help keep a constant distance between that and the bottom of the target frame and help keep the rifle level.  

Now see if you can get that group shrunk down to 100-10x, I think you can do it...




Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 6:53pm
Shiloh, if your shooting with the open sights, you really need to have a darker aiming mark.  I’ve done this by using black construction paper.  I don’t know how you can see that 9 ring aiming mark...

Unless you have exceptional eyesight, the 6:00 hold is your best bet.  My vision is pretty bad, I’m almost to the point of framing the target with the front sight, that means taking a high point of aim covering the aiming mark and keeping equal distance of white target all around the front sight.  But, you need to be able to lower the rear sight enough to make this work.  


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 7:14pm
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 7:26pm
Yes, absolutely.  Try the 6:00 point of aim next time and see if that helps.  

The CMP Vintage Sniper Match is shot on the SR Target at 300 yards and the MR Target at 600 yards.  Your rifle would hold the 10 ring of the SR Target at 300 yards (7 inch diameter 10 ring) based in what i see on your SR-1 target. 


Posted By: WilliamS
Date Posted: January 13 2021 at 11:34pm
Need to get out in the woods... maybe when all the flooding and landslides are over. Definitely interested in participating. 


Posted By: shiloh
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 2:30am
Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Shiloh, if your shooting with the open sights, you really need to have a darker aiming mark.  I’ve done this by using black construction paper.  I don’t know how you can see that 9 ring aiming mark...

Unless you have exceptional eyesight, the 6:00 hold is your best bet.  My vision is pretty bad, I’m almost to the point of framing the target with the front sight, that means taking a high point of aim covering the aiming mark and keeping equal distance of white target all around the front sight.  But, you need to be able to lower the rear sight enough to make this work.  


I did use a blk circle pinned to the target, and no sir my eyes are at a distinct disadvantage basically having to wear glasses to see, blind as a bat without them. At least I hit the target... lol
At any point I may wait till my PH is done and scoped and carry on with that one.


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 12:18pm
I updated the first post rules to include Ishapore 2A Rifle, L8 Series (and equivalent) with standard service weight 7.62 barrels to Service Rifle class.   Added sitting position on bench with no support (off elbows) to Service Rifle class for those who can’t shoot prone or range will not accommodate prone.  

Note that the heavy barreled 7.62 rifles (L39, L42, Envoy and Enforcer) are Unlimited class only. 


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 12:29pm
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 14 2021 at 1:08pm
That should be a good load.  


Posted By: Doco Overboard
Date Posted: January 15 2021 at 4:28pm
Today I shot LE service rifle SR-1 target prone with sling.
I pulled out a Savage No 4 for today's target. I think I shot this rifle about a year or so ago and started out with the rear sight bottomed out. I count 86 0x with one class C hit, got a flyer in there! lol



Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: January 15 2021 at 6:58pm
Well done Doco. 

What ammo were your shooting? 

Looks like with a front sight adjustment, you will gain some additional points.  

Are the top two shots touching the 10 ring?  Is so, count them as 10’s.  


Posted By: Doco Overboard
Date Posted: January 15 2021 at 7:41pm
Its only one that I could tell for sure that was touching. The other was close, but not quite- I didn't think it was enough, so I just left off.
I used some of that German MEN surplus when I bought a couple cans  back when it was around.
Afterwards when I went home and cleaned the bore I looked and realized the FS was left of a little pencil mark I had left on the base, about one and half blade width.
It was calling for rain so I just grabbed my stuff and headed out to the range to get an entry in.
I was going to grab a better sling that I move around to some different rifles and be better prepared but ran with what was left on that rifle.
The upper loop is on the last set of holes with all the clothes I had on under my coat and I swelled up some from weight I put on when my legs started going bad.
The old girl was laughing at me but we had a nice trip over and back. Grabbed a coffee and all that.
Thanks for getting the virtual match started, it was nice to get out and make some holes again.
I'm going to get some others out of the dungeon and go back again real soon.


