7.62 mags?
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Topic: 7.62 mags?
Posted By: FlyPiper907
Subject: 7.62 mags?
Date Posted: May 22 2021 at 6:53pm
| Looking to start an envoy replica project with an eager gunsmith. Anyone have a working 7.62 mag they’re looking to part with? |
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 6:59am
FlyPiper907: The photo shows two Enfield magazines. The one one the left is for the L42A1/Enforcer and have been found in the Envoy. The magazine on the right is for the 2A1 Ishapore and with very minor work can be fitted into the No4Mk1 magazine well. I mention that because the magazine on the left has a current market value of $550.00 - $750.00 USD. Depending on the seller. The 2A1 magazine can be purchased for roughly $45.00 - $55.00. That all being said however and if I may so bold as to ask. How will this eager gunsmith manage to accomplish that daunting task?...
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FlyPiper907 wrote:Posted By: FlyPiper907
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 11:11am
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Well, we’re not going to this to a numbers matching or nice Enfield to start with, just one that either needs love with a good receiver or a good sporter. He specializes in older US military rifles and creating sub-MOA performers; NOT that we suspect we’d ever get that out of Enfield, but we’re both curious what we can get out of the rifle platform. Him and I came up with the idea after looking at roger wadhams ishapore project. This would be a no-holds barred Enfield project so something we’d definitely take our time with. We’re going to need parts first before everything gets tackled.
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Posted By: FlyPiper907
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 11:13am
| I’ve thought about the Ishy mags too. Either would work. He does want me to ask around if the bottom metal of the 7.62 mags is specific to the 7.62 mags or if that metal is the same as the 303 mags |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 3:13pm
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I have re-indexed two 2A1 Ishapore 7.62mm barrels onto the No4Mk1 reciever. It was a small task that also requires creating specifically sized boltheads that need to be rehardened once completed. The magazine well needs to be opened up in four specific areas on the bottom of the reciever to correctly accept the L42A1 magazines as well. I did manage to find a new old stock, unissued 7.62mm Canadian Arsenal made No4 contoured barrel for a No4Mk1. It still needed to be indexed to the reciever and some attention to headspace was needed also. The photo shows from top to bottom: Faux L8A5T with the Canadian Arsenal 7.62mm barrel. Maltby No4Mk1/2 with the 2A1 Ishapore barrel No4Mk2 with the 2A1 Ishapore barrel cut to 20". If you plan on creating something like these? Stick with an actual 2A/2A1. It will save you alot of headaches and unnecessary cussing...
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Posted By: FlyPiper907
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 3:48pm
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Goosic, Do you mean stick with the Ishy receiver too?
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 4:09pm
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Yes. The Ishapore reciever was intended to be used with the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge and as such, it was tested at a higher proof than that of the 303B. If you intend to sporterize your choice of 7.62mm Enfield, use the Ishapore.
The bottom rifle pictured was by far, the most difficult build i have completed to date. Re-indexing the barrel,resizing and rehardening the bolthead, reshaping the firing pin to get the proper pin protrusion, removing material from the bottom of the reciever so the L42A1 magazine would fit and function properly. I could have used a 2A1 at a third of the cost.
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Posted By: FlyPiper907
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 4:52pm
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I’ve actually just found a complete L42 stock set. Here’s where we’re at: 1. 7.62 steel/carbon fiber barrel 2. L42 stock set. Still in need of a good strong receiver and magazine. Would you still stick with an Ishy receiver? I’m aware of the possible coming magazine issue; we may have to custom make one.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 6:03pm
| Use a No. 4 action, and load for .303 velocities/pressures. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 8:27pm
Where is the barrel from and who makes it?
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Posted By: FlyPiper907
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 8:44pm
| Paradigm carbon fiber - 1:9 twist |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: May 24 2021 at 10:15am
| Just my two cents here. They also offer a .243 barrel. The 243 and 308 share the same case dimensions below the shoulder. The 243 has a much lower PSI as well and makes for a very accurate round. Give them a No4Mk1 barrel for a template and have them cut one for a .243. |
Posted By: Pendiner
Date Posted: May 29 2021 at 12:55pm
I have 3x7.62 NATO mags that I am interested in selling. 2x Enfield mags and 1x Sterling.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: May 29 2021 at 1:06pm
| PM sent... |
Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: May 30 2021 at 8:13am
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Would you be entertaining trades for one of those magazines? ------------- Castles made of sand slip into the sea.....eventually |
Posted By: FlyPiper907
Date Posted: May 30 2021 at 8:20am
| One more question: my guess is, because the 6.5x55 cartridge is similar to (and in some cases longer than) the 303 case, using one of these 7.62 mags to correct for the rimless problem would only result in the cartridge binding. Is my thinking correct? |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: May 30 2021 at 9:07am
| The 6.5x55 has the same rimless design as the 308/7.62 and almost directly between the 260 Rem and 257 Roberts. Fitting a 2A1 magazine to a No4 is a very simple process and getting the 6.5x55 to feed should not be an issue. Polish the feed ramp and it becomes less of an issue. |
Posted By: FlyPiper907
Date Posted: May 30 2021 at 6:00pm
| Goosic, that sounds correct. However, I’m talking about cartridge length. 6.5 is similar to OCL of a 303; a 308 cartridge is smaller than both. Do you see a potential issue with this or do you think it could work? |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: May 30 2021 at 9:51pm
| If you will be handloading your 6.5x55, seat your bullets to 2.850" instead of the normal 2.900" C.O.L. most reloading data calls for as a maximum C.O.L.. |
Posted By: WilliamS
Date Posted: June 02 2021 at 9:21am
| You could also do it in 6.5 Creedmore, which is my plan. It's a .308 based cartridge so it will fit and work fine using a 7.62 magazine without any worries, and should leave you plenty of room for long bullets. |
Posted By: MoondogToo
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 4:19pm
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I guess I need the money I have one I would be willing to part with What's your best offer? BTW Moondog55 here , having trouble logging in so I needed to reregister with a different name Pix if interested
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Posted By: Eric
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 6:02pm
Send me a PM and I can help you out. Eric
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Posted By: Moondog55
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 7:42pm
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OK Thanx Eric for helping out Logged in now under my correct handle of Moondog55 Goosic I just sent you a new PM
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 8:06pm
| Howdy from Phoenix Arizona by the way...🤠 |
Posted By: 303 Hunter
Date Posted: June 04 2021 at 10:23pm
I believe it will be ok, just be careful because according to my Lyman reloading manual the 6.5x55 has a maximum cartridge length of 3.150 inches long. I have a box of PPU 139 grain spbt factory ammunition and they are about the same length as the .303 British factory ammunition (I can’t find my calliper at the moment so I don’t know the exact length) so you should be fine as long as the factory load you are using doesn’t exceed 3.075 inches.  From left to right; .303 British, my own wild cat 6.5x303R Canadian and the 6.5x55 Swede. ------------- The Lee Enfield is to the Canadian north what the Winchester repeater was to the American west. Cal Bablitz |
Posted By: Moondog55
Date Posted: June 05 2021 at 7:09pm
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My spare magazine sold to Goosic. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 05 2021 at 7:19pm
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Guys, we have a "for sale" sub forum. You're welcome to buy sell, Trade & swap there, but please. do it there. Thanks.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Moondog55
Date Posted: June 05 2021 at 8:32pm
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Sorry I didn't log back in with the intention of making a sale. feel free to delete the posts if needs be. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 06 2021 at 9:48am
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No problem this time, just trying to make sure seller gets in touch with the most buyers. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |