No Respect!!!!
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Topic: No Respect!!!!
Posted By: sontez31
Subject: No Respect!!!!
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 12:12pm
Most of you guys, especially those of you from Canada, New Zeland and Australia are hurting my feelings! You guys seem to not have much respect for America's beloved .30-06. Now, before you all jump on my case.......... let me explain myself.
I happen to agree with some of you in that the .30-06 is a bit overpowered for most big game animals in North America. After all, how many thousands more deer, elk, etc., have been taken with the .30-30 than almost any other caliber? And I agree that gun manufactures, ammunition manufactures, gun magazine writers, and pure laziness are to blame with our insatiable desire for calibers that are bigger and more powerful. I mean, who needs the Remington Ultra Magnums, Weatherby Magnums, and Winchester Short Magnums?
It all comes down to BULLET PLACEMENT!!! Well, that and bullet construction.........Common sense, don't use a lightly constructed varmint bullet on elk or moose. You want something that will penetrate to the vitals, not explode on impact and just leave a surface wound. People are too lazy now-a-days to spend time at the range learning how to shoot well, from different firing positions, different distances, different weather conditions, etc.,. Most people fire a couple shots at the range a few days before huntng season and call it good. They want something they can shoot an animal in the ass with and kill it with one shot. When that doesn't happen, they blame the rifle/caliber, then trade it for something bigger. Then they develope a flinch from shooting something they're not comfortable with and become an even worse shot than before. The industry capitalizes on this and comes out with something even more powerful to offer them
That being said...........I shoot a .30-06. Why? I can go just about anywhere and find a wide selection of ammunition for it if mine should be forgotten, lost or what not. It will take down anything I shoot at within reasonable range. Also, the .30-06 has served my country well for the last 101 years. In fact, it served the whole free world rather well back in the 1940's if you know what I mean. But I don't just shoot the .30-06, I also shoot a 6.5x55 Sweedish Mauser. This caliber will also do everything the .30-06 will, just a bit harder to find ammo for it here in the U.S.. Neither caliber kicks too bad so I'm able to shoot both well.
Now don't get upset with me!! I do like things British!! Old Land Rovers, old Mini Coopers, tea, the SAS, James Bond, British comedy, and Lee-Enfields in .303!! I think some of my respect for the .303 comes from it's proud service in British history (just like my respect for the .30-06), and the fact that I just like things that are different. Why else would I love my 6.5x55 so much, other than that it's accurate and easy to shoot?
So, in the words of Rodney King............Can't we all just get along?
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Posted By: Hatchetman
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 1:47pm
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Try using paragraphs mate. The dirty thirty and dirty oh six are stupid bloody seppo crackers, why would we want to use them.  Well most aussies are not keen on magnums, unless you want to kill a 17 HMR a magnum. I would say (feel free to correct me here dave, al, lithgow or even roo) the most popular chamberings here are 223 and 243 and 308. And of course every cocky (farmer) and shooter has a 22 in their safe. 6.5*55 is a top rifle for aussie critters, and popular in old sweed mausers, as well as in sako's and tikkas. For some reason some aussies like using those clunky old dirty thirty lever actions in hunting rifles. I would much rather a remmington 7600 in 308 with an aftermarket magazine. Chasing pigs on motorbikes across the plains with a lever gun or pump up is popular as well. Once upon a time blokes on bikes would use a SKS carbine, but since they are all semi-automatic and evil they have been since banned. Most hunters here don't bother with magnums here except for buff and scrub bull hunters, as well as some sambar deer hunters. Most sambar hunters go for 30/06, but the 300 WSM and 338 win mag are popular. Personally for hunting rifles I use a .243, 22lr and 303. I am also buying a 204 ruger for turning cute and fluffys into paddock pizzas. ------------- But the winters coming, And the snow will cover tracks, And I'll be watching, Because I'm hunting you - Sarah Blasko, The Gardens End |
Posted By: allan
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 3:34pm
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yep...personal choice, but i owned a Ruger .308 synthetic stock\stainless,and after a coupla months up queensland chasin pigs and bruisin my upper torso i thought, to hell with this,
and traded me a .270 (the heat seekin missile launcher)..which still smashes pigs..at what i think further distance from the 308..and is a pleasure to shoot and doesnt bruise me from neck to toe! with the same results.
bottom line of my thinkin is..unless you just wanna brag to ya mates that you shoot a rifle, worthy of sitting atop a battleship..go for a calibre that does the job.
