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Topic: Where to buy a 1907 Bayonet
Posted By: edteach
Subject: Where to buy a 1907 Bayonet
Date Posted: September 04 2023 at 5:21pm
I wanted a bayonet to go with my SMLE. Mine is marked broad head arrow in a D. I believe that is an Australian mark. Not sure if I should go for an Australian version or just a m1907.  What do these go for? I heard that there are some rare ones that are worth more. From what I have seen on eBay they sell for around 100 dollars give or take a bit. Thanks for any guidance.



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Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 2:59am
Yes, the broad arrow in a D was used to denote Australian ownership from around 1910 up to WWII.  You didn't mention if you have a scabbard.  A quick perusal of ebay shows bayonets with scabbards have asking prices of between $229 and $285.


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 7:00am
You can try local gun shows.

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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 1:38pm
Buy a bayonet on-line, and secure it to the rifle and then stab stuff. That is the only safe way to use that SMLE IMHO...


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 1:52pm
Tongue He's right you know!




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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 2:05pm
Let me help you out a bit.Thumbs Up
In Service, bayonets were never "matched", you had "rifle "A", They had a bayonet "B" from Gawd knows where, but it is the right fitting for Rifle "A".
They loaned it to you.
(U.K. squaddies never "owned a Rifle", it was generously loaned to you by Her Britannic Majesty, so you could Defend The Realm as a Duty"), something your NCO would pointedly remind you of if you messed up with one somehow! Trust me I wuz one of They.Evil Smile

This makes your life much easier because you can have any Pat 1907 bayo & its perfectly "correct"!
The ones retaining the "hookie" are worth much more because HM.GOV in it infinite wisdom took tens of thousands of them & ground it off. Survivors are rare & so expensive.

If its a Pat '07 & there's no Hook, go for it! If you really want to create a period rifle (nothing wrong with that) The SMELLIE was in service for many decades, you just need to pick one & stick with it. If its a MkIII, or a MK III* would limit you a little though.



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 3:50pm
as shamu said it was a supply chain thing - if it was in supply they issued it and they might have come from anywhere in the realm that was producing them , you actually can attach any P1907 and actually any P1903 as well but the 03 is the short one that was for the earlier rifles pre SMLE era , 

if , on the other hand you like things matched you can look for an ausie marked version - this limits you a lot in what you might easily find in affordable range , these will often be of WWII vintage tho in my experience here in the states , 

if you like to date match the rifle and accessories - very unlikely occured in supply chain , you limit yourself even more but its a fun search , in this case you can go by era - a very early rifle would need one without the clearing hole later rifles would want one with that added or manufactured that way , details , bayonet collectors would notice , 

then there are those that need a specific maker and that really limits your search but it can be very fun as well , there are some eras when bayo production does not match rifle production tho , 

i have a hookie - 1910 mole mfgr and will attest to they being the expensive vavarient of these - expect to pay ten fold for a real one - warning there are fakes out there [ https://www.by-the-sword.com/p-12489-british-1907-smle-no1-mkiii-bayonet-sheath.aspx?gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwo9unBhBTEiwAipC111uHqcyXbKnmKGbB9vnANKETu4lQ26kjJD4IbvchC4MYP60r" rel="nofollow - https://www.by-the-sword.com/p-12489-british-1907-smle-no1-mkiii-bayonet-sheath.aspx?gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwo9unBhBTEiwAipC111uHqcyXbKnmKGbB9vnANKETu4lQ26kjJD4IbvchC4MYP60r ] - and they would only be period correct to WWI and before as the removal order was 1915 IIRC without looking it up , id not part with mine ....well over $1500 to consider it as id never find anther in my lifetime and i have a mkIII it lives with these days , 

but ive digressed ......you can find the bayos in that $110+ range bot mostly without scabbard as mentioned above , expect to pay more for the set - condition will always drive the price , 


one dealer i trus is -  https://oldguns.net/catedw.php" rel="nofollow - https://oldguns.net/catedw.php
isnt listing one at the moment but ask - john might have one not listed on his page - he gets things in all the time and takes time to get them up on the site , he always treated me well , 
 
WARNING - the pattern 1914/model 1817 will not fit your rifle they are for the pattern 1913/14 [no3] and model 1917 rifles  and trench shotguns , they look the same but have two cross cuts in the grip scales to differentiate at a glance , 



Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by edteach edteach wrote:

I wanted a bayonet to go with my SMLE. Mine is marked broad head arrow in a D. I believe that is an Australian mark. Not sure if I should go for an Australian version or just a m1907.  What do these go for? I heard that there are some rare ones that are worth more. From what I have seen on eBay they sell for around 100 dollars give or take a bit. Thanks for any guidance.
It would be date matched to that SMLE of yours...


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 6:07pm
Is the rifle a Lithy?
If so then probably as I don't see many Brit made ones gong to "Down Undah"?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: edteach
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 6:13pm
It seems they are running around 170 to 200 give or take. I guess I will keep an eye out on eBay.


Posted By: edteach
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 6:42pm
I ended up buying this one. A wilkinson. Seems to be in nice condition. 


