303 British Brass Options?
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Topic: 303 British Brass Options?
Posted By: HammerDown
Subject: 303 British Brass Options?
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 7:51pm
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The only brass offering I have seen or used for quite some time is PPU. Are there any other companies manufacturing 303 British brass currently?
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 3:54am
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I bought some R-P about a year ago. But, PPU is the best brass currently made. Grafs and Sons has it now.
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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 4:38am
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Agree. PPU is excellent brass.
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Posted By: HammerDown
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 8:37am
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I can't believe Starline does not make 303 Brit.
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Posted By: Dragunov
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 3:04pm
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[QUOTE=HammerDown]I can't believe Starline does not make 303 Brit.[/QUOTE
Starline has apparently had production issues since covid. So many things have been on seemingly permanent "temporary backorder" for years now. One thing that I did over the last two years was essentially advertise at the local gun shows. I had a friend that always did the local gun shows help me out. He let me put a 5"x8" card on his table letting others know I was interested in .303 brass, bullets and ammo. I received so many inquiries from people that had sold their Enfields or got out of reloading. Ultimately ended up with three .50cal ammo cans of items including extra die sets. Much of the factory ammo was purchased for less than $20/box. It pays to get the word out.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 3:16pm
HammerDown wrote:
I can't believe Starline does not make 303 Brit. |
With today's market of shooters who shoot the "flavor of the month", the .303 British cartridge is non-existent. Starline makes their money selling .308W, 6.5 Creedmoor, 223, 6mmBR and the like. PPU cases will last you years if reloaded correctly...
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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 3:35pm
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Hmmm... Maybe I'm paranoid, but when a company still blames covid for deficiencies, I've found it can just be an excuse they use to keep their inventories (costs) down on stuff that isn't their bread and butter. I'm ok with that. Free market and all. It's their business. I can usually find what I'm looking for elsewhere.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 3:45pm
Get the PPU its the bees knees. filing that if you can find any the HXP
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 3:50pm
Great idea!
------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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Posted By: martini1215
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 11:16am
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Sellier and Bellot is doing me well here as is the few hundred HXP I have. Others available in England are RG and of course PPU. I will admit I nurse my brass, if not originally fired in my rifle I anneal then full length size and trim the length after tumbling.After this its just neck sizing for 5 refills then trim again, annealing after 3 firings. I have very few problems with split cases and only used my broken case extractor once and that was someone elses gun and ammo. I was extremely lucky to get 6 bandoliers of HXP loaded in chargers.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 12:29pm
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Incredible amounts of ammo is being sent to Ukraine, US military stockpiles have been dwindling, so much of the US capability is going to military contracts.
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Posted By: Dragunov
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 1:58pm
britrifles wrote:
Incredible amounts of ammo is being sent to Ukraine, US military stockpiles have been dwindling, so much of the US capability is going to military contracts. |
I am hearing and reading the same thing. Yet yesterday I wandered down to a 275 table gun show in Vero Beach and saw a vendor with a pallet of 5.56 green tips for $10/bx and 9mm for $12/box. Both no limit. So I don't know what to make of it. All of the .303 was up there in price. Was $35 for old stock S&B to $43 for Hornady. Did buy a box of Fiocchi .455 for $45.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 2:07pm
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Think I read something north of 300 million rounds of small arms ammo has been sent to Ukraine from the US since Russia invaded.
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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 2:10pm
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I would have got the 455 for that price.
The 223 and 9 are a great price as well.
stack it deep as there is a long road ahead.
------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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Posted By: Dragunov
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 2:40pm
paddyofurniture wrote:
I would have got the 455 for that price.
The 223 and 9 are a great price as well.
stack it deep as there is a long road ahead. |
Agree....can't believe it hasn't happened by now. But soon enough will start enough. The Soros crowd thrive on creating chaos.