Edit- in saying that i admit ive shot more game in both quantity and variety with my ol side by side 12 Gauge, ..that i never leave home for a trip without, and with speeds of what say 1000 ft p\s.
go the shotties and go the XXXX  ! burp.------------- 'SAVIOUR OF OUR SKIES BOYO!' |
Posted By: Hatchetman
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 4:46pm
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Those synthetic rugers are evil! I bet it had that bloody boat paddle stock. The first centerfire I shot was one of those bloody boat paddle stocked rugers in 308! Needless to say I wasnt keen to go back for a second helping of punishment at the hands of a boat paddle ruger. I found the 303 with brass butt plate was easier on my shoulder! The 270 (which is quite popular here) you would think would have more recoil because it is burning more powder to push the pill out the end of the spout. I guess alot of it will be perceived as well. ------------- But the winters coming, And the snow will cover tracks, And I'll be watching, Because I'm hunting you - Sarah Blasko, The Gardens End |
Posted By: allan
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 5:51pm
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id say the stock you speak of is what i had,i havent heard it being called a boat paddle, i used to think more along the lines of a fence pailing!! ..in the middle of the stock was stamped Ruger and the stock wouldve been..ohhh half inch thick in the middle.
oh yes i owned it for about 6 months, if that...
and my mrs at the time used to think i was off up queensland playin fisty cuffs in bars instead of shootin.
------------- 'SAVIOUR OF OUR SKIES BOYO!' |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 5:58pm
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I have to agree with you there Allan. I got hold of a remi 700 in 308 went down to the range and popped off a couple of rounds. After 30 I felt like I'd been hit with a hammer. First time in over 40 years a rifle made my shoulder ache. Cured it though I removed the rubber butt pad and replaced it with a thick recoil pad thats cured the problem. Weight of the rifle has a lot to do with it. The enfield is a hell of a lot heavier so it absorbs recoil. ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Hatchetman
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 6:17pm
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Thats it Al. Look bloody ugly and sickly thin, about as thick as a fence pailing as well. Evil things they are. ------------- But the winters coming, And the snow will cover tracks, And I'll be watching, Because I'm hunting you - Sarah Blasko, The Gardens End |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 10:51pm
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Just Calm down a little Sontez 31 !!!!!! First up Welcome to the ENFIELD RIFLES Now Mate as a Australian & a Pro hunter Shooter for over 40 yrs! I have never heard a bad word spoken of the 30-06 ! In fact I reckon it's a Grand old Round ! That I might add was used to give us such rounds as the 25-06 & the .270 to name but a few !Over here as in Canada ,the .303 is like the 30-06 to you people in the US ,the ammo is easily found as are rifles chambered for that round! The Problem as I see it is that like us ,you people have been dazzled by every new round that hits the market ! People forget the Old Standards. I totally agree with you on the fact that the average hunter,dosen't spend enough time learning the craft of bullet placement & there has been much discussion on this forum on this subject. Now without being insulting ,or trying to ruffle your feathers this Site is dedicated to LEE Enfields so needless to say unless the round is .303Brit or any of it's off spring it doesn get mentioned Dave |
Posted By: Lost Kangaroo
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 6:23am
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Calibers I owned and shot in Oz.....303, 7.62, 5.56, 222,8mm, and wait for it................30.06!! All good rounds for different things....but, if any of them hits you, centre mass inside 300 metres.....say goodnight (except the 5.56, never really felt like it could smack em down like the others, even the .222 felt more powerful in my Sako, although, the 5.56 was fired from an M16 and they always felt like toys anyway, no offence yanks!!)
