Brass Ejection Differences
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Topic: Brass Ejection Differences
Posted By: Irish Blonde
Subject: Brass Ejection Differences
Date Posted: December 08 2025 at 6:18am
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Getting the Irish Blonde No4MK2 contract rifle ready for hog hunting. Loaded up some 150gr Barnes TSX in Win cases. (I have Win and Rem only) The Winchester cases ejected out the gun just fine, but I discovered my Remington cases would extract, but not eject. Just lay on top of the round in the mag.
Came home to measure the rims. Winchester were thicker by .003". I guess this was the deal maker & breaker of the ejection situation.
This does come after mounting the no drill scope mount, but as I understand it, the ejection of an empty case is done via the indent in the receiver, and the ejection of a loaded case via a slight protrusion of the ejector screw/bolt. I got this right? I just wonder why the Remingtons ejected before and not now. The ejector bolt is no longer protruding at the rear with the scope mount. Maybe the Rems were needing that ejector bolt assist?
ETA: Just found this from another forum. Seems I found the same .003" difference between Win and Rem: Rating .303 British cases by manufacturer for critical specs. These are the average from 5 sample cases.
The tests produced a bit of interesting myth busting again (“Thinner than normal” American made cases & "thinner rimmed" cases from Rem. & Win.), & a couple of inconstancies. I expected case weights to be the exact inverse of case volumes, but it wasn’t so. This may be in part to my attempt to get volumes by water as the meniscus was more variable than I expected so I wouldn’t be as concerned with the volume results as I would with the weight, rim thickness & variations in those 3 areas.
Case weight. Remington lightest @ (161.04 GR). Win 2Nd. @ (168.0). S&B 3Rd. @ (180.62). PPU 4th. @ (182.38). HXP Heaviest. @ (184.62).
Case volume of water.*see disclaimer above about variability in the meniscus* Win smallest @ 53.28 Gr. HXP 2Nd. @ 53.78 Gr. Rem 3Rd. @ 54.6 Gr. PPU 4th. @ 55.54 Gr. S&B largest @ 55.95 Gr.
Rim thickness. **Measured at 3 points around the circumference & averaged per case for 5 cases** S&B Thinnest with 0.0555”. Rem 2Nd. With 0.0586”. HXP 3Rd. with 0.0600”. Win 4Th. With 0.0607”. PPU Thickest With 0.0608”.
Case to case variations. Weight: Win lowest @ 0.4 GR. Rem next @ 1.5 Gr. PPU 3Rd with 4.1 GR. HXP 4 Th. With 11.3 Gr. S&B last with a whopping 18.3 Gr.
Volume: HXP lowest with 1.2 Gr. Rem 2Nd at 1.8 Gr. Win 3Rd. at 2.7 Gr. PPU 4Th. At 3.1 Gr. S&B highest @ 3.9 Gr.
Rim thickness variation. PPU, Win & Rem in a dead heat for least variation @ 0.0030” between. HXP 2Nd at 0.0045” S&B 3Rd. with 0.0050”.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 08 2025 at 8:28am
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You are correct about how the empty cases eject, the rim is dragged along the left side of the action body boltway as the bolt is pulled back. Friction flips them out.
Weak or no ejection is usually caused from a weak extractor spring, that is what pushes the case to the left side of the body. You could try changing the spring.
Check the diameter of the rim and the diameter of the case body just in front of the rim on these two different cases. It's possible the Remington cases are a bit smaller here and result in less contact pressure from the extractor.
The ejector screw is indeed needed to eject a loaded round. It's possible it might be an aid to eject an empty case should it not flip out from the friction force of the rim dragging on the action.
Rim thickness is what affects the "head clearance"; that is the space between the bolt face when locked and the back of the cartridge case. If you reload, you want this clearance to be small to minimize how much the case stretches on firing.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 08 2025 at 2:43pm
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------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 09 2025 at 4:28pm
britrifles wrote:
You are correct about how the empty cases eject, the rim is dragged along the left side of the action body boltway as the bolt is pulled back. Friction flips them out.
Weak or no ejection is usually caused from a weak extractor spring, that is what pushes the case to the left side of the body. You could try changing the spring.
Check the diameter of the rim and the diameter of the case body just in front of the rim on these two different cases. It's possible the Remington cases are a bit smaller here and result in less contact pressure from the extractor.
The ejector screw is indeed needed to eject a loaded round. It's possible it might be an aid to eject an empty case should it not flip out from the friction force of the rim dragging on the action.
Rim thickness is what affects the "head clearance"; that is the space between the bolt face when locked and the back of the cartridge case. If you reload, you want this clearance to be small to minimize how much the case stretches on firing. |
From feel of the extractor the spring is stout. I measured .450 & .451 between the two cases just under the rim. Forgot to measure the OD. For some reason, they all don't eject now. LOL!
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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: December 09 2025 at 10:44pm
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Is the inner side of the receiver dry? Or is there some lube on it? It needs friction to get the empty case ejected, plus it should be a quick pull back on the bolt. If slow, it won't eject until it hits the screw.
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 12:14am
Zed wrote:
Is the inner side of the receiver dry? Or is there some lube on it? It needs friction to get the empty case ejected, plus it should be a quick pull back on the bolt. If slow, it won't eject until it hits the screw. |
Oh I bet it's got some grease on it. At the moment, quick bolt speed doesn't eject either. I'll try to JB weld a nub on the end of the screw.
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 5:20am
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The extractor spring might "feel stout" but they weaken over time and fitting a new spring has always solved this for me. Remove the bolt, slip an empty case under the extractor, and push the case against the extractor so the rim is flush with the bolt. It should take a very firm push.
Excess grease/oil could also be the problem.
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 9:26am
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Case rim OD .530 on both brass brands. Extractor spring is stiff as per test instructions. All grease removed.
Still doesn’t eject a spent case.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 11:19am
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Has it ever? I ask because there's a same threaded screw used elsewhere but it lacks the "nub" which pops the Un-Fired case out. Oddball Enfield feature the ejector doesn't eject fired she!!s! Just un-fired ones! Are you testing with fired cases of action proving dummies?
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 2:26pm
Shamu wrote:
Has it ever? I ask because there's a same threaded screw used elsewhere but it lacks the "nub" which pops the Un-Fired case out. Oddball Enfield feature the ejector doesn't eject fired she!!s! Just un-fired ones! Are you testing with fired cases of action proving dummies? |
Yeah, no problems till I put this dam scope mount on. Thing is I can't use irons anymore. Gotta have a scope.
I'm firing my handloads, and using that fired brass also to test the ejection.
On a positive and separate note, I did measure my bolt and have .630" bolt head and .0015" headspace gap. The weird thing is the bolt head is a #3 but with #2 size bolt head length.
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Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 3:23pm
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Is the brass hitting the scope mount? Seen ejection impeded by aftermarket mounts….
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 3:39pm
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 6:04pm
Irish Blonde wrote:
Case rim OD .530 on both brass brands. Extractor spring is stiff as per test instructions. All grease removed.
Still doesn’t eject a spent case.
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How far does the case rim overhang the left side of the bolt head with the bolt removed and right side of case rim just contacting the extractor?
We are missing something here….
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 6:32pm
britrifles wrote:
Irish Blonde wrote:
Case rim OD .530 on both brass brands. Extractor spring is stiff as per test instructions. All grease removed.
Still doesn’t eject a spent case.
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How far does the case rim overhang the left side of the bolt head with the bolt removed and right side of case rim just contacting the extractor?
We are missing something here…. |
Tried to upload a pic, but no joy. I measured with calipers .050 overhang
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Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 6:45pm
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Well, OP said in the first post that the ejector screw no longer protrudes into the action. Some scope mounts come with different ejector screw lengths so you can trim to the right length (BadAce comes with 3 different lengths, for example).
Does a spent case even begin to angle itself out?
Does a spent case try to hit the scope mount?
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 10 2025 at 6:56pm
DisasterDog wrote:
Well, OP said in the first post that the ejector screw no longer protrudes into the action. Some scope mounts come with different ejector screw lengths so you can trim to the right length (BadAce comes with 3 different lengths, for example).