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 5:55pm
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i have stacked deep , was reminded how deep when i had to move four 50cal cans this morning ......my back is sore - trying t keep it in place for all the holiday preping we are doing and it came close today
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Posted By: HammerDown
Date Posted: December 12 2023 at 4:50pm
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I've been using Serbian HotShot ammo that was available from Century Arms International many years ago. I have 180gr soft point and 174gr FMJ. It's pretty stout stuff, with the 174's chronographing 2350 fps. Same as PPU only with a Cyrillic headstamp.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 12 2023 at 7:33pm
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2350 FPS is ideally where your reloads should be, or in that general vicinity. You will find that your accuracy will diminish with the higher volume of powder charges are concerned whereas you can improve the accuracy by keeping the powder charges close to if not duplicating the original load data. My personal accuracy load is 3grns under maximum charge weight using VihtaVuori N540 and the 174grn FMJBT resulting in an average FPS of 2340 with a plus or minus of 12 fps. My C.O.L. is 3.110". @ 200 yards this results in a ten shot group with a diameter of 1.475"...
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Posted By: HammerDown
Date Posted: December 12 2023 at 7:55pm
Sub MOA at 200 yards, with iron sights is some excellent shooting! I've used Varget and StaBall 6.5 to emulate factory loads. 180gr Remington Core Lokt @ 2375 fps. I really like the No.4 MkI sight picture and action, although the P14 is probably my favorite.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 12 2023 at 8:05pm
Those groups are made using my "Backyard Bubba'd" No4Mk1/2 made to resemble a Parker Hale Supreme No4... 
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Posted By: HammerDown
Date Posted: December 12 2023 at 8:35pm
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It looks like "Backyard Bubba" can get it done.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 13 2023 at 11:13am
Yes PPU/nny headstamped is good stuff.
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 15 2023 at 4:51am
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I’ve learned my lesson the hard way about using double based powders (that is Nitrocellulose and Nitroglycerin). They give great velocity and excellent accuracy. But not very temp stable and very hard on the throat.
I burned the throat out of two barrels in my AR in less than 1500 rounds, 600 yd accuracy went all to crap, then 300, then 200. I’m staying away from those double based ball powders like AA2520 and only use single based stick powders like Varget and the 100 series of VV powders. I won’t use the 500 series like N540. Lots of reports of very short barrel life with N540 even though it’s currently available and N140 is not (there’s a reason for this guys…).
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 15 2023 at 6:27am
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A combination of both increased muzzle velocities from near max charge weights to trigger the electronic targets that are set up at those long distances you choose to shoot at and barrels that are not built to last could be the reason for your shortened barrel life Geoff. The N540 powder is "Very versatile and Very temperature stable" which makes for an excellent hunting load. When used correctly with mild to midrange charge weights, the N540 will propel your choice of caliber down range with no issues. It is only when you load the N540 to near maximum charge weights that you run the risks of burning out the barrel, especially a .22-.25 caliber centerfire rifle barrel. (I personally know of an individual who junked a rifle barrel chambered for the .220 Swift using Varget. He wanted to duplicate the factory rated 4110 FPS of that bullet, and he burned the throat out in less than 750 firings using Varget.) I use the N540 for my .243W, .308W, and .303B for the simple reasons of not having to switch to a different powder for the different calibers and I both hunt and target shoot. Keeping the charge weight to 39.5grns for the .303 results in very mild recoil with an averaged FPS of 2355 while still maintaining its accuracy. Using the same 39.5grns for the .308W and the averaged FPS is mere 2305. The one and only issue I encountered using N540 for my .243W is when I chronographed a group of ten rounds that had been charged with 37.2grns of N540 which is 2.0grn below maximum charge weight. The averaged FPS was 3210 which is 140+ FPS faster than the printed data using the max charge weight. Dropping the charge weight to the minimum of 35.0grns still produced numbers exceeding 2850 FPS. I am using the 90grn OTM Scenar-L BTHP but decided to use the minimum charge weight of 35.5grns for the 90.0grn Sierra FMJ-BT and the averaged FPS stabilized at 2775 FPS. I have no doubt in my mind that had I kept shooting the rifle using the 37.2grns of N540 without doing my own load work up or, work down as my case implies, I would have burned that barrel out prematurely. My assumption is that if you were using N540 with your AR loads, you burned the barrel out by having near to max charge weights used. Again, just an assumption Geoff...