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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 6:57am
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Lost Kangaroo, the 5.56 was not ment as a pure killing round for the Millitary. it was more on the lines of a wounding round. and if your enemy thinks like us you try to get your Buddy help so in wounding 1 enemy the theory is 2 have to carry him off the battle field. henc one shot placed and 3 combatants removed from the battle... Great theory but I dont think it worked in Veitnam. Dave could probably confirm that.
Now as for the 30-06 , I dont have one yet. but my Dad was in the South Pacific for WW II and was an excelent shot. He and I used to talk about shooting and how most hunters now days dont even know what there Rifle will do. distance wise.
I once over heard a hunter with his Buck he just Baged braging how far the shot was. He said with astonishment that the Buck was allmost 100 yds out. like he had done somthing incredable.
And to top it all off these persons are using a scope for these allmost 100 yd shots. Go figure! ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 8:14am
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Ahem...If I may impart MY PERSONAL observations on the subject @ hand...(sound slick, dont I?) Sontez-if your gonna hang out here, you better understand that sooner or later EVERYTHING & EVERYONE gets trashed here! Its all in a fun/sporting way-better grow some armour!!
I think Davey said it best when he explained popularity of any particular caliber to a country...but I still have some "issues" with the 30.06 brute. I owned an M-1(sold it back to U.S.Army,yet!)& have had a number of M-1 thumbs to prove it!  I found it a hoot to shoot!.Designed so the simplest soldier could maintain it, heavy/durable.  But..I think my dislike comes from different source.In WWII the commonwealth was already @ it 2 years afore Uncle Sam showed up.Our calibers were homogenous.Sammy had to stick to his N.I.H. mantra(not invented here) & that damn near cost us the war!!We couldn't trade ammo etc.Plus-hit-power was a little excessive.(NIH was prevalent in ALOT of materiel then,& still continues today-we can discuss that off forum if ya like)Remember-Sam WAS originally tinkering with a .303 round, but decided America needed her own caliber.30.06 is VERY common here, becoming even more so even than .303!!  6.5 isn't quite that common-but roughly same price.Funny thing is its all made Stateside now!!I have alot of friends that use 30.06& seem happy with itI guess ya use what your comfortable with..I take exception to people stating .303 is a little light.Out of 22 people @ 2 moose camps this year I counted 9 Enfields & only 3 30.06(30/30,308 etc)
ah well-fer what its worth. Welcome to the site, by the way(& be nice to cookie-he's our forum troll) 
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 8:52am
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The 30-06 has earned it spot in history and will never be forgotten. It helped win two world wars and several major conflicts. It is still one of the finest rounds ever designed and still out sells all other rounds two to one here in the states. Oh it still has won more 1000-yard bench rest competitions then any other round. In Iraq some snipers are using their personal rifles chambered in the trusty 06, because it has a little more energy the then the 7.69 NATO by the way is just a shorten version on the 06. More wildcat and commercial rounds have been based on the 06 then any other round. Here is just a few examples, .270 Winchester, .308 Winchester (7.62 NATO), 25-06, 30-06 Ackley improved, etc just to name a few. Also there is more commercially available powder and rounds for the 30-06 then any round. I’m very found on the 30-06 and is the main stay of my hunting arsenal but as far as collecting I prefer the Enfield. Remember guys it does not matter what you shoot as long as you shoot. |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 8:55am
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The .30-06 Springfield cartridge (pronounced “thirty ought six”) is a .308 inch (7.82 mm) (.300 inch is 7.62 mm) caliber rifle round, also known as the 7.62 x 63 mm, introduced to the United States Army in 1906 (hence “-06”) and standardized, with use continuing into the 1960s, tapering off in the 1960s and early 1970s. It was developed from and superseded the nearly identical .30-03, having a slightly shorter casing and a higher velocity spitzer bullet. There were three main production runs of the round, that roughly correspond to large stocks built up during wars: the initial .30-06, the M1 Ball, and the M2 Ball. The M1903 Springfield rifle, introduced alongside the earlier cartridge, was quickly modified