options whith the 303
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Topic: options whith the 303
Posted By: marc03033
Subject: options whith the 303
Date Posted: February 03 2009 at 10:38am
| does anybody use those hornady 303 light magnums? i would like to know how they performe and do they stil make them.i whent to a gun show last fall and came across a box of imperial cil215 grain and bought them are they that hard to get cause if they are i wont use them.if anybody knowes where i could get a unlimited supply please let me know.maby my last option is to relode |
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Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 7:27am
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I have Hornady 150gr spire points for hunting, but I have wondered:
How effective is the 175gr Mk VII bullet on game?
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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 7:31am
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Are you talking about the full metal jacketed projectiles??? if so FMJ projectiles were not made to for hunting in mind.
A hunting projectile is supposed to delever a good shock and bleed the animal if a vital is not hit at first...
A FMJ projectile is ment to take a human down with minimal colateral damage when it exits.... ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 10:07am
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hunting with FMJ is illegal(not to mention CRUEL)
Dont do it Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 11:45am
| DO NOT TRY THIS! Using an Old VietNam trick taking about 1/16" off the tip and you have a bullet that will expand |
Posted By: unrealpara
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 7:48pm
FMJ on a hunting trip?!  i guess it depends on what ure hunting aye.
otherwise 180gr lead soft points are great!  although i have seen 174gr FMJ hollow points around. has anyone had any sucessfully hunts with these sort? ------------- .303 lithgow No.4 Mk1* Imagine pure concentration and precision at 750 yards. That’s Me watching You! |
Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 8:31am
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The Mk VII bullet is designed to tumble violently on impact. The front third inside the jacket is aluminum, the rest is lead. It's long and tail heavy.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot37.htm - http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot37.htm
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Posted By: VAnimrod
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 11:03pm
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With far better options out there for hunting than the MkVII, I would have to ask why you'd choose it on purpose? |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 11:57pm
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Be careful if you cut into the nose of an FMJ round of any type.
There are documented cases of the lead core blowing out in the bore & leaving just a mangled jacket behind. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 1:40am
The hollow point is for stability in flight NOT for hunting. As Rhino and Hoadie rightly say using them is both cruel and unethical. FMJ was and is made to conform to League of Nations now The Geneva Convention which stipulated the use of FMJ ammunition for military use. You hit an animal with an FMJ it can and will run possibly badly wounded and will die an agonising death. ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
unrealpara wrote:Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 5:52am
Thats utter Bullsh*t. I Read the article you posted and all I can say is it's a shame people like that post garbage!! ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 7:56am
OK, Sorry I started a firestorm here.
I have no intention of hunting with Mk VII bullets.
I already mentioned I have Hornady soft points loaded for the purpose.
I was simply wondering how well Mk VII bullets would work "in a pinch" as it were.
I know military ammo was used in Africa, is there any record of Mk VII ammo used on game?
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 8:36am
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I think some heffalunk herds were culled with it back in the day.
Probably because penetration was so important. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Harry mac
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 5:36pm
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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 10:14pm
Harry you are 100% correct! That comment was ment to be a sarcastic remark to emphasis just that. I will correct that post immediately so no one misinterprets it. Thank you again.
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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 3:21am
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SOFT NOSED AMUNITION WAS DESIGNED FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. TO PRODUCE HYDROSTATIC SHOCK MAXIMISE THE DAMAGE AND HUMANELY KILL THE QUARRY YOU ARE HUNTING. QUITE FRANKLY ANYBODY WHO USES FMJ /HOLLOWPOINT TARGET AMMO FOR SHOOTING IS 1 LEAVING THEMSELVES OPEN TO POSSIBLE PROSECUTION AND 2 MORE IMPORTANTLY LIKELY TO CAUSE PROBLEMS ON HERE DUE TO THE ANTI HUNTING AND SHOOTING LOBBY. USE THE AMMUNTION DESIGNED TO DO THE JOB AND DON'T LEAVE THE MEMBERS OF THE FORUM WIDE OPEN TO CRITICISM FOR UNETHICAL PRACTICES. ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 8:31am
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Point well taken.
Sometimes my curiosity should be stifled.
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Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 3:06am
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Why military ball should not be used for hunting:
Besides all the violations of law and regulation, my answer was in the tests with Mk VII ball all the time:
The bullets go off in unpredictable directions after impact.
You absolutely DONT want that if you're hunting. Aim for the heart, wind up missing the heart and rupturing the bladder instead; or just veering off somewhere else to leave the poor critter bleeding with a gory ruptured gut.
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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 4:31am
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DAMMIT!! DONT SHOOT THE HEART!! theres a fine in my deer camp fer that!!$5.00 into the pot.Theres WAY too much good eating on the heart ta be blastin that away!!
Hit the neck.Sever the bone & its instant lights out-no spoilage...but if ya wanna contribute to the deer pot..go ahead Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 4:52am
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Any round can ricochet soft nosed or FMJ it's all in the placing of the bullet and making sure you have a decent backstop in case the bullet goes through the animal.
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 5:47am
Hoadie, head shots waste less meat, ask my wife: she shot me in the head with a .38 Special after we were married less than a month! It just bounced off though, I'm that hard-headed. 
Actually, a fragment of bullet flew back from the target, didn't even break the skin.
It is a lesson on shooting metal silouettes, DON'T DO IT!!
The club removed them all shortly after.
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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 9:46am
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Steel targets for shooting should have a slight angle to deflect the bullet in the dirrection you want... a Buddy of mine has His target set to swing , kind of like a gong. and its angled to deflect the bullet into the ground....
I'm going to build all my new steel targets in this way....
