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Topic: .303 barrel blanks?
Posted By: ArcherSix
Subject: .303 barrel blanks?
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 11:56pm
Do any of the barrel makers offer .303 balnks? The only thing I can find are take offs from old military rifles.
I'm planning to some day find a #1 to build a Speed Sporter repro and I'd prefer to get one with a chopped and/or shot out bbl.



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Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: January 26 2010 at 1:09am
There is a firm that makes them in Austrailia and turned to correct contours, Krieger in the U.S. will make them to.

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Posted By: Fox Shooter
Date Posted: February 24 2010 at 8:58pm
There are 2 companys that maybe able to help.
 
MAB now TS Engineering http://www.tsengineering.com.au/index.php?page_id=18 - http://www.tsengineering.com.au/index.php?page_id=18
 
The other is Tobler Barrels now RDT Products Phone is 02 4885 1881 or email is rdtproducts@bigpond.com


Posted By: 303sruleok
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 12:12pm
Try trueflite barrels in Nz. Beats MAB barrels hands down


Posted By: Richard/SIA
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 3:35pm
How many do you want?

I've sent a sample to the barrel company we use so that the correct profile can be programmed.

So far no one has been willing to pay the price for them.
Might be able to do them cheaper if a group buy were arranged.

No.1 barrels are much easier than No. 4 as there is not need for the bayonet lug to be machined into them.


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Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by ArcherSix ArcherSix wrote:

Do any of the barrel makers offer .303 balnks? The only thing I can find are take offs from old military rifles.
I'm planning to some day find a #1 to build a Speed Sporter repro and I'd prefer to get one with a chopped and/or shot out bbl.
Check Buymilsurps.com
They advertised stripped Indian manufacture action bodies with very good to excellent barrels installed at a very reasonable price. The barrel alone , if in as good a condition as they described ,would be worth the price.
No sights or other parts just action body with barrel.
These were 1947 dated action bodies.
 
I'd considered ordering one of these myself.
 


Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: January 11 2011 at 10:03pm

There is a Company in Texas that manufactures high quality barrels of any caliber. If you would like I can research and get you the contact information.

 

The “Cookie Monster”



Posted By: ptf18
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 9:43pm
Ive contacted the AU firm TS Enginerring  about a No.4 Mk1 barrel. They emailed me back and said that as soon as the floods/rains AU is now having ended  they would get back to me.
 
I would think that there is a market for the production of new barrels for these rifles. Creighton (sp), a company related to Kreiger manufactures barrels for the 03, P17 maybe P14s and others should produce one.. I would think that if the various lugs on the barrel are a issue they could be silver soldered on after turning the contour. Its not as if we would ever use the guns...in anger. I would think if even the price of a new unit would approach  $250 each they could sell them.  Heck they would be new and your gunsmith could install one with a "0" bolt head and a chamber finish cut to mininum size. All this would be worth something in extending the life of the brass.
 
Keep posting names of barrel makers if you all find one.


Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 5:56am
Originally posted by ptf18 ptf18 wrote:

  Heck they would be new and your gunsmith could install one with a "0" bolt head and a chamber finish cut to mininum size. All this would be worth something in extending the life of the brass.
 
Remember that its the internal shoulder which limits how far back the breech can come that determines headspace for the rimmed .303 case.
The internal shoulder of the receiver ring can be ground back by a few thousandths.
Then its a matter of fitting the shank and knox form and cutting the extractor groove.
 
 
Also I should mention that anyone considering having a barrel made from a .308 blank so they could use .308 bullets should know that tests by Ruger have shown that a .303 chambered rifle with .308 bore generated around 7-8% increase in chamber pressure when standard .303 cartridges with .311 bullets were used in the same rifle.
Tests by the Birmingham proof house have shown similar increased pressures when .308 bullets were used in undersized target barrel bores of .306.


Posted By: Lithgow
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 9:44am
Sprinter arms in Australia I believe ended up with the barrel making machine from Lithgow.
The old bloke is now gone but the son still runs it and a few years ago they would make a No1 profile barrel.
When the father was running it he quoted me on a new Long Lee barrel.
Might be worth contacting them , they are in South Australia so wouldnt be affected by the floods.


Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: January 14 2011 at 6:35pm
I believe Criterion makes replacement barrels for a number of US military rifles, old and new:
http://criterionbarrels.com - http://criterionbarrels.com
I wonder if they might consider making them for the Lee-Enfields? I contacted them, am waiting for an answer.


Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 8:12am
Message to Criterion:
I noticed that your company makes replacement barrels for a variety of US military rifles, old and new. The British Lee-Enfield rifles are still in use in huge numbers in the US and all over the world.
Would Criterion consider making replacement .303 British barrels for these rifles?
 
Response:
We currently have no plans to produce that barrel, although many people have asked and we should look at it. In all honesty, as busy as we are, it could be a couple years. Thanks for the inquiry. 
 


Posted By: dodger444
Date Posted: September 27 2011 at 5:57am
Hi T W Chambers in the UK stock SMLE and No. 4 Barrels


Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 2:18am
What if any is the difference between the MSLE standard barrel and target barrel.

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Posted By: Lithgow
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 8:08am
The target barrel was a heavier profile.


Posted By: norton18
Date Posted: November 20 2011 at 6:31pm
Just got an email from TSEngineering as follows for a 303 british barrel for a SMLE if this helps.

$350 for chrome moly 26” blank (no thread, chamber or crown)

Postage approx. $25 and delivery about 2 weeks.



Posted By: Richard/SIA
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 2:13am
That is VERY high!

Too bad U.S. export is such a pain, I would supply profiled, threaded, and chambered barrels for a little less than that.

Is commerce between commonwealth countries easier, as I would expect?

If so I can post contact info for a Canadian barrel company.


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Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 12:59am
Richard/SIA , how much would you be asking for a #1Mk3 barrel? I have one of these rifles in decent condition, but the headspace is "extremely generous".


Posted By: Richard/SIA
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 5:03pm
The major difficulty for the home gunsmith is the final chambering of the barrel.

Some can do this by driving the reamer the last few thousandths from the rear of the action.
Some will have to take the barrel back off, cut a fraction, check, repeat until head-space is correct.

Using the original knox form means the barrel has to be put on, the extractor notch location marked, barrel removed, notch cut, then the final head-space set.
If the original style flat at the top of the knox is desired that becomes another issue.
Either it has to be milled after the barrel has been trial fitted and head-spaced, or cut in advance and the person fitting the barrel gets to juggle getting it right along with all the other steps above.

Most gunsmith's are getting around $60.00 an hour for labor, so an Enfield re-barrel job can easily hit $400.00 in the U.S.
I've answered numerous inquiries, but have done very few re-barrel jobs in .303 aside from my own hunting rifle.

I should be able to supply No. 1 match grade bore .311 barrels that are profiled, threaded, semi-chambered and crowned for around $250.00 each (No flat at the top of the knox), probably a little less if I could make a run of several of them at one time.
I would NOT be able to export them.


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Posted By: No4Mk1ZA
Date Posted: October 07 2012 at 9:30pm
Hi all, I'm new on the forum.
 
Why don't you guys try our own barrel maker, Truvelo?
 
http://www.truvelo.co.za" rel="nofollow - www.truvelo.co.za  
+27113141405
 
They make good barrels, and may offer you blanks as well.


Posted By: 303Guy
Date Posted: October 09 2012 at 1:34pm
True-Flite offer "Premium Grade Sporter barrels, calibres .22cf, .224 to .338, up to 28" ..........NZ$388.00"

Here's their website;  http://www.truefliteriflebarrels.co.nz/" rel="nofollow - http://www.truefliteriflebarrels.co.nz




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Posted By: Richard/SIA
Date Posted: October 09 2012 at 4:04pm
Raw U.S. profiled blanks are around $100.00 - $150.00.

The expense comes when you chamber, thread, fit, and head-space them.

Then you also have to apply some sort of finish, Blue, Parkerize, Paint, etc.