to accept the .30-06. It replaced the 6 mm Lee Navy as well as remaining older calibers such as the .30 US Army (also called .30-40 Krag) used in the Model 1892 Krag. The .30-06 remained the US Army's main cartridge for nearly 50 years before it was finally replaced by the 7.62 x 51 mm (7.62mm NATO, commercial .308 Winchester) with the adoption of the M14 in 1954. However, the first M14s were not fielded until 1957, and the .30-06 remained in service into the 1970s, mainly as a machine gun cartridge. It was used in the bolt-action M1903 Springfield and M1917 Enfield, the semi-automatic M1 Garand, the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR), and numerous machine guns, including the M1919 series. It served the United States in both World Wars and in the Korean War, its last major use being in Vietnam. Large volumes of surplus brass made it the basis for dozens of commercial and wildcat cartridges, as well as being extensively used for reloading. The .30-06's power, combined with the ready availability of surplus firearms chambered for it, and so demand for commercial ammunition, has made it a popular http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting - hunting round. It is suitable for large mammals such as deer, elk, and moose. |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 8:57am
PerformanceThe .30-06 is a powerful round designed in an age when 1,000 yard (914 m) shots were expected. In 1906, the original .30-06 cartridge consisted of a 150 grain (9.7 g) flat base cupronickel jacketed bullet. After World War I, the United States military realized the need for better long range performance out of machine guns. Based on reports from Europe, a streamlined, 173 grain (11.2 g), boat tail, gilding-metal bullet was used. The .30-06 cartridge with the 173 grain (11.2 g) bullet was called the "M1 Ball". Army practice was to use the oldest ammunition for training, so older stocks of M1906 continued in use until exhausted in 1936. Once the new M1 began seeing widespread use, the US military realized it was exceeding the safety limits of ranges constructed for the 1906 cartridge over the past 30 years. Rather than engage in massive construction projects, it was decided to switch back to the original profile bullet but utilize a newer jacket material. Initially, this was stained to match the color of the cupro-nickel jacket. This 152 grain (9.8 g) flat base bullet without the stain was standardized in 1940 as the "Ball, M2" cartridge. According to U.S. Army Technical Manual 43-0001-27, M2 Ball specifications call for 2,740 feet per second (835 m/s) velocity, measured 78 feet (24 m) from the muzzle. M2 Ball was the standard issue ammunition for use in U.S. military rifles and machineguns until replaced by the 7.62x51mm for the M14 and M60. Commercially manufactured rifles chambered in .30-06 are popular for hunting. Current .30-06 factory ammunition varies in bullet weight from 110 to 220 grains (7.1 to 14.3 g) in solid bullets, and as low as 55 grains (3.6 g) with the use of a sub-caliber bullet in a sabot. Loads are available with reduced velocity and pressure as well as increased velocity and pressure for stronger firearms. The .30-06 ranks as one of the most popular sporting cartridges in the world. |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 8:57am
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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 8:58am
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NOTE: .30-06 cartridges are also produced commercially with a plethora of different bullets and to a number of different specifications.
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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 8:59am
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Naval ordnance men loading a belt of .30-06 into an SBD Dauntless
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Posted By: Hatchetman
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 3:11pm
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As usual cookie is posting excessive amounts of info, the bloody troll!
------------- But the winters coming, And the snow will cover tracks, And I'll be watching, Because I'm hunting you - Sarah Blasko, The Gardens End |
Posted By: allan
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 3:38pm
whats a troll?  ------------- 'SAVIOUR OF OUR SKIES BOYO!' |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 5:58pm
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A monster who lives in dark caves etc and scares kids. Bit like Dave but not as hairy! ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 6:54am
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As a "Bloody Yank" I'm also a fan of the .30-06. You can do a lot with it.
