Number 4 Mk 1 VS Buffalo
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Topic: Number 4 Mk 1 VS Buffalo
Posted By: .303
Subject: Number 4 Mk 1 VS Buffalo
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 6:43am
Ok so its ot completely standard, in fact its a No4 Mk1 action only but hey its still awesome. Its a 45-70 built on one. I took this Buff with it on the weekend dropped to the first shot and I put 2 more 'insurance' shots into him just to make sure he didn't want to get back up and kill me!
   ------------- Amor patriae |
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Posted By: Dux-R-Us
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 7:02am
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Nice animal. Your first carabou? What bullet did you use? K. ------------- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx |
Posted By: .303
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 7:13am
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Carabou? Thats a Water Buffalo, yes it was my 1st and I used a Woodleigh 400gn PPSP on top of 49gn of AR2207 powder. Exellent performance I shall be using them again! ------------- Amor patriae |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 8:51am
| the top of the heep , A no 1 , most saught after and most deadly animal that walks , what a great trophy |
Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 10:11am
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How Old are You .303 ???? You look very familiar ......were You in
Turkey in 1989 ???? or a South American country in or around that time
???????? Did some work in the Army with some Guys from Down under twice ....and Damn You look like one of them !!!!!! ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: .303
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 10:20am
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Highly unlikey that you ran into me White Rhino, seeing as I was 6 in '89, don't get me wrong I was a Bad A$$ 6 yr old but no it wasn't me. ------------- Amor patriae |
Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 10:49am
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Was Your Pops or Uncle in the Military ????? and did any thing crossed up with the U.S.????
------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: .303
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 11:37am
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Yep both Dad and Uncle are both ex New Zealand Army (Dad Artillary and Uncle Infantry). I know Dad went to Hawaii with his uit once in the 80's and both have worked with the US at some point. ------------- Amor patriae |
Posted By: 303carbine
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 2:08pm
| Very wise putting a couple insurance shots into him, how does water buff taste like anyways?? I really like the 45-70 and the Enfield, being made into one is the best use of both. Nice rifle, excellent post. |
Posted By: .303
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 2:23pm
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Tastes like Beef, pretty good really. ------------- Amor patriae |
Posted By: Dux-R-Us
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 9:41pm
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carabao = water buffalo in Filipino. Same species as your trophy.
------------- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx |
Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 10:36pm
Well I never did any thing in Hawaii and it would have been Infantry that I did the work with ...pretty cool guys though ...loved to have a good time ...just that we were not supposed to be able to get alcohol in Turkey ...but We did !!!LOL!!!! ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
.303 wrote:Posted By: .303
Date Posted: August 10 2011 at 6:59am
There you go I learnt something new.  ------------- Amor patriae |
Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August 12 2011 at 4:36am
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the top of the heep , A no 1 , most saught after and most deadly animal that walks , what a great trophy
Try the African buffalo. Takes a lot to bring him down. Took a friend of mine 12 shots with a 375 to bring his down. All good chest shots, and they barely made a difference. They had to track him down in a reed bed, and was eventually taken down with a head shot whilst charging my friend. The PH used a 458 to eventually take the buffalo down.
------------- Not a complete idiot. Still missing a few parts. |
Posted By: Dux-R-Us
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 5:40am
Obviously they were'nt all that good, and/or the bullets performed badly. I am not an expert in buffalo hunting, having a total of 1 Cape buffalo to my credit, yet I think the above is more the rare exception.
One rarely hears stories like this from real people. I don't believe it is that common as gun writers like PH Capstick would like to have us believe. Most give up the ghost pretty readily from the conversations I have had with others that have hunted buffalo, including PHs.
My PH stated in all his years of hunting buffalo (+25) he never faced a charge. From what I understand the Asian buffalo can be just as nasty as his African counterpart, and deserves as much respect when hunting him.
tally ho
K ------------- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx |
Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 4:03pm
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This thread has a bug, as I just lost 15 minues of writing.
------------- Not a complete idiot. Still missing a few parts. |
Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August 13 2011 at 4:09pm
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I do not know the Asian buffalo, so I respect that he can be just as dangerous. I believe a lot had to do with bullet performance. Not being able to take the meat away with him, he was not able to see what the bullets did or did not do. The fact that the buff was killed finally with a 458, sugggets not enough gun in the end, and that 375 is the lowest one should go with some doubts.
No PH is going to sully his name by telling his clients that he has never taken a charge. For one that snake oil, and there are plenty of people in ourhunting association who have had this experience of a charge, as well as thoe who have not. Being in Africa, we are closer to the tales than elsewhere.
I am glad you have a Cape buff to your credit and ifyou got one clean hit, that is great. ------------- Not a complete idiot. Still missing a few parts. |
Posted By: Dux-R-Us
Date Posted: August 17 2011 at 9:59am
I defer to you, Saffer. You been around buffalo much more than I.
I did shoot mine clean; one .375 solid to the heart and he only ran 50-60 yards.
What is interesting about the Asian buffalo is he can be wild and mean, or tame and helpful pulling carts and plows. I never saw any African buffalo pulling carts while in Zimbabwe. Do you know of any cases of domestication of Cape buffalo??
Tally ho
Kevin ------------- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx |
Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August 17 2011 at 8:33pm
I reckon trying to span a Cape buf would be good fun to try if your brave enough.  ------------- Not a complete idiot. Still missing a few parts. |
Posted By: matchu
Date Posted: August 23 2011 at 5:11am
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good looking animal... cape buffalo are one of the deadliest big game along with hippos. I would love to get to africa and but some lead into one of those big buggers
------------- Hehe I out shot a remington 770 with the enfield |