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 15 2023 at 6:51am
britrifles wrote:
I burned the throat out of two barrels in my AR in less than 1500 rounds. I won’t use the 500 series like N540. Lots of reports of very short barrel life with N540.
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I read the various comments from individuals regarding short barrel life when using the N540 and it was intresting to notice that most, if not all of those people seemed confused and did not understand why their barrels were junked so soon even when they openly admitted to running near to or maximum charge weights for their particular AR platform. It seemed to me that, just from observing the various comments that, these AR shooters were mainly in it to see just how fast they could get those rounds down range with a "Pray and Spray" mentality...
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 15 2023 at 7:14am
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Im sure there is some of that going on.
But many others who are accomplished mid and long range shooters found this out the hard way too, mostly in .308 Palma and F-Class match shooting, these guys are definitely not “pray and spray” types.
I think the detrimental effects of throat erosion can somewhat be mitigated by using reduced loads, although that typically means higher standard deviations with these powders. My own personal experience with Re15 and AA2520 taught me to stay away from double based powders.
Problem is though, that seems to be the ones that are currently available and my go to single based propellants are hard to find.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 15 2023 at 8:40am
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I have been using the VihtaVuori N540 going on 4 years now and have yet to discover any higher than normal deviations with reduced powder charges, especially when used for target shooting using the .243W. In fact, I had noticed a definitive incline in accuracy with the reduced charge weight. I have a reason to believe that the 6mm projectile is destabilizing at the 3200 FPS velocities and causing the adverse effects in accuracy. When I tested the N540 against IMR4064, IMR4895, and IMR3031 using 174grn .311 projectiles, I notated that reducing the N540 charge 1.5grns lower than the 39.5grns of the Improved Military Rifle powder produced significant gains in accuracy while maintaining a very stabilized FPS with a plus or minus of only 12-15 FPS which greatly improves the odds when hunting. The other advantage is that when used for deer hunting, you definitely are not going to erode the throat out of your rifles barrel using the N540 powder...
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 15 2023 at 2:22pm
Goosic wrote:
A combination of both increased muzzle velocities from near max charge weights to trigger the electronic targets that are set up at those long distances you choose to shoot at and barrels that are not built to last could be the reason for your shortened barrel life Geoff. My assumption is that if you were using N540 with your AR loads, you burned the barrel out by having near to max charge weights used. Again, just an assumption Geoff...
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Not the case. I don’t shoot the AR at long ranges.
As my post above said, I burned out two barrels on my AR shooting AA2520, which is a double based powder. It’s a simple fact that Nitroglycerin burns very hot. It was a mild load at modest velocity.
My long range .308 load is Varget, a single based powder that is far more temp stable than any double based powders. N540 is not very temp stable, long range shooters had to run a winter load a a summer load. This has been experimented on and well proven.
I won’t be putting any double based powders thru my LE’s, I need the barrels to last. Think of what Cordite did to LE barrels (which is a double based smokeless propellant).
My long range .308 Varget loads are exactly mid range in the load tables, not “near max charge weights”. I make it a point to stay away from max loads.
But, don’t take my word for it, you can find out the hard way too..as many others beside me have.
If you only shoot a few rounds a year, you won’t have to worry about it.
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Posted By: Rifleman 184
Date Posted: December 20 2023 at 1:15pm
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Still have a small stash of HXP 74 new ammo which I'm saving. a ton of HXP brass. I have loaded PPU and it works well. I have gone to annealing the neck/shoulder to reduce fatigue. No splits in ages.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 20 2023 at 5:18pm
That's the trick!
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 20 2023 at 5:18pm
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After 25 years of reloading, I rarely annealed cases. But, a year ago I decided to add that to my brass prep stage, every time. I got the Annealing Made Perfect machine, pricy, but haven't looked back.
Failure modes in .303 brass tends to be case head cracking, I rarely had split necks. This was almost exclusively Canadian WWII made Mk 7 cases that I reloaded. But, every other cartridge that I reloaded, the end of case life was because of cracks in the neck, particularly .223, .30-06 and .308. I now rarely encounter that problem. Attention to detail in the sizing process and annealing has resulted in very long brass life.
