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Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Subject: New Member
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 1:49pm
he!!o all , 
I’m a new member here . I have  visited the site in the past , and all the info is great , thanks for sharing . I just picked up a Maltby made No.4 Mk1 . I was looking for info to help identify markings on it and read and older thread about someone writing a book on Maltby made rifles . I replied to the old post and was asked to start a new thread . 




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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 5:43pm
welcome , i think its a nice maltby , bear can confirm a lot of the markings for you , he has lots of time studying them 


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 6:51pm
Thanks A square 10, 
It has a matching bolt ,& barrel. I have researched a little and found out the meaning of most of  the import / export proof marks . It has a 5 groove LH twist barrel that has strong rifling and mirror finish inside . On the bottom of the wrist , where the trigger guard attaches appears to be a faint D with an arrow in it ? Is this an Aussie ownership mark? The magazine did not have a serial number just M/ 56 on the follower and on the locking lug , also a 4 , it is painted black . It was soaking in Ballistol when I photographed it . I gave it thorough cleaning after the pictures. It was very dusty , dry and had a little bit of rust developing around the stamped numbers . The action is smooth as glass after cleaning. From what I can tell most parts are stamped with an M . The rear sight is a B w/ broad arrow (BSA?) , the Mk 5 I think , 200-800yd like a No5 MK1 carbine . It had cosmoline staining on it underneath the aperture when I “elevated “ it . Other than the rear sight ( which is the same color of finish ), it looks to be in original condition. The spike bayonet was stamped F.F.&S. Ld  ( F. Fisher & Sons ?) on one side that was a bit rougher /  unfinished . The Cocking piece has  W&S stamped on it . The lower front end cap has a CE 1967 , black paint . The top front end cap has no markings and is painted black .   The receiver appears to have the oil bath finish , not the black paint . 


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: October 03 2021 at 7:55pm
Welcome to the club!

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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 4:02am
Welcome!
That looks like a lovely Maltby rifle. 
The rear sight has been replaced and would be a No5 carbine version as you know. It would have had the pressed steel type with the slide release catch on the side. At least that is what was originally on my 1944 Maltby. 
However I have heard that the No5 rear sight has finer adjustments than the original singer made sight fitted to the No4 rifle, Due to the thread apparently. 


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Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 4:37pm
Thanks guys , 
Zed , that is what I read also . I am familiar with the stamp steel sights , those are on my P-14 and and my M-1917 . 
The No.5 sight is very well made and looks like it was NOS . It has no wear and after cleaning it and removing cosmoline brightened up and was very precise. My FAZ 1/46 No.5 MK1 has a little more worn , but exact same sight . I got the Enfield fever after watching the film 1917 again . Ended up getting 4 different varieties from an estate auction . The other was an Isshy 7.62x51 No1mkIII from 1967 , very nice “look” of Jungle Carbine . It was done nicely, but unfortunately wears the No1 MKIII sights . I have a heck of a time with those ,  prefer the rear ghost ring or peep aperture. 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 5:24pm
BEAR 43 is the book writer.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 5:27pm
Thanks Bear . I hope to hear from him . 


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 5:47pm
M56 was the war code for the factory that produced the bolt components , nice sling and bayo/scabard set as well 


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 6:19pm
thanks A square 10 ! they came with rifle . 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 9:31am
He was having a problem logging on a couple of days ago. I'm not sure if its been fixed.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 12:34pm
Here is a photo of my 1944 Maltby. It's a BJ prefix; so slightly earlier than your rifle.
This rifle was part of a parachute drop to the French Resistance; after the war it was stored for 70 years.



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Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 12:37pm
nice ! really a fan of walnut furniture. But couldn’t resist when I saw the one I purchased  . That’s great you have some history on yours . 


Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by Grizzly  ‘76 Grizzly ‘76 wrote:

nice ! really a fan of walnut furniture. But couldn’t resist when I saw the one I purchased  . That’s great you have some history on yours . 

Howdy Grizzly;
You mentioned (what looks? to be a Broad Arrow inserted inside a D) yes that is an early Australian Government Ownership mark,but it dates back to the pre 1920’s,D^D was then in the post year’s to follow.
So henceforth whatever that stamp mark you photo’d I’m hesitant say just what that is.
Cheer’s today.


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Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 4:59pm
SGonger, thanks for the reply . Part of the fun of old milsurplus rifles , tracking down the stamps . The info I found did not mention the dates used for that stamp . Just started my Enfield collection this year , so still new to the British rifles . There is an impressive amount of info available. It’s deciphering it all correctly is where I need help from more experienced collectors. I’ve been looking at purchasing books to help . No one I know personally has “old historic Gun fever “. My friends all want the latest tacticool thing out there, I have a soft spot for wood stocks and blued steel . I got started collecting the WWII US rifles . Then it spread to British, French, Swiss , German ,& Czech ….


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 5:02pm
thanks Shamu for the reply .


Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 7:44pm
Grizzly;
A tidbit;
Australia (Lithgow) never produced the No4’s but did end up being supplied with them on a good scale later WW2 prior to embarking on the Borneo Campaign,please to note no sling attached to them yet in the photo.
Cheer’s.
A  


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Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 05 2021 at 7:46pm
Well, I'll be Censored
 once again I learn something!
Thanks.



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 7:28am
SGonger, 
Thanks for the info ! My grandfather was in the USMC during WWII , he fought in the South Pacific. Those allied guys had it tough fighting on those islands ! I’m trying to get as much background info I can from the stamps / & proofs on the rifle and wood furniture. Much appreciated. 


Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Well, I'll be Censored
 once again I learn something!
Thanks.

