M-1 Garand
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Topic: M-1 Garand
Posted By: hoadie
Subject: M-1 Garand
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 12:36pm
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Hmmm...now whatdya know.I just found out that America's Rifle-the M-1 garand was the brainchild of a CANADIAN working @ Springfield!!Well-how bout that?
(Figgers-only a Canuck wud invent a thumb-buster like that) There was 6 1/2 MILLION of the made. WOW Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 1:23pm
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John Cantius Garand (January 1, 1888 – February 16, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974 - 1974 was a designer of firearms best known for creating the first successful semi-automatic rifle to be put into active military service, the M1 Garand. Garand was born in St. Rémi, Quebec in a French Canadian family, and moved as a child to rural Connecticut. He attended school until he was twelve years old, and then became employed in a textile mill, where he was later promoted to machinist. After gaining the necessary experience, he was hired by a tool factory in Providence, Rhode Island. |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 1:27pm
| I’m quite surprised Hoadie, it took you a till you were over 53 years old to figure that out? |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 1:34pm
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hey! I may be old..but I'm still learnin mate!
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Posted By: Target
Date Posted: September 07 2008 at 8:31am
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he went through quite a few variations before he got his final one accepted in 36... i think it was. Id love to get my hands on one of the CMP garands. |
Posted By: thresher_593
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 11:05am
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Not only did he design and build the rifle, but he designed and built most of the machinery used to manufacture the M-1. He also laid out the production facility floorplan for maximum use of floor space. And he didn't even have a high school diploma.
If you ever get a chance to get your hands on one, do it! They are great shooters, and look super. Its fun to just sit and hold one. ------------- Hiding out in the Northwest corner of Southeast Ohio |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 6:00pm
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Well Thresher-you werent around for our previous discussions about that "Thumb eating,heavy brute" we call the M-1 Garand..Yes -its fun to sit & hold one...JUST DONT LET IT GET NEAR YOUR THUMB!!!(worse than Charlie Brown's kite eating tree!!Sakes!!)
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: mathd
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 10:09pm
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Yeah what a nice rifle i am also from quebec (french canadian here) I plan on getting the hand on one for my father as hunting rifle, if i can't its gonna be a lee enfield 303 :). ------------- Mathieu |
Posted By: thresher_593
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 1:36am
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JUST DONT LET IT GET NEAR YOUR THUMB!!
Unfortunately, your warning is too late. My 1943 SA bit me hard. I still like her, I'm just more careful now. ------------- Hiding out in the Northwest corner of Southeast Ohio |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 2:40am
| M1 Garand Thumb is part of the learning curve of the Operation of the M1 Garand |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 2:50am
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Yes!!The "M1 Thumb" is a meically recognized condition-I'm told.(Then theres those of us who dont seem to learn the 1st time-& while explaining to others..gets bit AGAIN!)
I cant say as I miss her...shes gone to a far better place,as far as I'm concerned(Sold back to U.S. Army of all places!!) Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Lost Kangaroo
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 11:24am
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As I was instructed when I learned the Garand......it only hurts until it stops.... ------------- Get some |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 8:28pm
...or-if someone smacks your foot real good with a hammer...it'll take your mind off your thumb a while.Either way,its gonna spoil your day.  
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Lost Kangaroo wrote:Posted By: thresher_593
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 10:52am
 ------------- Hiding out in the Northwest corner of Southeast Ohio |
Posted By: thresher_593
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 10:56am
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OK, so I'm computer-challenged. From the left, 1943 Springfield Armory, 1952 Springfield, and 1955 Springfield Armory. The '55 was built the same week I was born, we're about to have a birthday. ------------- Hiding out in the Northwest corner of Southeast Ohio |
Posted By: Kodiac400
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 6:42am
| Great looking rifles. |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 2:17pm
| Nice rifles indeed. Slings ?????? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 3:52pm
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I have never been able to Fathom why the M1 was only a 8 shot ! I owned one once & christened it the Pregnant Duck ! I must of owned the only Dud that was ever produced ! Dave |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 8:08pm
| Dave I read somewhere one time it had to do with that feeding mechanism, to add additional capacity would have required a larger reciever and more time and money to redesign. With the axis powers coming to power they wanted to push the weapon into production. The redisgned rifle was called the M-14. I Will try and find this article. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 8:22pm
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I know the M14 well ,but didn't they experiment with a 7.62 version of the Garand ? I think the Greek Army adopted it . Dave |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 10:09pm
| Yes and if I recall correctly it was a magazine fed version as well |
Posted By: thresher_593
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 10:38pm
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The slings are standard M-1 web slings. I can't use the M-1907 leather slings because I'm too tall. The leather sling does not provide enough adjustment.