Ads up fast at qualified gunsmith labor rates.

Importing barrels is not easy or cheap, LOTS of paperwork to do it legally.

I can have original profile match grade barrels made, but unless done in quantity to cut cost no one wants to pay the price.
And no one is committing to quantity purchase.


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Posted By: tcraigtroy
Date Posted: July 21 2013 at 1:19am
I have read a few of your messages here and have some questions for you. I have a No.4 Mk1 that is way past it's prime. I would like to rebarrel it to a 308. If it can be done I would like a heavy barrel without a "stepped" profile, sights,or bayonet lug. There would be no need for a finish but a need for it to be fitted correctly. Can you do this and for how much?
   
Thanks,Craig


Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: July 21 2013 at 10:20pm
No4Mk1ZA

Have you ever used their barrels. I tried to get assistance, and was sent a list of resellers who never responded to a single email I sent.

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Posted By: tcraigtroy
Date Posted: July 21 2013 at 10:27pm
Have I ever used what barrels? A little more info please.


Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: July 22 2013 at 12:44am
Response was aimed at No4Mk1ZA as to whether he had any luck with Truvello.

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Posted By: 303Guy
Date Posted: August 08 2013 at 6:32am
Used Guns of Australia have a SMLE blanc and a few used barrels and a new barrel plus an aircraft machine gun barrel.  Try them.  They have Martini's as well as Lee's too.   http://www.usedguns.com.au/" rel="nofollow - http://www.usedguns.com.au/

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Posted By: mrbungle
Date Posted: August 12 2013 at 11:51pm
i just want a bull barrel in 303 for a modern enfield target rifle like modern remington 700. 


with an A5 stock style and free floating barrel. 


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Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: May 05 2014 at 3:45am
I am currently having my SMLE re-barrelled with a Truvello barrel. Unfortunately the process is long winded due to the legal requirements.
How's this for a process. A South Africa process in case you want to know.
 
Sent rifle to gunsmith in November 2013. Gunsmith ordered barrel. Gunsmith then sent me documentation to ask the police firearms control permission to replace the barrel. Permission granted in February 2014. Barrel fitted, then sent to the SABS for proofing. Still waiting for it to return.
When this is done, I have to re-apply for a new license due to the barrel serial number being changed. Rough time for a barrel change 6-7 months.
This is completely wacky. And the thing is I cannot fetch the rifle until the police have approved the new license. I think if I had known it would take this long, I would not have bothered. So now I am sitting with 400 resized ready to shoot 303 rounds.
I got the shakes and need a 303 fix.
 
 


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Posted By: rico567
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 1:34am
^^^^^
I see the shape of things to come here in the U.S., if certain elements get their way.


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Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 4:49pm
We adopted the failed Canadian system in South Africa. The firearm community have managed to use the system to their benefit, and the firearm industry is booming. year on year 40% growth.
All thanx to the incompetence of our Police structure, loosing many class action suites.


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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 9:33pm
In the 90's I rebarreled an old Portuguese Mauser to a 7x57. I purchase the barrel and licensed it as it's own firearm. When the work was complete I had the old barrel decommissioned (have the letter from the police, but CFR still has it on the system as mine). The action was restamped to the same serial number as the barrel. The licenses now lists the different components. So you can have different serial numbers for each component. If you have less than 4 firearms or have dedicated status you can buy the barrel as a new firearm. Have it fitted and then sort out the license.

Hope Saffer hasn't loaded all 400 of those rounds unless he has dedicated status. Before I had dedicated status I "broke" the law a few times when reloading for my 9mmP. I would run off 300 or 400 rounds no the progressive press and then go shoot the lot straight away.

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Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 10:27pm
I got dedicated shooter status, dedicated hunter status, certified range officer, etc and the list continues.. Could start my own war in the neighbourhood if I wanted to. Wink
 
But I know what you mean about licensing. My brother emigrated to the land of down under 10 years ago, complete with export and import permits, and the license is still on his name here, with no record of the export of the rifle. Can see this being an interesting event if he came back to SA with the rifle for a hunt.
 
