Sht Le Markings
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Topic: Sht Le Markings
Posted By: csmiffy
Subject: Sht Le Markings
Date Posted: March 04 2023 at 3:59pm
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hey Everyone. While i have a couple of Enfields i don't really think I have too much special. I do have a Siamese No1 mk 3 but nearly all the markings have been buffed off and you can only just make out the tigers head on the wrist. This one however is probably the most unique even if it has been typically modified as per Aussies and Kiwis (especially us kiwis) would do to turn into sporters. 1904 SHT Le mk1. Anyone help with the stamps etc? Suggest the SA means South Australia? No asterisks after the no1 either. What was the meaning of those?  |
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 3:04pm
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Asterisks were notification of minor mods or upgrades not worthy of a new Mk# being issued. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 4:39pm
| not a bad thing , just an upgrade to current standards as the system allowed |
Posted By: csmiffy
Date Posted: March 05 2023 at 11:19pm
 I must apologize. I thought I'd done the other photos. It only looked like one but because it was under consideration by admin, I thought maybe it was OK.       |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 11:54am
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Sporterised & so devalued, to Collectors. But maybe a good shooter. That early magazine with the little lever is rare. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 1:11pm
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Yep prolly (SA=South Australia) which would be the 4MD. Australian Government Ownership (D with broad arrow inserted) pre 1920’s Looks like a 1913 BSA barrel. Enfield Butt Roundel. ER VII proofed action. The big X with lined bar thru it above the ER is a sold out of service marking,prolly sometime before WW2. And yep I would’ve grabbed that one too!! Nice sporter & a good find.  Cheer’s
------------- Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨 |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 6:36pm
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The big X with a bar is a pair of Broad arrows facing each other. The broad arrow was a property mark, so the first one denoted military property & the second Negates it. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: scottz63
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 8:24pm
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That looks like an easy return to Military configuration. Forearm, handguards, front cap, and a barrel band. ------------- 14EH AIT Instructor-PATRIOT Fire Control Enhanced Operator/Maintainer |
Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 8:35pm
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Out of curiosity is there any stamp marking on the left wrist of the action,around the safety spring? & could a photo of the area be taken if possible thanks. Cheer’s. ------------- Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨 |
Posted By: terrylee
Date Posted: March 06 2023 at 11:47pm
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This is how the rifle looked originally.   |
Posted By: csmiffy
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 12:15am
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Nothing really on the wrist. Couple of letters on the left side of the bolt. Maybe end. Crap time of night to take a picture and had to resize it so have another go tomorrow. Are the rear sight blades available? The notch has had a file to it to more of a V. Probably better for my older eyes anyway but still not right.
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 9:02am
| i notice it has its original bolt head [creates he right half of the charging bridge ] and its original rear sight [with the bone inserts] but its missing its cutoff , would have thought that might be of value as a sporter , |
Posted By: Marco1010
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 11:40am
| The earlier bolt head with the beveled slide is a rare find, only need to find the missing lug that fits it to make it workable for charger loading again. Earlier sight with the bone insets is nice too. graduated for earlier ammunition. I'm about 90% of the way through a restore project on one myself, only missing the correct nose cap. These very old parts are particularly rare these days. |
Posted By: csmiffy
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 11:42am
| Marco I have a cut off from a destroyed action.it was going on another rifle and it still might. havent decided yet. |
Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 2:48pm
Just out of curiosity was wondering what type of cut/off,maybe a photo of the bottom side of CO if possible,it’s just a side hobby of mine. Thanks. Cheer’s. ------------- Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨 |
csmiffy wrote:Posted By: Marco1010
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 4:30pm
| Thanks for the offer of the cut-off. However I have one. I'm on the lookout for the front nosecap and some volley sights. Just have to have patience........ |
Posted By: Marco1010
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 4:31pm
| If you find a sliding slug guide that goes on the bolt head, be warned there are two versions with differing retainer screws. I found out the hard way..... |
Posted By: scottz63
Date Posted: March 07 2023 at 4:42pm
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So, the "original rear sight [with the bone inserts]". That is actual bone in the side of the sight slide? ------------- 14EH AIT Instructor-PATRIOT Fire Control Enhanced Operator/Maintainer |
Posted By: Marco1010
Date Posted: March 08 2023 at 11:34am
| Bone (animal) inserts on the range slide were specified as supposedly they were less slippery when you had mud / blood etc on your hands. They were in some cases on the trails rifles elephant ivory. nice little domed inserts with a checkered pattern cut onto the surface. Later on these were deemed to be unnecessary and when the rear sight was redesigned, a simple steel pattern was adopted. |
Posted By: scottz63
Date Posted: March 08 2023 at 11:44am
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Very neat. Thanks! ------------- 14EH AIT Instructor-PATRIOT Fire Control Enhanced Operator/Maintainer |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 09 2023 at 11:28am
| i know you were given some info above regarding BSA made but the wrist clearly shows it to be ROF ENFIELD made rifle 1904 |
Posted By: csmiffy
Date Posted: March 09 2023 at 10:24pm
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Right so what does ROF mean? Yup heard about 2 different sliding guides, so that means 2 different bolt head lugs?
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Posted By: Marco1010
Date Posted: March 11 2023 at 12:11am
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ROF = Royal Ordinance Factory - Fazackerley. bold head slides are all one size. the difference is the sliding slug has a retaining screw on the front face, there are two different retaining screws with different size threads.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 11 2023 at 1:56pm
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ROF = Royal Ordinance Factory, yes absolutely. Fazackerley, not really. There were several ROF's of which Fazakerly was just one. It came on line just before WW2 & IIRC never made a single No1 rifle of any type. ROF Fazakerley was a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ordnance_Factory" rel="nofollow - Royal Ordnance Factory rifle manufacturing plant in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fazakerley" rel="nofollow - Fazakerley , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool" rel="nofollow - Liverpool , which manufactured https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_arms" rel="nofollow - small arms such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sten_submachine_gun" rel="nofollow - Sten and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_submachine_gun" rel="nofollow - Sterling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROF_Fazakerley#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROF_Fazakerley#cite_note-2" rel="nofollow - [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROF_Fazakerley#cite_note-3" rel="nofollow - [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submachine_gun" rel="nofollow - submachine guns and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Enfield" rel="nofollow - Lee–Enfield rifle during and after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II" rel="nofollow - World War II . ROF Fazakerley and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROF_Maltby" rel="nofollow - ROF Maltby were established before World War II to increase arms production facilities in areas less vulnerable to aerial attack. The main https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Small_Arms_Factory" rel="nofollow - Royal Small Arms Factory for rifle manufacture was in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfield,_London" rel="nofollow - Enfield, London . ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 12 2023 at 1:26pm
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FAZ made the no4 & no5 rifles not the SMLEs [no1s] as shamu said ROF = Royal Ordinance Factory, yes , but it was ENFIELD |
Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: April 08 2023 at 2:28am
| Page 53 of of Lance Lysiuk's book "A Collector's View The SMLE - Rifle, Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield 1903-1989" has pictures and descriptions of the No.1 and No.2 bolt heads. In his book the No.1 bolt head is unmarked while the No.2 bolt head simply has a '2' stamped on top although I have seen a No.2 bolt head with broad arrow and inspection stamps on it. |