I'm also a fan of the .303 British, 7.5x55 Swiss, 7.5x54 MAS, 7.62.54mm R, 7.7 x58mm, and a bunch of others.
They pretty much all do the same thing, and do it well. The key point is the rifles that use them. They're interesting to work with and all have their peculiar quirks and virtues.
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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 7:35am
See what happens!!??  Ya wind Cookie up & he's off like the Energizer Bunny!! He just keeps going & going &...
Its OK Cookie!! Great info there, mate!! 
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 8:45am
The ol' thuty aught six is ok. But only if you like those newfangled cases without a solid rim to wrap a honking big extractor round.
 ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 2:47pm
Thanks Hoadie
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hoadie wrote:Posted By: sontez31
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 5:42pm
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Wow!! Guess I stirred up the pot, didn't I? I just want to say that my intention wasn't to upset anybody. I just wanted to creat a topic that would start a conversation............and it looks like I succeded. Also, I just wanted tease those of you who are not so keen on the .30-06.
However..............here are my responses and observations to some of your posts ( I won't mention any names).
I thought my indentations on the left hand side signified a new paragraph. However, if you'd like, I can indent AND double space to begin new paragraphs. Perhaps when I thought I was learning English in school, I was really learning American.
I'm not a big guy, only 5' 6" and 135 lbs. The .30-06 has never left me bruised and battered. Maybe a little sore after a box of ammo at the range, but not bad enough to not want to shoot it anymore. I just never found the .30-06 uncomfortable to shoot.
The .270 Win, .280 Rem, and .25-06 are ALL .30-06 cases that have been necked down to smaller calibers. I've shot a .270 and have not found it to be any easier to shoot than a .30-06. They are all about the same, it's just the percieved recoil that feels different.
The .308 Win is 7.62x51 while the .30-06 is 7.62x63. The .308 was designed to give near .30-06 performance, only in a short action length using more efficient powder. All things being equal (weight of rifle, bullet weight, etc., etc.,.), the .308 actually produces a little less recoil energy than the .30-06.
The .223, or 5.56x45 Nato, wan not designed to merely wound and thereby incapacitate three people on a battle field rather than kill and only take out one person. It passed the military tests for penetration at given distances, but more importantly, allowed the soldier to carry much more ammunition per pound than the .308. However, in my honest opinion, that line of thinking ruined the principals of marksmanship where you make every bullet count. The .223 started the whole "spray and pray" style of shooting.
Dave, thank you for your support. I appreciate all firearms, and almost all calibers. I say almost because I really see no need for the huge magnums, but that's just my opinion.
As I have said in the New Members area, you all seem like really nice people. Way more friendly that some other firearms forums that I've looked at. You all seem really friendly and easy going. What can I say, I read some posts that put down the .30-06 and felt it was my patriotic duty to stand up for the old round. I would expect any of you Canadians, Australians, or British to do the same if one of us Yanks were to talk bad about the .303. And yes, I do realize this IS a forum dedicated to the Enfield and thus the .303.
Well, this is me getting off my soap box. Hope I didn't upset too many of you. I'm really just an easy going guy who also happens to be a bit of a smart ass. Take care.
Sonny
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 8:05pm
I'm a bit of a wiseacre too, as you might have figured out. .
I have nothing against the 30-06, It's just that I've never owned one, already having 2 .30 cal rifles, one in .303 Brit & the other in .308. I couldn't justify a third one (at least not to the wife).
 The best way I can think of (other than promising to vote for Hillary)
 starting a spirited discussion is to say you like cartridge (a) rather than (b) you can fill in the callibers as the mood takes you. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: sontez31
Date Posted: November 02 2007 at 3:36pm
What's wrong with voting for Hillary??????
