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Topic: Web Gear Modifications
Posted By: DisasterDog
Subject: Web Gear Modifications
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 1:14pm
Not really a reenacting question, but I didn’t know where else to put this:

I really like the P37 web equipment & have a few sets that I regularly take out into the field, but of course the small pack is too small & the large pack is too large.  

Was wondering if anyone else does similar, and what modifications you have made to make the small pack more useful.  I’m thinking along the lines of attaching the canteen & carrier to it, or adding basic or auxiliary pouches to it, etc……

Tips, tricks & pics much appreciated.

Thanks guys!



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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 2:05pm
 just use one strap & carry it slung diagonally like a modern possibles bag.

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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 2:28pm
Diagonal carry of the small pack is less than ideal in mountainous terrain.  The small pack with an additional pouch on each side seems ideal, much like the early Chindit mods.  Not sure if I want to go the route of sewing them on though!


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 3:30pm
which military pattern are you talking about? Are you talking Brit, Cdn, US or what? Not too many mind readers here.

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Loose wimmen tightened here


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 3:31pm
Woops! just realized your talking P37....My Bad. Sorry

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Loose wimmen tightened here


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 4:53pm
Yep, Patt ‘37.  

I’ve used the old WW2 US stuff, but too many metal bits on it for scratching up a slung rifle (usually a No.5).


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 5:31pm
How about some kind of wide strap encircling the pack, using the belt clips of Universal pouches?
Rig it above the existing side buckles so it can't slip off?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 5:52pm
It depends which order you are attempting to represent.  Parade Order, Fighting Order, or Marching Order? 
 The most commonly replicated order for reenacting is Fighting order which generally consists of the Small pack, two "L" straps, A right and Left set of braces, a skeleton carrier for your Mess kit, a canteen in either a canteen carrier or skeleton carrier, a pick/mattock, either the issued one in its carrier or more commonly a large D handled spade tucked in the braces somewhere, bayonet and scabbard, belt, and two Universal pouches.  Quite often your rolled up rain slicker or gas cape was tucked under the flap of the small pack and your enameled cup hanging outside the pack on one its straps.  You can also add a wire cutter in its carrier, a utility knife hanging from its strap, extra canteens, and extra universal pouches that hang from their own straps on one side of your body.  A wound dressing was quite often worn under the camouflage netting of the helmet.  depending upon expected action you might be issued grenades, Gammon bombs, and spare bandoliers of ammunition in chargers.

Marching Order sees the Large Pack being carried with your helmet attached to the outside face of the large pack by two crossed straps. Action is generally not expected.

Inside of either pack is your housewife, shaving kit, extra socks, and personal effects



Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 25 2025 at 10:25pm
dont do this reenacting but i do have the small packs for my ammo that i take to the range , one set up with 303 in chargers , one for 308 and one for 22cal , each has a single strap of the suspender rig , easy to carry and handles the ammo well , the extra attachments make nice locations for glasses cases and hearing protection as well as other tools i might need , i like my kit it works well , 


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: February 26 2025 at 6:50am
See if you can find some old pictures of that webbing pattern in use a similar "area of operations" (terrain you plan on being in) during WW2 by troops that used the gear. Must be some as we were deployed all over the world during that time! If it worked for them, it should work for you! Best of luck!


Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: February 26 2025 at 9:05am
1st pic, basic P37 webgear as issued.  2nd pic with a little more 'battle rattle' added.  3rd pic shows clasp knife and binocular case.








Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 26 2025 at 9:23am
If you want to avoid stitching how about punching a few holes & using Grommets or lace eyes to stop fraying?
I'm thinking about 4 holes slightly wider apart & distanced a little more vertically than the "belt hooks", on the Universal Pouches.
Its a variation on what US troops did to the ALICE system because  the ALICE clips were uncomfortable.
Once punched & grommets fitted, simply "lace up" the hooks to the holes with a couple of turns of paracord & then just tie off the ends securely to each other inside the pack? Clap


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: February 26 2025 at 11:54am
I use paracord on lots of web gear and ammo pouches.


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 26 2025 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

How about some kind of wide strap encircling the pack, using the belt clips of Universal pouches?
Rig it above the existing side buckles so it can't slip off?

The leg strap from a drop-leg tanker holster fits the belt fittings on a basic pouch, 2 of them would go around the small pack just fine.  A single brace across the top of the small pack to secure the tops of the basic pouches & tie into the small pack’s fittings as well.  

Since things tend to slip & need to be doubled-up in the fittings, the extra length of the brace straps will make a loop on each side that the 2 holster leg straps can go through.  

In theory, I don’t have a second leg strap, nor one to spare, but I’m mocking it up right now…..

I already had the tanker holster out trying to figure out the way to make it a shoulder rig, like the Lofoten Raid picture.  So it all kinda clicked.