I had some steel core 8 mm Mauser ammo. We stoped using it as the steel cores were riccocheting back at us....that was from the 3/4 inch plate pigs we normaly shoot.
I now set them at an angl when we shoot them and dont use steel core ammo on them either.. ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 12:03pm
Never mind silhouetts...just dangle chains!!  .303 severs 'em quite nicely,eh Rhino?
Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 1:37pm
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Use Aluminium sheets with the target painted on them. You can bash the holes closed with a mallet after you used them. No chance of a ricochet then.
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 5:35am
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Right you are Hoadie !!!! Good thing they had some of them carabeaners laying around down range...
Hoadie and I must of fixed that chane 3 or 4 times......
Spaeking of chains that would make a great back stop if you had enough to make a curtain . they would give enough to not ricochet the bullet..... We did some thing like that for archery in high school with a big blanket.. it would give enough to not let the arrow go throgh and it would fall to the floor.... ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: Harry mac
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 3:04am
I don't think he's talking about ricochets. He means the bullet can veer off in unpredictable directions within the body of the animal after impact. ------------- The South of England has only 2 good features. The M1 and the A1. Both roads will take you direct to Yorkshire! |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 3:12am
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Hey there Harry Mac..Welcome to the forum!
(FYI: the Zippo lighter was made in Niagara Falls,Ontario.Canada for something like 75 years) Anyway-word to the wise..be wary of the limey they call TONY.Hes always lookin fer an angle!(He'd try ta con the shorts off the Queen!) Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Harry mac
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 4:20pm
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Cheers, Hoadie.
------------- The South of England has only 2 good features. The M1 and the A1. Both roads will take you direct to Yorkshire! |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 7:23pm
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making sure you have a decent backstop in case the bullet goes through the animal. I think that covers the bullet veering off within the body. Ignore the rantings of the Canadian Gnome he's got delusions of grandeur since he found out there's a place named after him in Alaska called Nome. ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 3:15pm
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HHMMPH! Listen up,my Tommy friend...the place they named after ME was/is a fort! Fort George,to be exact!!& whilst I'm @ it,they named a battleship after me, as well!(KGV).
Funny...I never heard of a "King Tony" or "Fort Tony". Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 9:50pm
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Hoadie I hate to dissappoint you but, Fort George was named after King George III of England and the HMS King George V was launched on february the 21st 1939 which is before your time. Also the Battleship was named after King George V of the United Kingdom born in 1865 and died in 1936 who was known for his naval career.
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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 2:24am
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Funny...I never heard of a "King Tony" or "Fort Tony".
Hoadie Maybe not but you'll have heard of SAINT ANTHONY! Don't try claiming you're St George just because you married a dragon!!!! ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Lost Kangaroo
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 10:04am
OH SNAP  ------------- Get some |
Posted By: VAnimrod
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 9:35pm
| Fortunately, neither the Canuck nor the Limey has made any claims to be Prince Albert................. yet. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: July 01 2009 at 1:45am
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Cookie...Who asked ya?
AHEM!...Now then...as I said afore...There aint NO Ft.Tony OR King Tony-& St.Anthony was just a myth!!George is the real deal!!(Cookie is just jealous on account of wot I did to the colonists back in the day!  )
Criminy-they even issued MEDALS with my name on 'em for the last festivities!!(Sorry cookie-your lot didnt qualify.Besides,your guys were given alot more medals than ours,anyway.  )
I gotta be careful there-cud open a whole new can o worms... George "the Good".. (as in: Good King,Good Guy,Good Battleship,Fort,Good Night.  ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: July 01 2009 at 7:48pm
Hoadie wouldn't have a clue what a Prince Albert is lol. Maybe we could attach 1 to his head! 
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: VAnimrod
Date Posted: July 01 2009 at 8:03pm
I work with people like that........................ |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 9:53pm
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So do I! Just imagine a minibus full of Hoadie lookalikes all drooling and babbling just like he does! NOW THATS REALLY SCARY!!!!
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 8:21am
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Seven of them in a bus would be called the Seven dwarfs |
Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 11:36pm
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I was wondering if Hoadie knows beldar and Prymatt the two Coneheads on SNL? Hoadie have you ever been to the planet Remulac? |
Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 11:43pm
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You guys are nasty!!!
I thought I was bad mentioning Hoadie's choice in "uniforms"
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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 6:32am
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"UNIFORMS"??!! what uniforms?
SNL coneheads were SO 70's...speed up a tad Cookie. (Hoadie suffers for his friends) Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 8:12pm
Criminy-they even issued MEDALS with my name on 'em for the last
festivities!!(Sorry cookie-your lot didnt qualify.Besides,your guys
were given alot more medals than ours,anyway. )
Call him a gnome! ------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: July 05 2009 at 12:55am
   INDEED!!
You'll get yours,my lime suckin,banger eatin,mushy peas slurpin,spam smearin friend! (..& your little dog,too!)
Hoadie (unfortunate target of longrange sniping) ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: July 05 2009 at 3:20pm
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Ty Hoadie you proved my point !
------------- Rottie (PitBulls dad.) “If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons Born free taxed to death!!! |
Posted By: Steve Hannah
Date Posted: July 18 2009 at 9:29pm
Tony, I'd be keen to hear why you think this? Is it with reference to its suitabilty for hunting, in which case I concur fully? If you're taking exception to the stabilty claims made in the box of truth article, I have to say this agrees completely with everything I've read or been told for the last 40 years (1st time by an Army NCO at school cadets who'd served in WW2). If this is not so I'd like to know why not, all in the interests of advanced nosiness of course. Steve |