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Topic: Lothar Walther barrels?
Posted By: AbitNutz
Subject: Lothar Walther barrels?
Date Posted: July 19 2021 at 8:59pm
I've heard about the Criterion barrels but I wasn't aware that Lothar Walther were offering barrels for the No 4 MK1. Has anyone tried one or know anything about them? At $369.00 they sound reasonably riced unless there is a ton of work to do to them. 

https://www.lothar-walther.com/new-2021/1445/enfield-no.4-mk1.303british-mud.596-l-25.23-cr-moly-steel?c=7" rel="nofollow - https://www.lothar-walther.com/new-2021/1445/enfield-no.4-mk1.303british-mud.596-l-25.23-cr-moly-steel?c=7




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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 3:26am
I’d buy one or two.  If they are actually available.  Seems to only require a chamber finish ream.  I sent them an inquiry.  



Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 5:57am
Lothar Walther responded to my query.  That was fast!  

They said the barrels are short chambered, require finish reaming.  That’s it.  I’m going to order one. 

I also have a new Criterion barrel I’ve not installed yet.  

 



Posted By: AbitNutz
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 6:11am
Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Lothar Walther responded to my query.  That was fast!  

They said the barrels are short chambered, require finish reaming.  That’s it.  I’m going to order one. 

I also have a new Criterion barrel I’ve not installed yet.  

 

I was shocked how fast they responded as well and that they said the barrels were in stock. The delivery time she said was 48 hours so I pulled the trigger on one, so to speak. I've never owned a Lothar-Walther barrel but it has to be better than to shot-out rusted tube I have on my No 4 now. 
Here are the specs off the web page. Nothing in super detail. It just says Chrome-moly for the steel. She confirmed it was short chambered, as you stated. 

Caliber:.303British
Twist:10"
Material:chrome-moly steel
Largest diameter [LD]:1.25"
Length :25.23"
Muzzle diameter [MuD]:.596"
Bore diameter:.303"
Groove diameter:.314"
Grooves:4
Weight:2.579 lbs



Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 6:46am
I also ordered one.  Very fast service.  

I’m curious on what the width of the lands are.  I think the .314 groove depth works on Enfield rifling because the lands and grooves are equal width.  Narrow lands would give a larger mean diameter of bore and groove.




Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 9:12am
 Good to see these are available.
One question! Where do you get a reamer for the chamber?


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Posted By: AbitNutz
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 9:58am
I'm pretty sure they can be readily rented at several places.


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 11:06am
I bought one from Manson Precision.  I had them shorten the position of the shoulder slightly, no need for so much space between case and chamber at the shoulder. Very reasonable price too, I think I paid $125. But I had to get them to turn down the reamer handle so it would fit into the receiver.  




Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 11:18am
That's great; so you are set up to do the barrel change yourself.
I believe you are free of "proof" certification in the USA, is that correct?


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 1:14pm
Yes, no restrictions of replacing barrels.  I’ve done two M1 barrel changes and removed/reinstalled the barrel on one of my No. 4’s so I could refinish the metal work. That barrel was on there very tight! Had to heat the receiver. 


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 4:14pm
They are shipping my No. 4 barrel tomorrow.  Outstanding service.  

I asked them if they keep No. 4 barrels in stock, and Rebecah told me they usually do and she is putting another order in from the Germany facility tomorrow.  I don’t think they will export outside the US, but presumably those in the EU should be able to get a barrel direct from the German distributor.  Not sure what is available in the AU, NZ and SA. 

I’m not taking any chances here, I want to be able to shoot competitively for at least another 10 years and not have to worry about not finding a barrel. 


Posted By: AbitNutz
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 4:58pm
I haven't received an email with the tracking number yet. I just ordered a NOS #0 bolt head. It's an early BSA marked with a 0 and a B. I want to start out as tight as I can. I have bolt heads all the way out to #3. It doesn't help that the chamber is shaped like a goose egg.


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 20 2021 at 5:23pm
Once you get the headspace set, I doubt you will see any change, even after shooting thousands of rounds.  I know this because I’ve monitored the headspace on my No. 4, from after the barrel was first installed (with a #1 bolt head), I’ve not been able to detect any change even after 8,000 to 10,000 rounds fired.  I’ve seen the same with my No. 4 Mk 2 7.62 DCRA conversion which I’ve shot several thousand rounds thru it. 

