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Topic: Help identifying
Posted By: stairgod
Subject: Help identifying
Date Posted: February 20 2021 at 3:07pm
I've had an old enfield rifle for about 35 years. It is a very good dependable rifle. I used to hunt boar with it. I need help with a more accurate identity than just British 303. It has SHTLE  I** stamped on it. I would like to get a new magazine for it, but don't know enough about the riffle to make sure I get one that is correct                       




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Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 5:32am
Howdy a regular Mklll magazine will fit it.
Mklll SMLE case’s are are numbered (1 thru 4)
A No3 or No4 case will fit your’s.
Any chance of possibly posting photo’s of said rifle 👍.
Cheer’s.


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Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 7:30am
What you have is a SHorT magazine Lee-Enfield. On the rifles it was abbreviated like yours is or later on SMLE. Is yours actually a Mk I** or is there a third * poorly struck at the end? It actually makes a big difference as to the ammunition it was sighted in for. If you could post some pictures that would be great. For a magazine, if look up one for a No 1 Mk III* Enfield you will find magazines that will work. They are available from many parts houses. Just make sure to get an original as the reproductions have issues. Keep in mind it may take tweaking to get the magazine to feed correctly in your rifle. The magazines were fitted to the rifle and then never intended to be removed or replaced.


Posted By: stairgod
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 7:42am
Here's a picture of the stamp. I**, then IP. I believe the IP means it went to India. there's also a stamp with RTF above 1919.  I always thought that the 1919 was the year of manufacture, but someone said that the RTF is for return to factory and the year it was returned to be refurbished.



Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 7:48am
The Naval Order’s (LOC 14936) for the MK I SMLE to MK I** was given on 4th Jan 1908.For Naval Service.
Cheer’s 


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Posted By: stairgod
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 12:30pm
Thank you for the information



Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 12:34pm
The 1919 is the (C)onversion date RIF is the Ishpore abbreviation.
RIF=Royal Ishpore Factory.
(Loc 8858) 26/9/1916 to upgraded to Mklll specifications.
The additional (*) & IP where stamped at Ishapore.
Your rifle should be dated around pre 1910 with the ER Cypher.
Cheer’s.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 6:32pm
that looks to be a genuine mkI** , somehow it escaped the mkI*** changes , nice find 

edited to add we would love to see more overall photos and some closeups of the bolt head , rear sight , and handguards ....there are details of the mkI series that make it special , if i get time ill switch computers and add a couple photos [bear please feel free to copy any of my photos you want and use them] 


Posted By: stairgod
Date Posted: February 21 2021 at 7:00pm
It doesn't have front or rear sights.  That's why I had a scope mounted years ago when I was around 19.  Plus I had no funds to buy a hunting rifle. Now that I am in my 50's I wish I would have found the correct sights for it. I am out of town until Saturday and will be able to take more pictures then.




Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 8:42am
Originally posted by stairgod stairgod wrote:

It doesn't have front or rear sights.  That's why I had a scope mounted years ago when I was around 19.  Plus I had no funds to buy a hunting rifle. Now that I am in my 50's I wish I would have found the correct sights for it. I am out of town until Saturday and will be able to take more pictures then.


Nice gun!! thinking the sight scope must make it hard to use the stripper clips.
👍🍻


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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 12:00pm
The correct terminology would be Chargers or Charging Clips. 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 12:39pm
Oohh! Hoadie's a comin, load up the tranq gun & call matron.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 12:42pm
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Oohh! Hoadie's a comin, load up the tranq gun & call matron.
What did I do!!
ShockedWink👍


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Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 12:44pm
Oh it can get "pretty deep" round here"!


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 4:35pm
ya rang the terminology bell , 


Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 4:41pm
Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

ya rang the terminology bell , 
Is that something like Force-Matching thing’s.🤷‍♂️🙈😂😉


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 4:44pm
”Guns” and “Stripper Clips”....

Hoadie! 


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 5:00pm
Originally posted by SGonger SGonger wrote:

Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

ya rang the terminology bell , 
Is that something like Force-Matching thing’s.🤷‍♂️🙈😂😉

more like misuse of the english language , we are inclined to proper terminology 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 8:27pm
!!! YA BUNCHA FLIPPIN HEATHENS!! strippers & clips indeed!! AAAARGH!! Wot you do to the good King's English..never mind wot the old sweats from Enfield wud say to ya!!

strippers and clips & guns...oh my...

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Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 8:38pm
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

!!! YA BUNCHA FLIPPIN HEATHENS!! strippers & clips indeed!! AAAARGH!! Wot you do to the good King's English..never mind wot the old sweats from Enfield wud say to ya!!

strippers and clips & guns...oh my...
Howdy Mr Hoadie;
 🍻😉
Just our neighborly way of saying howdy neighbor nice to be here.
Cheer’s today.
TongueLOLWink



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Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 10:22am
The abbreviation is actually RFI for Rifle Factory Ishapore and the IP stands for Ishapore Pattern. I'll have to look up the specifics of the MK I** IP as Ishapore kind of had their own thing going on with those. Hence the IP designation applied.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 12:05pm
Sorry Hoadie... I personally cannot find anything wrong with "Guns and Strippers!"


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 12:08pm
I once knew a Stripper with the stage name Guns...


Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 12:09pm
^^^^^^^^^LOLClap😂🙈👍😉

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Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 8:34pm
oh lord , here we go , 


Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 8:40pm
I’m just watching & reading the Threads.....kinda heard a rumor about there might be some Gnome’s around here but I ain’t seen them yet.       🤷‍♂️🤦LOLWink

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Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 23 2021 at 8:44pm
they are here ...............................


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 24 2021 at 11:00am
Yup we got gnomes, Hakka gnomes, & their King!
https://gardendrum.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/IKEAs-angry-gnomes.png


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: stairgod
Date Posted: March 01 2021 at 1:51am
Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

that looks to be a genuine mkI** , somehow it escaped the mkI*** changes , nice find 

edited to add we would love to see more overall photos and some closeups of the bolt head , rear sight , and handguards ....there are details of the mkI series that make it special , if i get time ill switch computers and add a couple photos [bear please feel free to copy any of my photos you want and use them] 

Hope these help.








Posted By: stairgod
Date Posted: March 11 2021 at 10:36am
Originally posted by Bear43 Bear43 wrote:

What you have is a SHorT magazine Lee-Enfield. On the rifles it was abbreviated like yours is or later on SMLE. Is yours actually a Mk I** or is there a third * poorly struck at the end? It actually makes a big difference as to the ammunition it was sighted in for. If you could post some pictures that would be great. For a magazine, if look up one for a No 1 Mk III* Enfield you will find magazines that will work. They are available from many parts houses. Just make sure to get an original as the reproductions have issues. Keep in mind it may take tweaking to get the magazine to feed correctly in your rifle. The magazines were fitted to the rifle and then never intended to be removed or replaced.


The year of manufacture is worn down too much for me to see it. Is there a way for me to look up the year using the serial number?  

Also, will these work in my rifle?




Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: March 12 2021 at 11:23am
It looks like a very clean hunting rifle. 
Can you tell us what's the issue with the magazine you have? 
Maybe it just needs a new spring; or maybe adjustment if you have a feed problem.



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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 12 2021 at 9:03pm
others here can help more with your mag issues and yes it looks very much a great hunting rifle - one i would feel great taking to the field , as far as restoration , i would want to look more into cost vs what you intend for it in the end  , you have a fine rifle 

edit to add that the ammo will be just fine if its what its marked on that fine looking box , congrats 



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