Identification
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Topic: Identification
Posted By: FFRICH307
Subject: Identification
Date Posted: June 05 2023 at 12:26pm
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 6:40am
| Not seeing any photo's... |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 7:19am
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Thanks for the response. I’m having some issues loading up the photos. ------------- Rich |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 7:23am
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Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 7:27am
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Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 7:28am
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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 8:50am
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Yea, attached photos not working. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 3:10pm
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You really should try to give us a "full" pic of your rifle. It would help us greatly. ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 3:32pm
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 6:39pm
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Its a sporterised SMLE, AKA Rifle No 1 Mk III* & I think the barrel is cut, making a return to "as was" condition a hard row to hoe. It was completely overhauled to 80% of "like New" condition at some point (FTR stamp) It
was originally a military arm (the "royal Cypher) crown, but was sold
into the civilian market later (The "BNP", Birmingham Nitro Proof, not "DNP", that's a bad
stamping) was a requirement for rifles sold into the civilian market in the U.K. In original condition it would have looked like this (except for the fancy rear "Target" sight, which is a later civvvy add-on..  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: June 07 2023 at 7:31pm
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Definitely look’s like it’s been shortened as mentioned above,looks like the inner barrel band was removed too can’t make it out (see it etc) meaning if so the barrel is free floated to the fore stock & held in place by the (King Screw=big front screw on the trigger guard assembly.) The original barrel looks to have been replaced with a standard 1940 (broad arrow 40) in the photo during the FTR process. A nice truck sporter carbine now  Cheer’s. ------------- Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨 |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 08 2023 at 5:21am
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Wow, thanks for the information, I bought this rifle over 40 years ago from a friend. Does anybody have an idea about the value? Is it worth anything? ------------- Rich |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 08 2023 at 8:37am
| originally made at ROF Enfield as mkIII* in 1919 |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 08 2023 at 11:04am
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It will vary by area ,condition is important too. Basically $150-250. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 08 2023 at 5:29pm
| there is a sales forum in this sit if that i s what you are looking for - just dont allow sales till you have been here a while , looking to weed out those that are just wanting to sell , we all are interested we just dont need those looking for a sales platform that is not what we are about here we are an information platform , if it helps you sale we are fine with that - somewhere else - unless its something a member might want [seldom when its been altered ] |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 08 2023 at 6:03pm
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No, I was just wanting some information on the rifleman how much it was worth ------------- Rich |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 08 2023 at 7:41pm
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ok , i was just getting that feeling , no offense meant , we here love to provide info
we spent a lot of time and effort learning bthis , we enjoy sharing what we know , its what this site is all about ,
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Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: June 10 2023 at 4:19am
| The star in an oval stamped on the Knox form indicates rust or damage in the barrel. |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 10 2023 at 5:52am
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No offense taken appreciate the help ------------- Rich |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 10 2023 at 5:55am
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Thanks for that info. I actually shot this rifle plenty of times, but then stored it for a couple years and when I went to the range, I was having some issues with the she!! getting jammed, I sent it over to the gunsmith to find out why and he told me there was a lot of rust buildup and had to clean it up so I’m assuming he may have put a stamp there Thanks Rich ------------- Rich |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 10 2023 at 9:58am
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Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the star in a circle? There's something in the Knox, but it could be a Property mark or a sold out of service mark. Can you get a clear shot of it?
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: June 10 2023 at 2:28pm
No, that stamp was placed there at an Army Ordnance Depot while the rifle was still in service a very long time ago.
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FFRICH307 wrote:Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: June 10 2023 at 2:28pm
Shamu, look closely at the third picture the OP posted.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: June 10 2023 at 4:19pm
That is a D inside a circle and it is typically used to identify a Draw Lapped barrel...
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 10 2023 at 5:48pm
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I'm honestly seeing half a circle with mush inside it. We need a clear shot of that mark. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: June 11 2023 at 3:22am
Hopefully the OP will take a better picture of the top of the Knox form.
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Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 11 2023 at 6:06am
------------- Rich |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 11 2023 at 6:07am
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Definitely looks like a D ------------- Rich |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 11 2023 at 8:55am
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Definitely a "D", Draw Lapped, not rust. The problem with the star indicating rust in chamber or bore is 2 fold. Firstly its similar to the struck out Broad arrow, Indicating sold out of service, which is 2 Broad arrows facing each other like this -><- (best I can do with keyboard graphics, but you get the idea) but larger than this * star. Secondly it may indicate it once did have rust, but its also possible the rusted part was replaced but the mark not erased!
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: June 11 2023 at 12:59pm
Yup! Definitely a D, apologies to the OP for any concern I might have raised. Coincidentally, last week one of the young RO's at my range who also shares an interest with Lee Enfields proudly showed me his just purchased No.1 MkIII and exclaimed what a good deal he got on it considering it had the * stamp on the knox form showing that it had the longer bolt lug installed (bless his heart!).
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Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 11 2023 at 2:51pm
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No worries it’s all good, didn’t realize all those markings meant something. It’s a great rifle I love shooting it. Rich ------------- Rich |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 11 2023 at 6:41pm
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" the * stamp on the knox form showing that it had the longer bolt lug installed (bless his heart!)." Ask him if had been just "Nitro Proofed", NP or "BRITISH Nitro Proofed", BNP at the higher pressure rating for MkVII ammo.
 ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 12 2023 at 7:22am
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Couple more shots   ------------- Rich |
Posted By: SGonger
Date Posted: June 12 2023 at 7:32am
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(Santa Fe carbine rebarrel) & that explains everything & a yep good looking truck rifle now. Cheer’s.
------------- Anyone seen the Tardis Box anywhere? 🤨 |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 12 2023 at 8:40am
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North Carolina deer gun. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: June 12 2023 at 9:46am
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Golden State Arms Santa Fe Division out of Pasadena California was notorious for Sporterizing alot of various military rifles back in the 1960’s FFRICH307 and you are the current owner of one of those. They are not worth a whole lot but still fit nicely into any collection of sporterized military rifles. They make for excellent "Brush Guns" here in Arizona as well. Use it, keep it cleaned and oiled and that rifle will outlast you...
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Posted By: FFRICH307
Date Posted: June 12 2023 at 10:15am
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------------- Rich |