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 26 2025 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by Sapper740 Sapper740 wrote:

It depends which order you are attempting to represent.  Parade Order, Fighting Order, or Marching Order? 
 The most commonly replicated order for reenacting is Fighting order which generally consists of the Small pack, two "L" straps, A right and Left set of braces, a skeleton carrier for your Mess kit, a canteen in either a canteen carrier or skeleton carrier, a pick/mattock, either the issued one in its carrier or more commonly a large D handled spade tucked in the braces somewhere, bayonet and scabbard, belt, and two Universal pouches.  Quite often your rolled up rain slicker or gas cape was tucked under the flap of the small pack and your enameled cup hanging outside the pack on one its straps.  You can also add a wire cutter in its carrier, a utility knife hanging from its strap, extra canteens, and extra universal pouches that hang from their own straps on one side of your body.  A wound dressing was quite often worn under the camouflage netting of the helmet.  depending upon expected action you might be issued grenades, Gammon bombs, and spare bandoliers of ammunition in chargers.

Marching Order sees the Large Pack being carried with your helmet attached to the outside face of the large pack by two crossed straps. Action is generally not expected.

Inside of either pack is your housewife, shaving kit, extra socks, and personal effects


I do have complete sets, but as usually happens with collecting web gear, I have excess of enough things to make kit for actual field use.  I consider P37 gear to be pretty versatile, which is why I like to use it.  Probably improper of me to post in the reenacting section, as this is more about adapting said equipment for more practical purposes in the modern age.  Kinda based off of photos of soldiers modifying things for specialist purposes, but also seeing what you guys may have found or done through your own use of the equipment.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 26 2025 at 8:21pm
ive used the paracord on a lot of things , but i like to carry ammo in the small pouches and i use a single shoulder strap on all four of mine , but im not trekking mountainous areas either 

i forgot i have one newer pattern small pack as well that has 762 in it , i think its P51 version 


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 7:51am
Photo upload test:



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 11:27am
Shows up as a broken link.



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 12:00pm




Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 1:09pm
A rifle and pistol.

The holster looks like a P37 web gear used a lot in armoured vehicle use.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 2:44pm
That would make perfect sense. The rest of the gear seems Brit/Commonwealth.

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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 2:57pm
Yeah, it’s a tanker holster.  Leg strap attaches to the drop strap by way of an L-strap-to-pack brass fitting.  Tried it with mine yesterday & I like it a lot.  The width of the straps & the angle of everything makes it pretty comfy & secure.


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 6:06pm


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 6:07pm
^^^ An interesting mix of kit, basic pouch on one side, pistol holster on the other, with a US 1911 to boot.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 6:12pm
those shoulder suspenders are what i have on my basic pouches and i strill have my "tanker" holster with my inglis no2 pistol , 


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 27 2025 at 6:15pm
In the Inglis Diamond book there are a few pictures of field mods, including a drop-leg holster converted to fit an Inglis HP.


Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: February 28 2025 at 6:34am
That shirt/jacket/blouse isn't Commonwealth in my opinion.  Battle dress blouses were shorter and had a belt along the bottom of the blouse.  Jungle shirts produced for the Pacific theater of action were thinner cotton twill and had exposed buttons.  There were variations in the shirts produced by the various countries of the Commonwealth but were made of thinner poplin or cotton with the exception of the Canadian wool shirt but all had exposed buttons.  Khaki drill shirts were much thinner and made of aertex.  This is a picture of something I've never seen before.  If anyone has any ideas, I'm interested in hearing them.  His "cravat" is a commonwealth sniper veil as is the pistol lanyard but the complete lack of patches and rank makes me wonder if this is some sort of Maquis, Commando, or guerilla.


Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: February 28 2025 at 8:17am
Originally posted by Sapper740 Sapper740 wrote:

That shirt/jacket/blouse isn't Commonwealth in my opinion.  Battle dress blouses were shorter and had a belt along the bottom of the blouse.  Jungle shirts produced for the Pacific theater of action were thinner cotton twill and had exposed buttons.  There were variations in the shirts produced by the various countries of the Commonwealth but were made of thinner poplin or cotton with the exception of the Canadian wool shirt but all had exposed buttons.  Khaki drill shirts were much thinner and made of aertex.  This is a picture of something I've never seen before.  If anyone has any ideas, I'm interested in hearing them.  His "cravat" is a commonwealth sniper veil as is the pistol lanyard but the complete lack of patches and rank makes me wonder if this is some sort of Maquis, Commando, or guerilla.

The photo is of Pte. W. Slack of No.9 Commando at Anzio, January 1944.  He wears his leather jerkin under the blouse. Thumbs Up


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 28 2025 at 5:00pm
Something still "off" though.
The collar & breast pockets are all wrong.
Battledress blouses buttoned to the waist of battledress trousers. That isn't going to happen with whatever that top half is.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: March 01 2025 at 3:19am
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Something still "off" though.
The collar & breast pockets are all wrong.
Battledress blouses buttoned to the waist of battledress trousers. That isn't going to happen with whatever that top half is.

Agreed.  I scoured David Gordon's book, "UNIFORMS of the WWII Tommy" looking for his shirt/blouse to no avail.  I imagine Commandos had some leeway in their dress while in theater and this might have been some sort of private purchase possibly.



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