 


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 1:37am
In France they have recently changed the rules too; which is good for military rifle fans. However they have not done a full renewal of all permits for the small calibre stuff. The problem was that when a new owner declares ownership of the lower category rifles, the old owner was not automatically wiped from the system; so the authorities may have 5 owners on file for 1 rifle.
 The new system of classification meant we had to re-declare them, but they sent all my .22 paperwork back saying we to busy to do those. Too much work! So they missed the opportunity to get up to date info on all firearms instead of just the big stuff.
Still can't complain too much because the permits are free of charge.


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 4:58am
That sounds just so French.Wink


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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 12:54pm
When we had to change our ID Book / Green Card licenses to the new system I went to the DFO. They processed my applications. On looking on the system they saw the old Mauser and asked me why I wasn't applying for a license. I told them it had been handed in in 96 and I showed them the original SAPS form, complete with original stamp, that the SAPS had taken ownership of the barrel. Guess what the DFO tell me?

"Go to that station and fetch the barrel, we need proof." Is an official form with an original official stamp not proof enough? Its not my responsibility to account for a barrel that is officially in the control of SAPS.

I did also see that my air rifle was still on the system.

The biggest problem is that there are DFO's and there are DFO's. Most don't have a clue or are just not interested in what they are doing. It seems that all the ones that do, are stationed a long way from where I live.

I wish the SAPS would do a "road show" with a bunch of the best DFO's and help us sort out all our problems.

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Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 5:45pm
I had more than one argument with the DFO about interpreting the law. I bought a Lee Enfield SMLE from a guy for R500.00.
However the original owner did not have a safe, and as I was applying for the rifle I wanted permission to store the rifle at my house in a safe.
Well the DFO wanted to charge the original owner for not having a safe. As the guy was house bound, the rifle is under his direct control and does not need to be in a safe. Secondly the DFO reckoned that the storing of rifle in  safe is for people who are going to live overseas. I asked him with a copy of the law in my hand to show me where it said this. He reckoned that was my interpretation, and I told him that he was interpreting the law himself, which then ended up with a further argument. I then got a work colleague who new the DFO's commanding officer, and the CO told the DFO he was wrong. Round 1 for me.
The next time was arguing again about the law and the motivations and sharing of firearms with another person under my direct control, and was told it was illegal. Point to the relevant section, and got told again it was an interpretation. Anyway I also won that one, and am now well known when I walk in, not to mess with me.


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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 6:54pm
There has to be an installed (bolted down) safe at the applicants domicile that conforms to SABS standards (3mm sides, 6mm door, internal lock). SAPS is supposed to do a physical inspection. Yeh right. I know of people who have been asked to take a photo on their phone and show it to the DFO. In most cases they just ask you if you have a safe.

Now here comes the tricky part. If a person lives overseas, their SA address is no longer their domicile. The person living at that address is, by law, in possession of firearms for which they hold no license or are not lawfully allowed to have (i.e. they are not a gunsmith) even though they don't have keys for the safe. I have been in this situation when I lived in London. I stored my firearms at the gun shop while away.

Last thing you want to do is really p off the DFO. Applications have a nasty habit of falling behind the filing cabinet or being super glued to the bottom of the out box tray.

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Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August 29 2014 at 2:38am
Interesting point, but a safe is not required if the firearm is under your direct control all the time. It does beg the question, how do you prove that. A handgun yes, rifles?? Hmm maybe, but in this case of of the guy I bought it from, he was house bound, so the rifle was under his direct control. Debatable point though.
Got to love the FCA, but at least we know how to work the system.


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: August 29 2014 at 3:21am
Stroll on! I always thought we had it hard in the UK with firearms legislation, you boys seem to have it really tough. Where I'm based in Lancashire I'm lucky to be on good terms with the license dept, I recently got a Parker Hale sporterised #4 from a guy who posted it for sale on here. Paperwork in and out in 3 days, no questions asked. Pete the firearms officer did get a mite wound up when I asked him for a 155mm howitzer for long range deer stalking though. LOL


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