I can’t say for sure if accuracy is any better with annealing. It definitely changed bullet seating forces (neck tension). I had been using undersized expanders/mandrels on the sizing dies to account for the significant spring back that occurs after several reloads without annealing, so I had to change these back to standard size expanders/mandrels. It’s another variable in the reloading process that is just added to the ongoing debate.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 20 2023 at 5:20pm
I anneal every 3 firings. Once done it takes several to re harden to the point I feel its needed.
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 20 2023 at 5:58pm
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I think if you keep all your brass sorted and at the same number of reloads between annealing, it works just fine.
The AMP folks did extensive tests measuring neck hardness and it shows hardness increasing with each sizing and firing cycle (rather obvious perhaps). It was enough to convince me that there are only two consistent stable points in neck tension, after annealing or after a significant number of reloads, perhaps 6 or more. At that point, subsequent resizing does not increase neck hardness.
But, annealing is not as simple as you might think. Getting consistent results to obtain a fully annealed condition is tricky. How much inconsistent annealing affects accuracy is somewhat debatable, but Benchrest and F-Class shooters fret about it. Probably not measurable with a Lee Enfield, especially shooting in position with irons.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 21 2023 at 1:20am
britrifles wrote:
Goosic wrote:
A combination of both increased muzzle velocities from near max charge weights to trigger the electronic targets that are set up at those long distances you choose to shoot at and barrels that are not built to last could be the reason for your shortened barrel life Geoff. My assumption is that if you were using N540 with your AR loads, you burned the barrel out by having near to max charge weights used. Again, just an assumption Geoff...
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Not the case. I don’t shoot the AR at long ranges.
As my post above said, I burned out two barrels on my AR shooting AA2520, which is a double based powder. It’s a simple fact that Nitroglycerin burns very hot. It was a mild load at modest velocity.
My long range .308 load is Varget, a single based powder that is far more temp stable than any double based powders.
N540 is not very temp stable, long range shooters have had to run a winter load and a summer load. (This has been experimented on and well proven.)
I won’t be putting any double based powders thru my LE’s, I need the barrels to last. Think of what Cordite did to LE barrels (which is a double based smokeless propellant). My long range .308 Varget loads are exactly mid range in the load tables, not “near max charge weights”. I make it a point to stay away from max loads. But, don’t take my word for it, you can find out the hard way too..as many others beside me have. If you only shoot a few rounds a year, you won’t have to worry about it.
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You are getting your information from second hand information that you have read about regarding N540 from LR shooters. The same shooters that need to keep the velocities up to get the bullet down range post haste.
Every written testimonial about a burned out barrel came from a LR or F-Class "Bob Lee Swagger Shooter" that is firing more rounds down range on a weekend than your average shooter does in a year. Your comment "experimented on and well proven" is taken with a grain of salt.
I predominantly use the N540 for my .243W loads which are kept to a bare minimum in charge weight and have been tested between temperatures of 17°F and 117°F with no noticeable change in accuracy or pressure variances.
AR small bore calibers range anywhere from .204 Ruger to 6.8 SPC with the .223 Rem. being the most common and reloaders have a tendency to keep the bullet weights @ 55grns which even using a "mild" charge weight, the averaged FPS is still above 3000+ regardless if you use a single base or double based propellant. You will still burn the barrel out using a single based propellant, it just takes a little longer.
I use the minimum charge weight of 37.7grns when using N540 in my .308W chambered rifles and my chronographed FPS has been averaged out to 2246.
I use the minimum charge weight of 39.7grns for the .303B rifles and the chronographed FPS has been averaged out to 2377. Very respectable numbers for both calibers. Definitely not worried about throat erosion with those low FPS readings.
Even with the .243W, the FPS has been shown to stay consistently around 2799 with a plus or minus fluctuation of no more than 10-12 FPS.
Unless you have done your own research and verifications using N540 in a .243Win, .308W, and .303B chambered rifle such as I have, taking your word for it seems a little foolhardy.
All rifle barrels will eventually become useless if you keep firing enough rounds down range regardless of smokeless powder used...
