Bandolier and clips
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Topic: Bandolier and clips
Posted By: Zed
Subject: Bandolier and clips
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 4:34am
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I have just bought a WW2 Bandolier and set of 10 charger clips from a French website that has quite a bit of Enfield stuff. Including a box of 100 charger clips, unused, (British 5 hole type). A No8 rifle, and lots of spares etc. Although it's European prices!! Site is called Natura Buy. Just search "Enfield" ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
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Posted By: No4Enfield
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 8:19am
and I thought prices were high in America for Enfield stuff. 
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 11:25pm
| ya hey , it always suprises me to see what others are spending , but its equally interesting to see whats available there as opposed to what we have to choose from , |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 2:25am
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It's depressing seeing how cheap things are in the USA, and not being able to import them easily, that is the rifles and hardware. I have bought some stuff from the internet, got a USMC shooting jacket, sent UPS and had to pay 50 Euros import duty, which was the same price as the jacket!!! ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 7:31am
| 100% tax ? yup thats what socialism gets you , but we seem to be working on it here as well , so who am i to talk ? |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 3:49am
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It appears the 5 hole clips are the crap ones! for some reason I had it in my head that the 5 hole model was the good one and the 4 hole was bad. But I got that the wrong way around. The ones I received are unused and clean, but tight as he!! on the cartridges and badly score the brass. I was testing them today. I do have a couple of 4 hole clips and they are more flexible at the spring end and thinner metal also. I assume the 5 hole is of Indian manufacture, the metal is 5 thou thicker and the heat treatment is not at all close to the original 4 hole design. I have attacked one with a dremel to try and make it serviceable, removed the burr's and metal from the full length along the inside of the clip, ground off the bump on the spring end and generally polished out the rough edges. It works better, but still not as good as the 4 hole. I will try heating one to soften the metal a it and get more flexibility in it. Anyone else used these clips? ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: flanker
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 4:55am
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I have a few 4-hole clips, they're 1960's South African and they're pretty tight too. When I was a kid in the cadet force we used to practice loading by pushing a whole clip of drill rounds into the magazine at once - no way you could do that with the clips I have now. ------------- Life is full of possibilities, 50% of them are likely to good.... |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 7:29am
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I have both 4 & 5 hole ones that reek. There seems to be 2 "sizes" & 2 finishes, both of which come on several flavours. The rough finished parkerized ones are the absolute worst of the lot. I've found Italian & South African ones & they just don't work properly. Personally I won't use anything now that doesn't have the WD "broad arrow", oval detent "teats" & a smooth (blued?) finish any more. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 3:09am
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yes Shamu they appear to be parkerised. I am not sure where they came from originally;( I had assumed India) but they were obviously not used for a reason. I have 2 original WW2 clips that came from a air drop canister that were given to me by friend. They work nicely and do not scrap the cases. When testing the new ones against these; pushing spring ends together, I get full deflection on the originals and no movement on the new ones. I only bought 10 so it's no great loss. I will experiment with them, maybe try and heat treatment and reworking them, just for the he!! of it! ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 6:41am
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I had some Indian ones, they were parkerised & tight as well. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 10:21pm
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wonder if those tight indian ones were for the 308 ammo for the 2A & 2A1 ????
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 10:28pm
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I don't really know. I thought the 7.62 chargers were like the '06 springfield type instead of the deeper .303 type with the 'oles in 'em? There were some Italian made ones too, they had all sorts of (aparrently) random letters, numbers & roman numerals stamped on them. IIRC no-one ever figured out what the stamps really meant (if anything) ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 10:30pm
| i guess i dont really know , i never loaded my 2A or my 2A1 with the chargers when i owned them back when , but the charger bridge did resemble the mkIII/III* enough for me to 'assume' the chargers would be more like the brits than the US versions |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 15 2013 at 2:15am
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OK, its official, we're lost! Indian 7.62 owners to the rescue! What do 7.62 Enfield chargers look like? (a pic would be nice too) Hmmmm...
I just tried a couple of 7.62 rounds out. I don't think the rimless case can work in an Enfield style one, even if its a different dimension, there's no rim to grip & the 7.62 case is actually an even tighter fit than a .303 is! A quick check shows a .303 as 0.455" dia at the case just in front of the rim, but a 7.62 is 0.470" so a 7.62 charger would be loser, not tighter even if they could figure the rim thing out.! ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: January 17 2013 at 1:30pm
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Five round stripper clips made for topping up an M-14 or the ten round clips made for loading M-14 magazines when using an adapter appear to work. Its likely that Springfield and some Mauser stripper clips should also work.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 17 2013 at 10:12pm
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So they're the same as NATO 7.62 strippers? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 17 2013 at 11:25pm
| so my question is did the indian regulars use those ? i supose so as NATO standardized that round and it would make sense that the charging apparatus would be as well |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 18 2013 at 1:34am
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Not a clue! Looking at the 7.62 stripper clips & the .303 chargers side-by-side it seems that they might both fit in the charger bridge, the dimensions across the sides are so close to each other. I'm guessing that the few Indians issued with rifles that also acually had any ammunition just single-loaded them. From some of the stuff I read after the Mumbai attacks most were without any ammuninition at all & training & carry loadout was in the 5~10 round range. There was a couple of references to 5~10 rounds per year was average! ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: January 18 2013 at 4:34am
Don't know if they are exactly the same, but the NATO clip should work if its a one size fits all intended for a wide variety of 7.62X51 rifles and/or magazine loading adapters. If you can borrow a Springfield or Mauser clip give it a try. Not all Mauser clips are the same, some early model clips may be a loose fit.
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Shamu wrote:Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 18 2013 at 5:54am
| sometimes i kind wish i had all my indian made rifles/shotguns around again to check such out , but they are residing with a very nice young man in iowa that seemed pleased to get into collecting , so i am quite happy they are gone at the same time |
Posted By: Enfields4Us
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 3:51am
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I just found 3 bandoliers with fully loaded clips (150 rounds) at a LGS! First set for me. Can't wait to try them. The ammo looks vintage...this should be interesting. Click.....BANG! The fabric is nice and ratty looking, smells like old military stuff. Love it! Oh, and I paid 70.00 USD for all of them.
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Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 6:00am
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Old Indian 7.62 Ammo has a very bad reputation. If you get hangfires I'd not use it. Powders break down and sometimes clump up if stored in tropical conditions for decades. U S milspec ammunition has to pass a test where its stored at 130 degrees for extended periods of time. I don't know what quality control if any the Indians used, and there were many posts about really lousy Indian 7.62 ammo on forums a few years back.
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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 10:28am
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Who is LGS ???? ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: muffett.2008
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 5:41pm
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Local Gun Shop.
I have heaps of old Indian ammo from the 50's and 60's, still goes bang, very consistant over a chronograph with an S.D that most modern ammo would cry for.
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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: February 16 2013 at 10:34pm
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Oh , LOL!!! I thought it was an on line place I had not found yet !!! As for Mil Surp ammo , I have about 2000+ rounds of .303 ammo left , have not had any one purchases any yet though, and for My Commercial .303 I have not sold any of it either .....
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 10:09pm
| im tending to hold my milsurp 303 very close , i dont see it all that often in my limited gunshow walk-a-bouts , ill be buying a bit more when i stumble accross any good stuff |