Sorry, even I couldn't keep a straight face while I typed that!!!!
Well, just keep working on the wife, maybe she'll give in and let you get a .30-06. But hey, there's nothing wrong with the .308!! I plan on building my own .308 sometime in the near future. The best way I can describe it and keep it P.C. would be: a long range, precision, tactical rifle. Know what I mean? Here in Montana, I have a local range that actually has a 1000 yard range. I don't NEED to ever shoot that far, but I just want to challenge myself.
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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 02 2007 at 8:01pm
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Heard an intersting story some years ago about a Ghillie in Scotland. He was snowed inand bored so he made a rifle. Used the half shaft off a land rover for the barrel . Guess what? It passed proof. Now thats what I call a craftsman. ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: November 03 2007 at 8:05am
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Tony I had a 22-250 on a savage action that the barrel was made from a Jeep axle shot like a charm.
CM
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Posted By: enfieldboy
Date Posted: November 03 2007 at 5:28pm
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what's 30-06? enfieldboy ------------- There are only three kinds of people in this world. Those that can count and those that can't. |
Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: November 03 2007 at 8:33pm
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enfieldboy,
It's thirty rifles that there were six each made of.
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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: November 04 2007 at 12:10am
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Posted By: enfieldboy
Date Posted: November 04 2007 at 1:17am
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Sounds good Smokey
You could go in most sports shops here and there wouldn't be 30-06 on the shelf. But there would be .303 and6.5x55. A bit OTT for our style of hunting in the bush(read jungle). Most of our shots are under 100yds unless you are shooting thar in the southern alps.
enfieldboy ------------- There are only three kinds of people in this world. Those that can count and those that can't. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 04 2007 at 6:36pm
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Sontec !!! Keep up the good work These Bastards need a good winding up ! You'll learn here , personal attacks are a no-no ,but other than that it's als fair in love & war I don't live in a cave either! I live under a bridge & am waiting for a certain Goat for a rematch ! The 5.56/.223 .........Well ? Yes I have had a hell of a lot of experience with this round ! It's adquette for Thin skin Game (Roos ,Goats ,Homosapiens ) . You've got to remember though the M16 was originally designed for us in Arctic conditions & originally the experimental rifles were chambered for the .22 Hornet as even a wound in Arctic conditions causes rapid body heat loss causing rapid shock A Troll in computer language is a sh*t stirrer Dave |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 04 2007 at 6:56pm
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Now if you think that '06 gets no respect, try the 30-40 krag!
Its the Rodney Dangerfield of cartridges.
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: November 04 2007 at 8:55pm
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I was blessed and givin a chance to shoot a Krag I was pleased with it. I want to add one to my collection. CM
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Posted By: sontez31
Date Posted: November 05 2007 at 1:18am
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Thanks for the support, Dave!!! Think I'm going to try and stir things up a bit for the Enfield/.303 purists! I need to look at my reloading books and find dimensions on overall case length and so forth, but I think I have a really great idea. Provided the action length is long enough, what would you all think if I bought No.4 Mk.1, installed a new barrel, new bolt head and modified the magazine to convert the rifle to shoot .30-06???? |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 05 2007 at 5:26am
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Dave what you get up to with goats is your business!! You got a video of it????
Typical heathen Yank comment oooooooooooo convert it to 30 06. Sooner we take back the colonies and civilise you buggers the better! Second thoughts let you lot have em. We pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq and leave you to it! It would be safer judging by the number of our lads getting banged up with so called friendly fire! Who flies the planes the pilot or his guide dog??? ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 05 2007 at 6:20am
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I think you'll have re-invented the P-17.