Post Script: I took notice that you continuously shoot at distances between 500 and 1000 yards as often as possible and you NEED to keep the velocities up to trigger the electronic sensor on the target. You would therefore need to keep the charge weight closer to or right at the maximum charge weight to achieve the velocity to trigger those sensors. I can see where using a double based smokeless propellant will eventually burn a barrel out at those higher velocities but, I can see a single based smokeless propellant doing the same thing...
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 21 2023 at 4:18am
Goosic wrote:
You will still burn the barrel out using a single based propellant, it just takes a little longer.
All rifle barrels will eventually become useless if you keep firing enough rounds down range regardless of smokeless powder used...
Post Script: I took notice that you continuously shoot at distances between 500 and 1000 yards as often as possible and you NEED to keep the velocities up to trigger the electronic sensor on the target. You would therefore need to keep the charge weight closer to or right at the maximum charge weight to achieve the velocity to trigger those sensors. I can see where using a double based smokeless propellant will eventually burn a barrel out at those higher velocities but, I can see a single based smokeless propellant doing the same thing...
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Yup, those first two statements are indeed true.
Read again what I said my long range Varget load is, exactly at the published mid range charge weight. I’ve achieved the required velocity at the 1000 yd target by bullet selection, not by pumping up the powder charge. Muzzle velocities are modest with these loads, it’s the very low ballistic coefficient of the bullet that minimizes the velocity drop out to the target. And I don’t “continuously shoot between 500 and 1000 yards”, that is irrelevant anyway. The two barrels I burned out on my AR were from shooting at 200 and 300 yards. And these were not 50-55 grain bullets shot at at high velocity either, they were 69 and 80 grain bullets with mid-range loads.
Throat erosion occurs as a function of the cumulative amount of powder that is burned. And it takes less double based propellant than single based propellant to cause the same damage to the bore.
Think of what Mk 7 cordite does vs Mk7z NC powder. These are loaded with the same bullet at the same velocity. Cordite is a double based propellant and burns out the throat in probably less than 1/3 of the total number of rounds fired. N540 may not be as bad as Cordite, but the thermodynamic principles still apply. Double based propellants contain Nitroglycerin which burns hotter.
You won’t convince me I should use N540, and Im not telling anyone not to. I’m just explaining why I won’t use it in a Lee Enfield. I suppose if that was the only powder I had access to, I would use it. But I’ve put my AA2520 aside and don’t plan to use that powder either. I’ve got much better choices at my disposal.
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 21 2023 at 5:17am
britrifles wrote:
Goosic wrote:
You will still burn the barrel out using a single based propellant, it just takes a little longer.
All rifle barrels will eventually become useless if you keep firing enough rounds down range regardless of smokeless powder used...
Post Script: I took notice that you continuously shoot at distances between 500 and 1000 yards as often as possible and you NEED to keep the velocities up to trigger the electronic sensor on the target. You would therefore need to keep the charge weight closer to or right at the maximum charge weight to achieve the velocity to trigger those sensors. I can see where using a double based smokeless propellant will eventually burn a barrel out at those higher velocities but, I can see a single based smokeless propellant doing the same thing...
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Yup, those first two statements are indeed true.
Read again what I said my long range Varget load is, exactly at the published mid range charge weight. I’ve achieved the required velocity at the 1000 yd target by bullet selection, not by pumping up the powder charge. Muzzle velocities are modest with these loads, it’s the very low ballistic coefficient of the bullet that minimizes the velocity drop out to the target. And I don’t “continuously shoot between 500 and 1000 yards”, that is irrelevant anyway. The two barrels I burned out on my AR were from shooting at 200 and 300 yards. And these were not 50-55 grain bullets shot at at high velocity either, they were 69 and 80 grain bullets with mid-range loads.
Throat erosion occurs as a function of the cumulative amount of powder that is burned. And it takes less double based propellant than single based propellant to cause the same damage to the bore.
Think of what Mk 7 cordite does vs Mk7z NC powder. These are loaded with the same bullet at the same velocity. Cordite is a double based propellant and burns out the throat in probably less than 1/3 of the total number of rounds fired. N540 may not be as bad as Cordite, but the thermodynamic principles still apply. Double based propellants contain Nitroglycerin which burns hotter.