No worries ole cobber......but this photo along with some other noted photo’s pertaining to the (Oz 1st Para Batt training) open up a number of question’s?,about how these No4’s were Gov Owner stamped D^D?,used,maintained,inspected stamped (returned to England? 🤷‍♂️ etc etc,l),as you know.

Don’t mean to side track the OP thread but it’s something to keep in mind about the No4’s.
Cheer’s today.


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Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 4:31pm
Those pictures you posted are great! Those inspection marks on the left front, the circular marks, are some of the clearest inspection marks I have ever seen. Very nice! As for the letters on the wrist (also notice the 2 M's stamped above the D) there really isn't anything I have found as to the meaning of those. What I can tell you is that those marks are unique to Maltby rifles. If you could get a super-closeup of those wrist marks it may help. Overall, you have a very nice looking rifle.


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 4:34pm
thank you bear 43 . I can post some more pictures in a bit . I thought I saw a few more round inspection stamps but they are kinda faint . 


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 06 2021 at 5:30pm
I have been unsuccessful in my attempts to load further images . 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 9:57am
What happened so they couldn't load?
Was there any kind of error message?
There is a file size limit but I don't remember what it is instantly. Also theres a limit per post, which I also don't remember. Maybe try shrinking the images to somewhere round 1024 X whatever & posting to a now post in the same thread?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 10:00am
shamu , it just wouldn’t load . I went into the file control and was way under the data limit . I was able to remove a picture from the file to add space . I did try shrinking the file 3 separate times , smaller each time . I tried from work and home too. Not sure what is the problem. I’m like kindergarten level computer savvy. 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 2:30pm
Can you e-mail me the original & I'll see what I can figure out for you?
PMd you the e-mail


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: smerdon42
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 2:45pm
I have a picture of my dad in 63 with his infantry buddies out bush at the school if infantry using Bren guns and stens . Before deployment to 1RAR 


Posted By: smerdon42
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 2:47pm
 


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 3:00pm
Nice ! I’ll ask my brother to send me a picture of my Grandfather. I don’t think we have any photos of him on the islands , just his USMC head shot . My brother ( who was also a Marine) , has Grandpas dress green jacket . 


Posted By: smerdon42
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 5:06pm
grizzly , my great uncle was In the 55 th battalion 1 stAIF . They where part of the first battle with the doughboys in ww1 . Uncle d**k was in the artillery in ww2 in Darwin when the japs bombed it and my dad father and brothers served as well in pacific theatre one on coast watch the rest in New Guinea ,Thailand Burma Singapore .Dad was a Vietnam vet 66-67 did a lot of joint operations with the yanks . Us Aussie been grunting around with the yanks for a long time .


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 07 2021 at 6:16pm
smerdon 42 , 
Wow great family line of military service !The world we be a whole lot different if those guys hadn’t teamed up back in the day .  My Uncle Dave was in the US Army ,  Vietnam as a combat engineer. They used to go in defoliate and then  clear,  ( bull dozer)  , jungle hill tops for  forward operating bases , fire  bases , and helicopter landing pads . He had some stories . My father missed the draft by 3 months he didn’t turn 18 until May of ‘72 . 
My Step brother was US Army artillery, served in the Persian Gulf theater, Saudi Arabia, to keep Saddam Hussein at bay between the ‘91 gulf war and the ‘01 gulf war . Operation Desert Shield . His grandfather, my step - grandfather served in the US Army field  artillery , WWII European theatre . 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 08 2021 at 12:20pm
OK, the pics, as promised.
They were just too big as an individual file size for the forum to accept them. Possibly because the files were "Embedded" (physically inserted) instead of being "linked" (which is like  street address to go to for a house). Its possible to be under the TOTAL image upload (the green "thermometer bar"), but over the individual file limit, which was a couple of megs in your case.
That's my best guess anyway.

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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: October 09 2021 at 12:31am
Looks like a very low mileage rifle. That's a great find.
Looking forward to seeing the range report.


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Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 10 2021 at 2:57pm
Shamu thank you for the help , I’m a total newb on posting pictures to a forum . 


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 10 2021 at 3:08pm
Zed , 
Yeah when I found it up for sale I had to add it to my collection. It is low miles for sure . Now I just would like to find a nice No.1 Mk III . The only ammo I have is Sterling vintage 1942 surplus . I was told it will have click - Bang , hang fires , and some duds . I’m a little on the fence about shooting it , was wondering if it would be better to pull it apart and reload it if it’s boxer primed. My LGS had them for $10. / 20 ct . I’m looking for new production ammo honestly. I shoot all my safe Queens , just a little more sparingly on the “low milage” models . Especially since .303 has been hard to come by in the mid-east US lately . I really can’t wait to take it out to the range .  Is the afore mentioned Sterling ammo corrosive primer , or cordite powder ? 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 11 2021 at 7:56am
Any time!


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 11 2021 at 10:23am
Aim surplus just sent a notification of .303 PPU back in stock . I ordered 3 boxes right then . 


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: October 11 2021 at 11:02am
PPU is good stuff. It shoots well and the bonus is that the cases are really good for reloading.
even if you don't reload yet; it's worth stock piling your used brass. 
Then if you decide to reload; you've already got a good stock of cases.

Please send us a range report when you get the chance.


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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: AussieShooter
Date Posted: October 21 2021 at 7:15pm
I'm a little late but Welcome Grizzly - I see you have been treated to the wit and wisdom of the board.  You'll like it here.  Very nice looking rifle, and I also shoot the PPU brand factory loads, and am ready to start some relaoding...soon.  Another adventure courtesy of Lee Enfield!


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The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates


Posted By: Grizzly ‘76
Date Posted: October 22 2021 at 1:57am
AussieShooter, thanks for the warm welcome, lots of useful info and friendly conversation. I got a bit lucky finding that Maltby , it’s in great shape . 



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