AIA M10
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Topic: AIA M10
Posted By: jhonelver
Subject: AIA M10
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 8:13am
Thinking about buying this AIA M10 rifle in .308 does anyone have experience with this rifle? Is it a good shooter? please share your experience. |
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 8:36am
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Be advised. This is NOT a Lee Enfield, Its a Vietnamese (IIRC) clone of it with almost zero interchangeable parts. It just looks like a no4. They are actually prohibited in the U.S. because of the nation of origin. Here's a detailed test review on them. https://www.gunmart.net/militaria/antique-weapons/antique-guns/aia-m10a1" rel="nofollow - https://www.gunmart.net/militaria/antique-weapons/antique-guns/aia-m10a1 ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: jhonelver
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 9:50am
How can you be so sure it is an Vietnamese clone? i know the controversy that not all AIA M10 were build in Australia but some were cloned in Vietnam and sold as. but please tell me how you can see the difference. besides that, i dont live in the US. so i do not have those weird prohibition laws. |
Shamu wrote:Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 10:04am
| You have a very impressive Enfield collection. I'm not sure this would compliment it. It was an interesting idea and I almost bought one when they first came out but they were $$$$. I could and did buy a nice full wood No4 and No5 for the same price at the same Gun Show. But, as always, if you like it, buy it! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 10:25am
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My point is that we do so our knowledge is limited. I believe the wood was sourced from N. Vietnam, all of it, & that's why there was a ban. I know of no way to tell which was which, like I said we can't get them so any knowledge we have is second hand. The other point was that ALL of them, no matter where made are dimensionaly different from legitimate Lee Enfield rifles. Because of that almost no parts or accessories are available that will fit them. Here's a review from elsewhere. I'm not trying to put it down, but you did ask for information & that's what this is, I'm sorry if its not what you wanted to hear. "Excerpt from a Canadian government document concerning the military's Small
Arms Replacement Project II (SARP 2):
13. A company based in Australia, Australian International Arms (AIA), markets a M10 No.4 Mk IV Modern Short Magazine Lee Enfield (SMLE) Rifle in 7.62mm NATO calibre. This rifle is a replica of the Lee Enfield but in appearance only. The cost of this rifle, less ancillaries is approximately $800.00 (Cdn). The CF technical authority for small arms, DSSPM 5, on 24 Jul 08 conducted an initial examination of the AIA rifle because in appearance it closely resembles the current Lee Enfield. The technical authority concluded that the rifle would not meet the Canadian Ranger’s requirement without significant modification and re-engineering because it is cheaply made. 14. The Australian International Arms M10 No 4 Mk IV SMLE Rifle fires a 7.62 x 51mm NATO cartridge and at first glance appears to meet the CF requirement as a replacement for the Canadian Ranger Rifle. The rifle is assembled from parts manufactured from throughout South-East Asia in locations such as as Viet Nam, Thailand (teak stocks) and Indonesia. The barrel is hammer-forged in Australia. The general assessment is that the rifle is accurate and attractively priced, but it was clearly designed for the civilian recreational shooting market and it is not a military product. Many parts of the rifle are cheaply made and would likely fail under testing." ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: jhonelver
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 10:53am
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well, now you are giving information that i can use. Thank you. I just don't need and really don't want any US or Canadian law lesson. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 11:23am
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Contact Marstar.ca
They were a distributor of those FrankenEnfields at one time and should have all the information you desire...
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 11:30am
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Posted By: jhonelver
Date Posted: April 25 2022 at 11:56am
You are right, my apologies.
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Posted By: Enfield Envoy
Date Posted: February 17 2026 at 8:14am
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There is still another memory... . Let's search it as first.. ------------- Enfield Envoy |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 17 2026 at 1:15pm
| this is a really old thread - im not sure how much is currentlyrelavant save what shamu noted , i will note that i dont understand the canadians refering to it as an SMLE in both point 13 &14 as the no4 style rifle was not an SMLE |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: February 17 2026 at 2:19pm
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I saw one of these rifles in a gun store in Florida a few years ago. It was big money per the price tag and I did not even look at it. |
Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: February 18 2026 at 12:38am
One small correction A square, Canadians involved in collecting and shooting milsurps, especially the Lee Enfield family of rifles are quite knowledgeable about them, it's the Canadian government that is profoundly ignorant of firearms, y'know the people who profess to know what's best for us.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 18 2026 at 10:21am
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The thing is, the Australian International Arms (AIA), isn't really a Lee-Enfield, or any other sort of Enfield! It's a poor monkey-see, monkey-do copy made in Vietnam. There's not on single part, not even a single screw, that interchanges with any real on ever made in any version. Its just a lookalike.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 18 2026 at 11:50am
| good point sapper , i should have been more specific , |
Posted By: Enfield Envoy
Date Posted: February 25 2026 at 6:36am
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I wouldn't "condemn the AIA"-Enfields" across the board", Shamu. A little research reveals quite a host of positive feedback. Please see: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/aia-no-4-mk-4-reviews.676849/" rel="nofollow - AIA No 4 Mk 4 Reviews? | Canadian Gun Nutz : And not to forget this tests, made by well-known people, see: https://web.archive.org/web/20110216050744/http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/tests.htm" rel="nofollow - aia I would also consider this information in the situation of the thread-starter, resp. others. And possibly even more.. Frome time to time a rarity can appear, suddenly, somewhere. Having too much optimism for the demand in the US is not a construction mistake.