You won’t convince me I should use N540, and Im not telling anyone not to. I’m just explaining why I won’t use it in a Lee Enfield. I suppose if that was the only powder I had access to, I would use it. But I’ve put my AA2520 aside and don’t plan to use that powder either. I’ve got much better choices at my disposal.
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By no means at all am I trying to convince you to use the VihtaVuori N540 and I understand that nitroglycerin burns hot.
What I am merely suggesting is that if you do not use it on a regular basis and only have the testimonies of others and none of your own regarding its capabilities of burning down a rifle barrel in 1500 rounds or less, you would be wise to do less badmouthing the product and more actual research by using it for yourself. The one comment I focused on from a F-Class shooter was quoted as saying, "I was at a 3 Day shoot and my barrel was trashed before I had got past 1300 rounds out of it! It has to be because I used the 500 series VihtaVuori instead of sticking to the 100 series." 3 days and 1300 rounds? I know of a person that has owned their respective rifle for 50 plus years and have yet to put 150 rounds through it. It is not the powder, rather the shooter who is to blame for the short barrel life. Single or double based propellant will erode a barrel down to becoming useless if you are firing that rifle repeatedly and often, especially if you are trying to be as competitive with it as possible. Remember this Geoff. There are people that do not have the time or money to invest in weekend "Sport Shooting" and that includes being able to replace a junked barrel whenever. Those people shoot when time and money allows them to do so and with that, they take the necessary time to research their chosen bullet weight and propellant and then they sparingly use it to keep both theirself and equipment in check. Your comment, "I've got much better choices at my disposal." is great, for you. Not so much for the shooter that can only afford 1 brand, such as VihtaVuori, which is currently a bargain brand propellant. I have said this before and it bears repeating. You do you and let others do them...
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 21 2023 at 3:17pm
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Any barrel, with any powder will eventually wear out. It was pretty much Voodoo when exactly under what circumstances until the arrival of "poor man budget" available bore-scopes. Now we can actually see what was previously "shiny, it must be clean, & so good. Its a really humbling experience the first few times. Bores that hone like a mirror have gouges & other stuff in them & seeing them at fairly high magnification is a learning experience!
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 21 2023 at 4:07pm
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What surprised me was the sudden loss in accuracy at 600 yds when the throat erodes. I never trash a barrel based on a throat measurement or a borescope inspection. Accuracy on the target is the sole discriminator. After about 1400 rounds, I noticed 600 yard groups had doubled in size. Then 300 yard groups increased, then 200 yds. Ugly 4 MOA groups. I puzzled with this, talked to many very experienced service rifle shooters and decided to change the barrel. Well, my groups were cut in half and life was good again.
Then, 1400 to 1500 rounds later on the second barrel it happened again! That’s when I did extensive research on double based powders. I then switched to H4895 for my service rifle. Barrel #3 is going strong, at 3600 rounds now, and still shoots MOA at 600x.
I’m not making this up guys. I learned my lesson. If you don’t believe me that double based propellants burn hot, put a few thousand rounds of Mk 7 ammo thru your LE then see how it shoots (don’t do it).
I used to use Re 15 with my No. 4. I shot quite a bit of it, perhaps 1500 rounds. I wished I had not, I suspect most of the throat erosion was done with that powder. This is the rifle that now has a whopping 1/2 inch jump to the lands and no longer shoots well, need a new barrel. The first three inches of the bore looks like an alligator.
Well, I’ve said enough, I just wanted to spare anyone here of learning the hard way, especially with a LE were NOS barrels are no longer found.
And of course, if you’re shooting a few rounds a year, don’t worry about it. But if you’re shooting hundreds a year, worry about it.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 21 2023 at 5:54pm
"The first three inches of the bore looks like an alligator. " THIS!
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 03 2024 at 3:48am
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I was aware of the 2520 recall and checked my stock and was not from this lot.
I’ve read about others who had a similar experience using 2520. It was at one time used by many shooters in the M1A in Service Rifle matches (.308 Win) and Accurate nicknamed it the “Camp Perry” powder. Well, not many Service Rifle shooters use it now! I think the key factor is how much rapid fire strings you shoot. This just came up on the thread from SW28fan on Accurate 2700.
I had bought 32 lbs of that stuff too…
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