Posted By: edteach
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 6:45pm
A few more photos




Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 8:10pm
thats a keeper - very nice condition , congrats 

later WWI with the clearing hole added , nice original scabbard - if im seeing correctly it has the earlier almond shaped stud for the frog , the later ones were round buttons , 

does nit appear to have been sharpened - thats great - and the finish looks good as well , wilkinnson made a lot of them but they mage very nice ones , you did well , the grip scales are in excellent condition and do not appear to be replacements , keep a littly light oil on the push button stud , that assembly is prone to getting a little sticky , 


for what its worth my mkIII is a brit BSA made rifle in 1915 , but its also marked to the ausie 3MD so it served in both world wars and its home guard service in OZ might have been its last service but the hookie looks right on the rfle to me as it probably was issued with one , 
i think you did the right thing seeking out what you found for it as the D-arrow would not have dictated the bayonet issue , that would have depended on what was in stores and some of those might well have had blood on them from previous service , everything got reused once deemed serviceable , 


Posted By: edteach
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 8:16pm
Is this Wilkinson related to the company that made the crossed sword shaving double edge razors?


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 8:18pm
yes , and yes they made swords too 






Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 8:26pm
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Is the rifle a Lithy?
If so then probably as I don't see many Brit made ones gong to "Down Undah"?
It is a SSA peddled scheme rifle...



Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 05 2023 at 8:41pm
FWIW in WWI that may have been more the case but a lot of brit ones went there in WWII as well as US made and canadians for both front line and homeguard , the ausies were producing the P07 bayos in WWII but since only BSA were producing the mkIII* rifles in those years the bayo production had  shifted to no4 spikes ,

that goes for both rifles and bayonets ,  there was a very real threat to austrailia in the second go round , 

im not overly familiar with production in OZ for their bayonets , i do know they were a major producer in WWII as most other commonwealth were into the no4 production of rifles and bayonets - except india of course but i often overlook and fail to mention them in discussions , 

the far right one in my photo was a lithy P07 dated to 42 and it has post war scales after re-arsenal , not sure whay they did that then released them from service ....but they did 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 06 2023 at 10:43am
Nice score, very similar to mine. Your scales are in better condition though.
A word of advice don't be tempted to sharpen it! Originals were NOT sharpened & you'll trash collector value if you do.

Mine was kind of ratty when I got it but a couple of light, don't overdo it, coats of Neatsfoot oil to replace what had dried out & then some black Kiwi shoe polish & it looks much better.
The scabbard looks good too! Now all you need is a nice frog. (belt attachment). The canvas "37" is fine, but if you want a bit of extra pzaz you could get a good leather reproduction. Research the details though if you go that route there are some "fantasy" ones out there.







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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 06 2023 at 7:00pm
thats a beautiful blade and scabbard set - love that frog - the look of the home guard in WWII , both min austrailia and briton 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 10:40am
Its a repro, I believe of a South African Cavalry or Light Horse style?



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 07 2023 at 7:23pm
i gathered that - my original was well worn and the buckle was near torn off , you can almost make it out on the left here - the other was well worn too but what i could find back in the day 





Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 8:30am
Yes that looks like the original they copied, pretty much.
I'm told by those far more expert than I, that there's some error with the rivets in some way, either position , size or quantity?
 


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 6:13pm
i cant say as i no longer have mine - if i did id check it but FWIW i like what you have very much , it will stand up well rest of our lives 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 08 2023 at 7:03pm
Oh yes. I like leather partly because with some minimum care it can last fore ever!
I've never outworn leather in a jacket, although I have outgrown one or two of them!Censored


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 12:13pm
The cost of a bayonet today is the price we played for a complete rifle ten to fifteen years ago.

How times have changed.


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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 1:12pm
I used to buy No4 spike bayonets/tent spikes at a store called Yellow Front. You could buy a dozen of them for $1.00


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 2:51pm
I remember those days.

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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 4:20pm


The British never saw a use for the bayonet, other than "Sticking it in the Hun"!
There's actually an old (B&W) Movie about the "Boffins,", the R&D guys in the background, where there's a running gag about it.
I think it was called "The Backroom Boys" or something similar?
The humorous releif behind a fairly serious look at development of Secret Weapons during a war, a bunch of "Guest Cameos" from 2 who are developing "The Most Superior Bayonet". It a kind of wacky "Swiss Army Bayonet" with more & more increasingly daft functions, every time it appears.
Finally the chief boffin loses it & bellows at them:
"Have you GENTLEMEN ever considered the ONLY thing "Tommy Atkins" wants to do with a bayonet is to open a can of bully beef"?Star
I am reminded of this every time I look at my No7, Mk1 with the swiveling pommel!
Big smile





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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 5:06pm
I saw bayonets in Basic Training. As I served in Armor and carried M1911A1 or a M3A1 subgun. No M16 for me.

Shortly before I finish my time I obtain a few AK bayonets for free. Shortly before coming home I was given a bayonet for a M16. 

I do like bayonets but never used one in the Army.


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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 09 2023 at 7:14pm
ive always been fond of the no7 - i think because it was basically a red headed step child with orphanages in its future , basicly parade and such in reality , if i still had one of mine - i had both the red and black version once , i would relegate it to my day pack as defence but mostly utility so thus ....they are gone , 

i have the one for my M16 and my M14 with the rifles and my hookie with my mkIII as well as my M17 with my trench gun , so ...i keep the FS with my day pack/go bag as utility 


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: September 10 2023 at 7:10am
The one bayonet I will never get rid of is my No7MkI/L...


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: September 10 2023 at 9:00am
Very cool!

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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 10 2023 at 6:11pm
glad to hear it if you knew how long it took to find that one you would think me crazy obsessed , but when one must have everything one follows the quest to the end - that was a very rewarding end , the red scales were easy to find back then , the black were so hard most folks never did find them , 



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