I think we worry too much about headspace at times.  The only real advantage with having a relatively tight headspace is to maximize the number of reloads of the cartridge case.  Some claim accuracy is better with a tight headspace, but I can’t confirm that claim.

Now, if you push your reloads to the limits, you might expect headspace to increase after a few thousand rounds.   This is best avoided by using mild reloads. 




Posted By: AbitNutz
Date Posted: July 21 2021 at 9:49am
I just received an email from Lothar-Walther with my invoice and UPS tracking number. It should be here in the next couple of days. Once I receive it and the new bolt head it's off to the gunsmith! 


Posted By: WilliamS
Date Posted: July 21 2021 at 9:52pm
Lothar-Walther makes excellent barrels, although I haven't tried their No4 ones yet. They won't sell the No1 barrels in the US though, I think I've only asked about it 3 or 4 times.... at this point I'm about ready to pay the import fees to buy a batch from a foreign distributor.


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 22 2021 at 5:25am
Barrel is arriving today by UPS. 




Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 22 2021 at 6:31pm
That’s amazing, barrel arrived three days after I first heard about these barrels being available.  Thanks to AbitNutz. 


Posted By: AbitNutz
Date Posted: July 22 2021 at 6:45pm
Mine is supposed to be here tomorrow. UPS must be speedy in your area. I'm in Ohio. Thinks sometimes run slower here. 


Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 23 2021 at 6:27am
They are in Cumming, GA, not far from where I live.  

I’m going to use Birchwood Casey Perma Blue for the finish.  


Posted By: AbitNutz
Date Posted: July 23 2021 at 4:30pm
I received my Lothar-Walther barrel today. I'll be driving it over to the gunsmith next week. It's a 4 groove barrel and when compared to the pitiful 2-groove, more like 1/2-groove, shot out old barrel of my No 4 MK 2, it's a beautiful thing. It has the bayonet lugs and appears to have the correct contour. 

It's in the white so I'll have it rust blued. I know it should be parkerized but it's too pretty and it's far past original now. We'll figure out how to affix the Parker-Hale tunnel front sight without butchering the barrel. I'm hoping the dovetail can just be recut to the correct size. 

 I'm going to get the action cleaned up a bit and use a NOS #0 BSA bolt head. 

The stock is in nice enough shape. I'll have to work on exactly the best way to bed it. I've never messed with bedding a two piece stock. let alone a No 4. 

With any luck at all I may be able to improve on the previous best of "minute of trashcan lid" size groups. Man, they could go anywhere. sometimes I wonder if it was safer to stand in front of it than behind it. Ok, that's not true but my complete inability to make improvements made me crazy.


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 24 2021 at 1:10am
Looking forward to seeing your progress on this project.
Keep us posted. With photos please.


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: July 24 2021 at 5:22am
I’ll be interested too to hear how the installation goes, if any issues with correct indexing to the receiver.

I’m hoping it will be a while yet until I need to replace the barrel on my match shooter.  




Posted By: str8shutr
Date Posted: July 24 2021 at 7:06am
Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

They are shipping my No. 4 barrel tomorrow.  Outstanding service.  
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Not sure what is available in the AU, NZ and SA.


If you're interested, check out T-Bone Shipwrighting down in Coogee (suburb in Sydney, near the beach). Tom Smith puts up regular posts on Fartbook of his work that include LW barrels. Offers a fair showing of Enfield rebarrels.

Based on that example, you should be happy with the result.


Posted By: AbitNutz
Date Posted: July 24 2021 at 10:24am
My gunsmith is an a$$hole so there won't be any in progress pictures. I'll see if I can get him call me as it progresses and take pictures. He's an a$$hole but he's a capable a$$hole and he's local. 


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: July 24 2021 at 10:57am
If you're stuck finding a good Lee Enfield gunsmith in the USA,then you should talk to Brian d**k at BDL. He has an excellent reputation apparently.

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Posted By: AbitNutz
Date Posted: July 24 2021 at 4:46pm
I did talk to him. Unfortunately, he doesn't do barrels that are short chambered. He only installs them if they are fully chambered and ready to be installed. 



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