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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: February 25 2026 at 7:41am
| This thread brings back memories. I havent seen any posts from that jhonlever fellow for a long time. If memory serves me, he had quite a collection of museum quality Enfields. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 25 2026 at 11:20am
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I wasn't condemning it. as it stands its a decent rifle. I was just clarifying its status as a "Lee-Enfield" for those unfamiliar with it. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 25 2026 at 3:12pm
| this rifle belongs in the "other" catagory with the faux rifles built by the importers gibbs , bannerman , etc that modified and renamed back in the day but dont show up anymore |
Posted By: Enfield Envoy
Date Posted: March 11 2026 at 7:17am
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The thing is, the Australian
International Arms (AIA), isn't really a Lee-Enfield, or any other sort of
Enfield! It's a poor monkey-see, monkey-do copy made in Vietnam: Well, that does not sound really
flattering, to me, Shamu. There's hardly anything positive.. It is precisely because the versatility of
this Enfield No. 4 impresses so many people that it has been revived so many
years after the original production was discontinued. This is a great compliment to the original design, not ? Largely replicated, partially
improved, updated. Yes, the interchangeability of most parts is missing, as authenticity and history – unfortunately for some – but for others this is less
important. Or even irrelevant... The mere appearance of such a new edition
already arouses curiosity.. Added to this is another positive test report. One that is probably not so well known outside the German-speaking world. That's what I meant with my first post above. Therefore I try to summarise the essentials here, considering copyright. This test appeared in the VISIER 11/2005, page 27-31. By using only a few
keywords: Appearance: At first
glance, the AIA No.4 Mk4 Classic rifle looks like a new British No.4 Mk I
Enfield. And the AIA M10 A-1 Jungle carbine looks almost like a legendary No.5
Mk I Jungle carbine. However, there are some differences in the rifles, which
are completely remanufactured by AIA in Brisbane. The light grey phosphating of
all metal parts, the very quick barrel change thanks to a patented Savage
barrel change system. Well-crafted, light teak wood for the stocks. All parts are
said to have been milled from solid blocks. In terms of workmanship, the two
test rifles deserve a ‘very good’ rating when measured against the standards of
a service weapon. Remark: a rare compliment in this magazine.. Function, bolt action: The
bolt continues to function as a bolt tensioner and, of course, has differently
designed bolt heads. He's now even quicker to remove than the original. The
extractor and ejector have also been redesigned. There is no longer a loading
strip milling on the left receiver-side. The triggers have a clearly noticeable pressure
point and a dry trigger pull without any scratches. The open sights with a
fixed rear sight and two flaps have pleasantly small diopter holes that are
well suited for the UIT target at 100 metres. The new magazine is the one from the M14-Rifle. Clever. Accessories: I will deliberately leave these aside in favour of the visit to the shooting range. Range-Report: The No.4 Mk4-Rifle capable of all .308 Win.-Ammo, obviously, was with totally 5 Reloads and 7 factory-loads tested And with a Leapers-Scope 6x24-50 with Mil-Dot-Reticle. The Handloads had all either a Lapua Scenar 167 gr-HPBT or a Sierra 168 gr-Matchking-projectile. They reached 5-shot-groups at 100 m between 18 and 34 mm resp. 0,708 and 1,338 inches. Their muzzle-velocities varied from 786-809 meters per second or 2578-2654 f/s. Using 5 different powder-types. The factory-ammo varied from 123 to 180 grs in bullet-weight. The lightest was the Lapua-Trainer, the 155 gr the Lapua Scenar and the only 168 gr-round here the Sellier-Match. Their groups reached 24-90 mm size, or 0,944 to 3,543 inches. The MV's varied from 2490 to 3044 f/s or 759 to 928 m/s. The rifle worked unproblematic. Testers were impressed by this accuracy. More details via PM, if necessary. The two testers described three notable features. The bolt was unusually difficult to operate. The strong magazine-feather pressed the feeder against the bolt. Correctable IMHO. The feeder blocks now after the last shot the bolt, perhaps annoying, depending on discipline, shooting-program. That is a construction-change. The high trigger on the No.4 Mk4 pull did not necessarily promote accuracy; on the carbine, it was almost 1 kilo lower. Manufacturing tolerances. Also correctable IMHO - today. Some would have liked to try out a No. 4 Mk4, also in comparison with a No. 4 Mk I/II. Me and others.. As far as i know there were once offered in Germany. By Waffen Schumacher OHG, Krefeld. The price: a No.4 Mk4 costed then 1070 Euro, the M10-A1-carbine in caliber 7,62 x 39 mm M43 960 Euro.
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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 11 2026 at 7:57am
| Sounds like a interesting rifle. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 11 2026 at 10:33am
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Till you need a part or accessory!  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 11 2026 at 1:02pm
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This is true! Does it take a bayonet? Must be a real tank stoped in some peoples mind. Able to shoot down airplanes. No one needs a gun like that! |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 11 2026 at 4:25pm
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If nothing else, it’s interesting that someone wanted to copy/redesign the No. 4 and sell it commercially. I wonder how many were sold? This is similar to what the CMP is doing in the US, making new production M1 rifles, but these are faithful reproductions and are per the original design and use many USGI/commercial repro parts. It’s really only the receiver and bolt that is new manufacture. They are even legal for use in the M1 Garand matches (but of course they would be, CMP is making the new M1 rifles and they make the match rules too!). |
Posted By: Enfield Envoy
Date Posted: March 16 2026 at 6:58am
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[QUOTE=britrifles]If nothing else, it’s interesting that someone wanted to copy/redesign the No. 4 and sell it commercially. I wonder how many were sold? This is similar to what the CMP is doing in the US, making new production M1 rifles, but these are faithful reproductions and are per the original design and use many USGI/commercial repro parts. It’s really only the receiver and bolt that is new manufacture. They are even legal for use in the M1 Garand matches (but of course they would be, CMP is making the new M1 rifles and they make the match rules too!). Good contribution, Britrifles  I promise, asap I will find an answer to your question concerning the sales figures of the "AIA-Enfields".  ------------- Enfield Envoy |