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Topic: Practice match at 200m
Posted By: Zed
Subject: Practice match at 200m
Date Posted: February 08 2025 at 11:52am
So today I shot a practice competition, to ISR rules, but shot at 200m.
I participated in two classes, standard pre1960 military rifles and Service Match rifle.
I used the Resistance No4 Mk1 in the standard class and the No1 MkIII* in the Match class, using a PH 5a dioptre.
Not having shot at 200m since last summer, and using a new powder as well. I was just out to try and set up the rifles for the main competition that is next month.
I obviously don't shoot enough, but I was reasonably happy with the results. It was quite cold today; just 1°C when I left home and around 4° when we shot.
I shot 60-63-74 with the No 4, 
The No1 shot 66-77-68. I messed up a few on the last series.
Obviously not anywhere near a winning score, but great fun to get out and have some practice!



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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 08 2025 at 12:30pm
Glad to see you got out Shaun.

I’m not very familiar with the rifle classes you shoot. Presumably the “Service Match” rifle is a WWI or II service rifle with fully adjustable  “match” type rear sights, as in UK NRA SR(b) rules?  I wish we had such a class here, such a rifle would be put into the F-Class category. 





Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 3:59am
For the Tir Armes Reglementaire or TAR.  It's rifles that have been in Service in at least one country. There are a few classes.
Standard bolt action.
Modified ( dioptre) and Sniper version with original type scope.
Semi auto large calibre and semi auto small calibre.
These are at 200 metres. The 10 is 8cm diameter 
Then we have Military Training rifles at 50 metres.

The ISR competition has three classes : 
pre 1960, 
post 1960 military rifles,
Military Match rifle. L39 etc and others with dioptre.
The 10 is 6 cm diameter.


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Posted By: DarioPirovano
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 9:46am
good luck Zed.


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 10 2025 at 4:18am
I had a nice surprise this morning, when I received the results of the weekend shoot.
I actually got 3rd place with the No4Mk1 in the pre 1960 class! 
Pleased with that, as I went there for a bit of practice before next months TAR competition at the same range.  I learned a few things, my new safety glasses are not great for rifle shooting prone. Variable focal length lense meant having to move my head more to get a good sight image.
I should have brought my old pair!
Also didn't use the sling because of the extra clothing for cold weather.
Obviously some people had a really bad day, scores were generally low.

I placed 7th  in the Match class. Using the 1929 BSA No1MkIII*.
Shot with standard sling. Most of the competitors I shot against in this class were using special jackets and sling's. But the rifle performed well, the errors being all my own! However it's shown me what I need to concentrate on.


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 10 2025 at 4:35am
Congrats Shaun! Good shooting!

If your like the rest of us, we need correction to focus at the distance to the foresight. I had the optometrist write a prescription for the right lens of my shooting glasses made for that purpose, but with a close up reader at the bottom of the lens. 

Through some trial and error, I eventually went with a slightly longer focus distance, 54 inches, so that the target wasn’t quite so blurry.




Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 10 2025 at 10:10am
Yes the problem that I had was the target was extremely blurred. 
Which is probably why I stuck one shot off the target in my first series. 
However I had found a better but not comfortable position and by the third series with the No 4, I managed to improve. 

Also I was wondering if your theory of fouling a pitted barrel may have worked here too. This is the rifle that I used electrolysis to clean it up. 
It's hardly been used since and not at all for around 70 years since the war. When it was in hiding with a local Resistance family.
I gave it a gentle clean, ready for the TAR competition in March.


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: February 10 2025 at 10:42am
Everything I've read on use of open or aperture sights says that the final focus must be made on the front sight.  And I've found this to be true in my experience.  Since it is impossible for the human eye to focus on both the target and the foresight at the same time, we must chose one distance, or something in between, for our shooting glasses prescription.  

For those of us that are not able to do the focusing gymnastics from target to foresight and back to target (because of effects of aging), we don't have much choice but to use glasses that permit us to focus on the foresight at the expense of seeing the target clearly.  As long as you can read the target number board (to know which target to aim at) set the prescription strength to be close to the distance between eye and foresight (30").  I had the optometrist then reduce the strength by 0.25 diopters which moved the focus distance to 54" and this was a good compromise. 

There are two other things that will help if the rules allow it:

1) a reduced diameter aperture, this creates a greater depth of field (focus) like a camera lens.  I've found 0.05" to 0.055" dia to be about optimal for all lighting conditions.  
2) a wider foresight blade, this helps hold our focus on the foresight and not the target

I use both of these aids in shooting the vintage class service rifles as our CMP rules specifically allow this.  I've epoxied a thin metal sheet to the back of the rear sight slide and drilled a 0.052" dia hole in it centered in the existing aperture in the slide.  I also widened the foresight blade by epoxying 0.020" thick metal sheet to both sides of the foresight blade to get a total width of 0.100".  Both are then painted flat black with an overcoat of sight blackening paint.  Works a charm...




Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: February 10 2025 at 11:25am
I am going to " borrow " this.

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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 10 2025 at 1:28pm
Using the PH5a sight on the Match class No1MkIII*, with the adjustable dioptre, the sight image of front blade and target are very clear. A big improvement over the standard Singer sight. 
I think reducing the orifice size is allowed in the ISR, but probably not in the TAR. I need to check the rules for this year, as there have been some modifications recently.



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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 10 2025 at 5:15pm
congrats Zed , great shooting , 


Posted By: Mayhem
Date Posted: February 10 2025 at 9:02pm
Congrats Shaun - nicely done.

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