Does a spent case even begin to angle itself out?
Does a spent case try to hit the scope mount? |
The cases angle to the right upon rear travel but there’s no flip out the side. Just backwards and lay on the follower. Case mouth facing shooter. Totally clear of the scope mount. I only got two screws with BadAce and I cut too much off the longer one.
300-400rnds on 1954 No4MK2 new in wrapper.
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 11 2025 at 6:05am
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1. Probably replace the extractor spring anyway. It's the only thing that can change. 2. I'm also suspecting the receiver might have been cut with too shallow an indent. Prior to the scope mounting, with the stock ejector, that ejector might have been the only reason it ejected to begin with.
Way easier to troubleshoot number one. lol
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 11 2025 at 11:53am
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Again Ejectors don't eject fired cases, the rim should clear & flip free before coming that far back even. There are many riffles that don't even HAVE one fitted & they work. I'd suggest the spring & check for chipped of blocked with crud extractor hook & the cut in the rear right of the breech it rides in as well, but with extraction being good its a second choice. If you're concerned with rim dimensions I can mail you a few fired Mil Spec ones to check it out.
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: December 11 2025 at 12:44pm
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If it’s flipping a spent case completely around, 180 degrees, then the extractor is working. Sounds like the scope mount is impeding the angle of ejection. If it worked fine before the scope mount was installed, that seems the most likely culprit.
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 11 2025 at 1:19pm
DisasterDog wrote:
If it’s flipping a spent case completely around, 180 degrees, then the extractor is working. Sounds like the scope mount is impeding the angle of ejection. If it worked fine before the scope mount was installed, that seems the most likely culprit. |
As you can imagine. I have watched many times the brass moving rearward and not touching anything on the scope mount. I would have had this mystery solved long ago should this be the case. The path for the brass is same as any non scope mount Enfield and unobstructed.
This is driving me nuts.
I'll take a video and see if that can load up here on the site from Youtube.
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 14 2025 at 5:14pm
Took the scope mount off. They barely make it out of the action. Somehow a slight improvement.
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Posted By: DisasterDog
Date Posted: December 14 2025 at 7:54pm
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Well, try replacing the extractor spring. Sounds like it’s working, but barely so.
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 4:41am
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That's the next step. Weird how it's already failed with such low round count as opposed to what these battle rifles typically see/saw. That's Murphy though! LOL
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 6:19am
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I've also tried bending the spring to open it up some and that helped. If you have a spare, try replacing it. That has always worked for me.
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Posted By: Sauron
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 6:58am
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As an aside, I appreciate the info on the differences between the different case manufacturers.
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Posted By: Sauron
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 9:23am
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MidwayUSA sells reproductions of the ejector spring from Wolff. I picked up one for my No1 MK3 about 2 weeks ago. It looks like they are now currently out of stock on those as well as the ones for the No4/No5 rifles.
Numrich seems to have them in stock though.
Best,
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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 9:28am
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Try going to a different magazine and see if that makes a differance.
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 9:31am
paddyofurniture wrote:
Try going to a different magazine and see if that makes a differance. |
I just have the serialized one.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 12:32pm
The cases will be delayed slightly due to the snow here, sorry.
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: Irish Blonde
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 12:59pm
Shamu wrote:
The cases will be delayed slightly due to the snow here, sorry. |
No worries! I'm bout to head off on a hog eradication trip anyway.
I did bend the extractor spring to give more force. They all are clearing the action a bit better. Bouncing to the 1:30-2:00 position from muzzle, but still not slinging out the way. More blooping out the side. I hope it's enough as I'm taking it with me to canyon stalk some hogs. Close range shooting with the irons! (Leaving scope mount off, I got plenty of precision rigs)
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 2:54pm
Good luck!
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 15 2025 at 4:39pm
The Lee Enfield will never throw the empty cases out like the 03 and M1 do which have a dedicated ejector and ejector spring. If the case clears the action, it’s working per design. The bolt has to be operated fairly rapidly too, a slow bolt movement will not give good ejection.
If you still have problems, replace the extractor spring.
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