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 7:18pm
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Posted By: BigDawgFSJ
Date Posted: January 23 2021 at 6:40pm
I am in.  It will bench supported, my range does not allow the Prone position.  They Will allow standing.  Go figure.



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Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 1:31pm
Nice shooting.
My targets i ordered finally came in this afternoon. SR1


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 02 2021 at 3:48am
Not been any posts on this in a while.  I’ll throw this out for the Service Rifle Class, shot prone in sling at 200 yards from my 1944 Long Branch No. 4 Mk 1/3 with Mk 1 service aperture sight.  NRA Short Range Target.

Load is 174 gr SMK, 39.0 gr. Norma 202, WLR primer.  

Score is 100-7x.  Group size center to center extreme spread 3.7 inches.




Here’s a shot of the monitor target overlay zoomed in to the 9 ring, two shots just outside the x ring, missed a 100-9x by a hair.




Posted By: 303 Hunter
Date Posted: February 02 2021 at 9:41am
That’s some pretty good shooting.
I will enter a target in here once it warms up and I make a target (having trouble finding targets of the right specifications).

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Posted By: klondike
Date Posted: February 03 2021 at 2:59pm
Yes that is Awesome shooting


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 03 2021 at 6:30pm
Nice!

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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 05 2021 at 2:19pm
Got back to the range today.  Shot my 0L 1941 Long Branch No. 4 Mk 1/2 I got from ASquare10 and also my UF56 No. 4 Mk2 DCRA 7.62.  I was a bit off today, I think too much Burbon last night.  

Pic is a bit fuzzy, but you should be able to make out the 200, 300 and 600 yard lines.  



200 yard SR Target shot prone with my Mk 2 DCRA, PH 5c rear sight.  Score 100-6x. First five shots a bit high, had to come down a few clicks on the rear sight. 






Posted By: Doco Overboard
Date Posted: February 05 2021 at 3:20pm
Excellent demonstration of skill in marksmanship.
I'm going to pull another rifle out and get up to the range to sling some lead for participation.


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 9:42am
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 4:45pm
Yup, that’s a 100-8x score.  I’d bet if you shoot a few more 10 shot groups, you would get one that is all in the X ring.  Is this the rifle with the 7.62 L8 barrel?  Very good shooting rifle indeed. 


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 4:51pm
Yes. It is the Faux L8A5T*
I was using Sierra 168grn TMK bullets with 40.0grns of N202 and primed with WLRM primers.


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 7:34am
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 11:13am
 That’s what makes it so challenging, especially shooting with iron sights and holding the rifle without support.  With irons, you can’t focus on the target and the front sight at the same time.  Heck, I can barely see the black which encompasses the 9 ring, it looks like a smudged tiny black dot to me.  Ive tried to hold the X ring in prone with the aperture sight and can’t quite get there. 

One thing you could try is aiming at the bottom of the black, it might be a more repeatable point of aim.  



Posted By: Doco Overboard
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 3:15pm
I re-barrelled a BSA No 1 mk III* with one of the new Sarco barrels that were available in the past, fit new draws into a DP stock and swapped over to a windage adjustable rear site about a year ago or so. The BSA rifle is the second entry for the Virtual match and is for the Sr 1 target category.


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 3:23pm
Nice!

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Posted By: Potato749
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 3:25pm
Imagine how much better that would have been with just a bump to that sightTongue


Posted By: Doco Overboard
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 3:40pm
I also refit some new(er)wood to a LB No4 * marked rifle and had it to the range for the first time today for the third SR 1 entry. The first shot high and left caught me by surprise because the trigger is light and reacts differently with live ammo. The first stage is nearly non existent and it was cold but Im hesitant to mess with it because the let off is real nice. I had to swap sling with my other rifle but I like it because my kid got it for me from his old base at the MCX.Thumbs Up


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 6:14pm
Good to see some more targets posted on the Forum Virtual Match. 

Doco, I count a 95-1x and a 92.  Not sure on the second target, hard to tell on two of the shots it they touched the 8 and 9 rings or not. 

I encourage everyone to score your own targets using the scoring rules posted. 



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