Help to ID these Markings
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Topic: Help to ID these Markings
Posted By: Redman
Subject: Help to ID these Markings
Date Posted: May 14 2025 at 3:08pm
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he!!o, at one of my local shops put this on hold till i can find out something on it. It is a #1 MK3, no stars, 1914 dated and has the slot for the cut off. just havnt seen stamp like these. hope you can make them out. sorry but these are all the pics i have at time. any help would be appreciated.  |
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Posted By: Redman
Date Posted: May 14 2025 at 3:11pm
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having a hard time with these pics?  |
Posted By: Redman
Date Posted: May 14 2025 at 3:17pm
| Not sure who or when this gun was refurbed. its parked and wood looks new. one bad thing is that someone put on alot of effort in a gun without a matching bolt? if wasnt for that i would have brought it home yesterday! and he!! with the D's and P's all i could think at first was drill purpose! but, i can get it for around 400 bucks. |
Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: May 14 2025 at 5:37pm
| The D with Broad Arrow indicates Australian ownership, the D^D over 2 is the Australian 2nd Military District. The pics are a little too blurry to comment on any DP. Stock looks like Aussie coachwood. |
Posted By: Redman
Date Posted: May 14 2025 at 7:02pm
Thanks for the info DD. Did any of these get done like this at an aussie arsenal by chance? reminds me of the mummy wrapped no.4's ive seen. i guess if its pretty much all Australian, might be worth picking up? parts not matching buggs the crap out of me!. But 1914 is one you dont see too often. Hey, can anyone else help talk me in to it? 
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: May 14 2025 at 8:54pm
| the D<D is definetly ausie but im not seeint the DP , and that would make me shy away , the refurb /refinish was common but cant say who did what we are seeing here |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: May 15 2025 at 4:08am
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Could it be a Lithgow rifle, J.Jorinco import. They bought a lot of Lithgow rifles and parts, and are known to have built some from parts. ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: May 15 2025 at 4:29am
| For comparison of values: Last year I bought an all-original all-matching Lithgow No.1 MkIII manufactured during WWII for $400 here in Texas. Metalwork and bore was in excellent original condition but there was a little damage to the forestock wood. It's a good shooter. I bought the rifle at a well attended in-person and on-line auction so there were a lot of people who could have bid on the rifle thus the hammer price gives a good indication of value, at least here in Texas. I'm not sure what the market is like in Virginia but I would pay a lot less than $400 for a 'bitser' than has been Parkerized. |
Posted By: Redman
Date Posted: May 15 2025 at 6:15am
| Yea, i think your right. plus, not sure how i missed that it is an enfield made rifle (stamped on socket!) and not a lithgow. I just really would like to have the furniture for another that I have. Thanks, RED |
Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: May 15 2025 at 9:32am
The park does look like that JJCo black, but need more pics to determine. Also, I don’t think it’s a Lithgow, serial isn’t right for a 1914. Likely an English rifle provided to Australia. Again, need more pics.
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Zed wrote:Posted By: Redman
Date Posted: May 15 2025 at 9:41am
| you are correct, it is enfield made and park is a darker grey, think pics make it look close to black. but in light of my recent findings i believe im going to pass on this one unless they want to give it to me for under 350. Thanks for everything, RED |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 15 2025 at 1:56pm
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The "JJ&Co lithys" fall into 3 categories. Cat 1: Complete factory made rifles only IMPORTED by Jovino's. Cat 2: Jovino-built rifles that were early & so properly built by skilled JJ&Co smiths. VCat 3: " JJ& Co, bitsters", flung together by semi (at best) skilled workers with left over & mis matched parts. Obviously you want to avoid the 3 rd lot. First test: check the Butt socket for Lithgow markings. a shield & "LITHGOW", or "MA" "LITHGOW" "SMLE" "III*" & a date. If this isn't present relax its not A JJ& Co rifle at all. 2: if it is the one listed above: If the serial number BEGINS with an "A", be suspicious. Any other letter suffix is fine. Search thoroughly for tiny type usually semi hidden like under the nose-cap showig only through the oval holes, or tiny type on the rear, right, high up of the action. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: m4r
Date Posted: September 14 2025 at 7:47pm
| I have a document showing that D^D refers to preWW1 Defence Department and then 1920s to 1960s, only reference to Military Districts for 2MD is Eastern Command, New South Wales which is stamped 2MD |
Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: September 15 2025 at 5:29am
| The 'P' stamped on the knox form suggests the barrel was replaced at some time. |
Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: September 16 2025 at 12:10pm
This has been discussed thoroughly on another forum, old information stated that the D^2D marking signified a secondary arm, but examples have been found up to D^6D. So it only makes sense in the context of Military Districts as no evidence exists of senary-grade weapons. A variation of this marking pattern can be found on some edged weapons as well, with the number following D^D rather than being above or below the Broad Arrow.
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Posted By: Homer
Date Posted: September 28 2025 at 3:03pm
| Although Ian skennerton suggest in his publications P is for replacement barrel, it is most likely incorrect. This has been understood for quite some time now. The more likely meaning for the P on Australian service rifles is for paint, as in rifles with khaki green paint applied as a corrosion inhibitor. |
Posted By: Sapper740
Date Posted: September 29 2025 at 5:06am
Not by all apparently.
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Posted By: Homer
Date Posted: September 29 2025 at 12:07pm
No doubt, because it’s in the good book, but it’s certainly not a replacement barrel
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