The Garand was orginally designed for a .276 cartridge that the Government was going to adopt. With large stocks of 30-06 in warehouses and other weapons (BAR & M1919) chambered for 30-06 the Army decided to keep the ammo supply simple and the Garand was changed to 30-06. The .276 rifles held 10 rounds but changing to the "fatter" .30 round meant only 8 rounds could be clipped.
The US Navy did adopt a 7.62 x 51 version of the Garand. Some of the rifles used chamber inserts, some were produced with barrels chambered for the 7.62 mm round. These rifles are rare and scarcely seen today.
I've not heard of a Greek 7.62 mm, box mag version, however Beretta made a 7.62 mm rifle with a detachable box magazine in Italy. Some of these rifles may have migrated to Greece.
When M-1's were sent to other countries as military aid they were frequently rebuilt in that country. This includes stocks which were slightly larger than the original issue US military stocks. My '43 has a Greek stock which is larger in circumference than the stocks on my other two rifles.
Thanks for the kind comments, my rifles appreciate the compliments. ------------- Hiding out in the Northwest corner of Southeast Ohio |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 8:06pm
Strange how history repeats it's self . Look at the British in 1913 a New prototype rifle chambered for a .276 round & then at the out break of WW1 the Pat 14 was conceived by rechambering & retooling for the .303 ! I would say it was the Beretta offering that was adopted by the Greeks thanks for clearing that up Dave |
Posted By: Hatchetman
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 10:06am
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And now the 6.8 baked beans (SPC) has been released by some mob that is pretty much the same as what the old .276 round was...
------------- But the winters coming, And the snow will cover tracks, And I'll be watching, Because I'm hunting you - Sarah Blasko, The Gardens End |
Posted By: thresher_593
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 9:51am
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Was the .276 cartridge that the Brits developed the same as the .276 round the Americans were experimenting with? I think I read the Pattern 13 rifle was chambered for .276 and they kept having problems with rounds cooking off in the chamber during extended firing sessions. Apparently that isn't a problem with .303 and .30-06.
I've always liked the Pat 13 & 14, M1917 rifles. Someday, I hope there's one living in my gun safe. ------------- Hiding out in the Northwest corner of Southeast Ohio |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 11:29am
The Pattern 1913 was most defenatly chambered for the .276 now whether it was the same round the US experimented with I'm not sure but I would think so . The main reason for the Pattern 14 was the out break of WW1 & it was easier to retool the Rifle to .303 & of course the M1917 was a quick fix for a shortage of Springfields as once again the tooling was there in place & it didn't take much of a redesign on the Pat 14 ! Dave |
Posted By: thresher_593
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 2:06am
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Right, the M1917 was a modification of the Pat 14 rifle, changes to the bolt and magazine. The US fielded more M1917's in WWI than '03 Springfields. Alvin York was armed with the M1917 when he earned the DSC. After WWI alot of the M1917 rifles were re-furbed and sent to the Phillipines and National Guard units around the states. It's common to see them at American Legion and VFW posts that serve as honor guards for military funerals. Beautiful rifles. I'd love to get ahold of one. ------------- Hiding out in the Northwest corner of Southeast Ohio |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 6:47am
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There was a time over here that it was quite common to see both Pat 14s & M1917's for sale ! In the last 10yrs or so the supply seems to have dried up some what ! My 303-270 is built on a Pat14 action & the last M1917 I heard of for sale was at a ridiculous price & I refused to pay it ! Pre Buy back days,M1's were around & weren't badly priced,what amazed me is the fact of the numbers of M1 carbines that were on the market & the price they were offered at (& the fact of the numbers sold ) The thing with the M1 over here was the fact they were quite cheap to buy ,but then you had to fork out to buy the Chargers & that's where you got caught ! A case of supply & demand ! Dave |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 7:23am
| Dave chargers are common over here if you ever need any let me know. |
Posted By: thresher_593
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 10:50am
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M1 clips are easy to come by. Every gunshow has them. If you need some let me know. The CMP has been selling M1 Carbines for over a year. They're priced from $495 up. I'm hoping for a year end bonus and it will be applied to the purchase of a Carbine. For what its worth, my Dad says the carbine is worthless as a combat arm. His first night on Guam his unit was attacked and he put 5 rounds into a Japanese soldier at 25 yards without putting him down. The next day he turned in his Carbine and picked up a Garand. ------------- Hiding out in the Northwest corner of Southeast Ohio |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 1:05pm
| The M1carbine was best suited for clearing buildings in Europe, |