------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Hatchetman
Date Posted: November 05 2007 at 2:06pm
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Convert a No4 to dirty oh six! WHAT IS THIS SEPPO BLASHPOMY! *grabs pitch fork and torch* ------------- But the winters coming, And the snow will cover tracks, And I'll be watching, Because I'm hunting you - Sarah Blasko, The Gardens End |
Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: November 06 2007 at 8:20am
| Hatchetman, before you seek the guilty to draw and quarter, the .30-06 is too long for the No. 4 action. I still think the 7.5x55mm Swiss would be a good conversion candidate. |
Posted By: oldbikewrench
Date Posted: November 07 2007 at 12:43pm
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I've owned and shot/hunted with four 30-06's. Oddly enough three of the four were sporterized U.S. M1917's (2 Winchesters and 1 Remington). The other was a Remington Model 700 BDL left handed. Didn't keep the 700 too long.
I used the M1917's in Alaska, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Tenn., Kentucky, and a few other states to take deer and larger game.
Stiil have one of the 1917's.
But, I really like the .303 British too. Bullet selection is not as diverse as the ought six but there is a large enough selection to shoot and kill cleanly anything on the North American continent.
Same can be said for the .308 Winchester, 45/70, 30-40 Krag, and I do believe even that new upstart the 338 Federal (which I have an Israeli Mauser just dying to be turned into, not to worry, it's not a WW2 vet but an FN manufacture and not in the best of shape/condition). ------------- Love your neighbor as yourself.'...Mark12:31 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke22:36 |
Posted By: sontez31
Date Posted: November 07 2007 at 4:13pm
| You know, I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a P17. Unfortunately I'm left handed and have a bit of a problem cycling most right handed bolts with my right hand. However the .30-06 that I do have is a Mauser M96 with a straight pull bolt, it's the easiest right handed rifle for me to operate. I swore to myself that my next bolt action was going to be a left handed action, but then the Enfield bug hit me! Good luck with the .338 Federal conversion, let us know how it turns out! |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: November 07 2007 at 8:40pm
| I found an Eddystone P17 yesterday at a Pawn Shop the metal was still intact so she was repairable. The furniture was a quality walnut stock. The proprietor was giving me this line that it was all-original, so at this point we are negotiating a price. I would like to pick up this piece to restore to her original state. |
Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: November 19 2007 at 1:09pm
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I too hope to get a M1917/P-17 soon. My gunsmith (whoose storage "system" raises disorganization to an art form) claims to have a box with four wings intact M1917 actions and three wings intact P-14 actions. He did give a very nice stock and a box of misc hardware. Some day hopefully before I die he will find it and I will have a 30-06 rifle. Though I live in Texas I hunt with a 8x57 mannlivher stocked carbine and collect Enfields. For maximum fun I will admit that the 30-06 is certainly a ok cartridge. Though if I have another hunting rifle built it will be in 7x64 or 6.5x57 with a European style stock. ------------- Have a Nice Day If already having a nice day please disregard |
Posted By: GARANDMAN
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 9:25am
| I'm new to Enfield's also and have owned and loaded for 30.06's for over 40 years. I kind of started reading the enfield format by accident and became interested. I purchased Ian Skennerton's book in July and really only intended to purchase 2 rifles. I was going to get a SMLE and a No.4 Mk1. Since August I have ended up with seven rifles. I hate cleaning all that cosmoline but love the look of these things. In the US about 15 years ago they were cheap and plentiful,(wished I had bought them then). Here in New Mexico they are plenty powerful enough to hunt anything we have. I have a Long Branch made in 1942 and shoot it along side my 03-A3 Springfield made in 1943. The Long Branch action is smoother and both very accurate. I'm hooked on Enfields and the 303. Plus the new interest in something different is cool. |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 10:18am
Glad you become addicted welcome to the forum
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Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 8:17am
| The M1917 was (is) one excellent rifle. Being heavy with a 26 inch barrel, it allows heavy charges of slow powders with long heavy bullets to really smash critters down without smashing the shooter. They are extremely accurate and boy are they rugged. I suspect someone in British ordinance really wanted to come up with a good British rifle to use our EXCELLENT "yank" cartridge (instead of that 7mm crap). And that's how it turned out. |