Help with ID please
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Topic: Help with ID please
Posted By: Jason
Subject: Help with ID please
Date Posted: August 23 2023 at 9:58am
| I inherited an Enfield. Numbers are 19C3200 with a big 5 or an S below it and 1942 below that. Also there is NO4mk1*F(FTR)48. Also US Property and England stamped on it. It’s a bit confusing. |
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Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: August 23 2023 at 1:41pm
Not too confusing. Savage made No.4 rifles for the brits during WWII and to get around Lend-Lease restrictions stamped Savage made rifles with "U.S. Property" with a nod and a wink, not expecting to get them back. Both Long Branch in Canada and Savage Arms in the United States made a slightly different version of the No.4 rifle: the No.4 MkI*. The rifle underwent an FTR (Factory Thorough repair" in 1948. The rifle was re-imported into the United States and because of the Gun Control Act of 1968 all military rifles imported into the U.S. had to have the caliber and country of manufacture stamped somewhere on the rifle. Ignorant people, believing any and all 'Lee Enfield' just HAD to be built in England erroneously stamped an American made rifle with 'England'. I've seen Australian and Canadian made rifles stamped 'England' also.
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Jason wrote:Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 25 2023 at 8:18pm
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The big "S" or "5" is the trademark of Savage-Stevens in "Chicopee falls. Ma". This is confirmed by the "C" in the serial number. It would have looked like this at the time of issue. Many were modified into "Sporting Rifles" after the war, but that's not a Factory thing.   ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Jason
Date Posted: August 26 2023 at 7:29am
| Wow. Thanks for the info both of you. I inherited it from my dad. I remember it being sporterized when I was young. My dad turned in the bayonet to the police because he was misinformed about the laws concerning them. I just did a light refinish on the blueing and the stock. Also picked up a scope mount for it from Bad Ace Tactical. It’s going to be a beautiful deer rif with a lot of history. |
Posted By: Jason
Date Posted: August 26 2023 at 9:26am
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 26 2023 at 12:54pm
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There's nothing wrong with a good sporter unless a perfectly sound rifle was chopped to make one nowadays, they are getting rarer & they aren't making them any more. Back in the day, or with a somehow damaged set of wood IMO its still fine. Here's my No5 "Goobermint Model Sporter." The semi-flush "5 round magazine" is one of the Japanese made ones for Santa Fe   ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Jason
Date Posted: August 26 2023 at 1:00pm
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Any idea what the Z was from on the brass butt plate? |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: August 28 2023 at 4:12am
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Welcome to the forum. Great to have a family owned rifle. Please share some photos of it. ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |