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Topic: Sporterized and Modified.
Posted By: muffett.2008
Subject: Sporterized and Modified.
Date Posted: May 04 2013 at 7:14am
Whats the chances of altering the "AFTERMARKET ENFIELDS'  heading to AFTERMARKET and SPORTERIZED /MODIFIED ENFIELDS, in order to get the odd "I want to bastardise my rifle" posts away from the serious collector forum? 



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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 04 2013 at 10:50pm
Its not really a serious collector forum as much as a generic I own an Enfield forum IMO. There are serios collector forums, pretty much restricted to collectors, but I'd not think that was the aim of this site, which is its appeal to many members.

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Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: May 05 2013 at 7:33am
I love the Enfield. I love to shoot it, carry it, hunt with it, reload for it and clean it. I understand the desire to keep Enfields intact and original, but really, maybe you shouldn't treat others who aren't such purists as if we were lepers. We share enough in common that maybe you could accomodate us. Just a thought.

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Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: May 05 2013 at 12:21pm
While I would not do it to a intact rifle there are plenty out there that have been sportered already that could make a hunting rifle.  Even I built a hunting rifle on a stripped BRNO mauser action. Nice little Mannlicher stocked carbine fitted with a receiver peep. I killed my first deer with it. I sold it to a co-worker after I had to give up hunting, and he has taken several deer and feral hogs with it.

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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: May 05 2013 at 3:17pm
I don't think we'll go down that road. The "serious" collectors sites end up a mess with all the bitching and in fighting. An enfield is an enfield regardless of of whats happened to it in the past! Some can be restored some can't, either way they have character and history behind them!


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Posted By: flanker
Date Posted: May 05 2013 at 7:45pm
"Aftermarket Enfields" seemsa reasonably neutral term. Maybe those of us who have them should just make better use of that section?

I have (as some will have heard) a Parker Hale Supreme No 4. The  finish in the woodwork is a little worn, I was thinking of stripping it, staining it black,giving it a coat of matt polyurethane varnish, fitting a bipod and having it screwcut for a moderator. It already has a S+K scope mount with Schmidt and Bender 6x42 scope.

That could be quite cool I think, it's not a collectors item as it stands and the finish on the metal is still deep blue.


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Posted By: LilysDad
Date Posted: May 05 2013 at 9:21pm
I hear a lot of complaining about sporterizing, but I haven't heard a word about stripping guns for parts.
If the village came to my house complaining about my yard, I'd have a fit.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 05 2013 at 10:07pm
If the sporterising really bothers you that much why not just don't open the aftermarket sub forum & you should miss most of the issues?
 
I agree with Tony on this, the thing that makes this forum "better" is the variety. I've left a couple of "Collectors only" forums just because the focus ther is so narrow.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: May 06 2013 at 3:20am
Thanks Shamu you put it much more politely than I do! Evil Smile


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Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: May 06 2013 at 4:36am
Being a member of many fora (as most of you are also, I imagine), I have noticed that folks get their noses out of joint when they encounter something they don't like on a sub-forum. It becomes like a "moth-to-flame" situation for some folks, and they click on it and they get upset. So much better to just ignore sub-fora that you don't approve of or aren't interested in. Like me, not interested in bayonets or re-enactments, so I don't even click on them. They don't bother me, just not interested. I'm glad there is diversity amongst Enfield owners.

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Posted By: muffett.2008
Date Posted: May 06 2013 at 6:23am
Thanks all for your interesting insight on this, but notice the double standards with your comments on HERESY.Clap


Posted By: daneko
Date Posted: May 06 2013 at 10:53am
I have both, some nice examples of a no 5 pakistan no4 early 5 groove savage. and on loan to me a 1916 bsa. I like them , I also have a soft spot for santa fe rifles and beyond resto bubba guns.enfields started out one way and due to circumstances and economics. some got changed..I like them all.Dane.....


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 06 2013 at 10:16pm
I don't see a double standard. The consensus was that if its been "pre-bubba'd"Ermm then there's no harm in making an "improved sporter" with a bubba as a starting point. Several had said they would restore a rifle that was only chopped in the wood but not a restorable one.
 
Its the old more than one way to skin a cat thing.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 12:36am
WHO'S Skinnin cats?!
That's not very nice! Poor pussy cat ends up bein chicken-chow-meow
Heathens!
Hoadie

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Loose wimmen tightened here


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 1:31am
Thats "MISTER Heathen"Big smile, sir!

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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: BlackAck
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 1:38am
And I thought it was 'MISS'.... Wink

An Enfield is an Enfield no matter its condition.  Sporterizing just isn't my bag, baby.



Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 2:35am
My landlord in Germany told me very few difference between a cat and a rabbit.

A rabbit does not say "meow" and cat does not have a gamey taste.

How about all the Lee lee Metford carbines and riles form the Boer war that the Boers "customized"?

Where do these fit in?




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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 7:31am
Paddy;
You are referring to "roof rabbit"?
weren't a lot of rabbits round during the later part of the war..so they turned to chicken chow meow aka: roof rabbit
(See-I know all kindsa useless stuff!)
Hoadie

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Loose wimmen tightened here


Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 8:18am
Ah alternative meats, I tend  to avoid them though I once had a highly suspect burger in the Phillipines. I'm not sure, arf, what creature, arf, it was, arf, made of, arf, but  I suspect, arf, that it, arf, was not, arf, a cow.

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Posted By: LilysDad
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 10:27am
Originally posted by paddyofurniture paddyofurniture wrote:


How about all the Lee lee Metford carbines and riles form the Boer war that the Boers "customized"?

Where do these fit in?
 
Oh, well! That's different! Those are 'historical' modifications. Wink


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: May 07 2013 at 11:12am
Hoadie,

I tip my hat to you sir as you are a person of much knowledge.

Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Paddy;
You are referring to "roof rabbit"?
weren't a lot of rabbits round during the later part of the war..so they turned to chicken chow meow aka: roof rabbit
(See-I know all kindsa useless stuff!)
Hoadie


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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: May 26 2013 at 12:04pm
Saw a documentary on invasive species in Australia.
They showed a group of elderly Abo women gather on the edge of town and lure feral cats up close, then bash their little brains out with a long handled club (knobkerrie?).
They then roasted the cats on a spit, hair hide and all.
Apparently this was an old custom since otherwise the older Abo ladies got little fresh meat in their diet.


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: May 26 2013 at 11:04pm
Yum!


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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: ikesdad
Date Posted: August 07 2013 at 8:41am
If I want to cut an Enfield into a sporter, it's mine and I'll do what I wish. Same goes for what I think of those that cut and sport theirs....I don't give a rat's azz.

I think gunboards is more for the anal attitudes.

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Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: August 07 2013 at 11:30am

The suggestion was to have a separate section for spoterizing just to avoid the controvesry and meanless debates.  Other than "What was it?" there is not much point posting in the collectors section, it no longer has collector value or interest.  My old deer gun was built on a stripped BRNO mauser action I picked up. It  no longer is a VZ-24 it is a Mannlicher stocked carbine built on a Mauser action.



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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 08 2013 at 1:47am
just my 2 cents - i should think that those with sported rifles might get better answers to their questions if in a specific section dedicated to that and those that appreciate it , 

and not to be confrontational but.......
 "I think gunboards is more for the anal attitudes." 
........some of us do visit there without issues for the most part , 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 08 2013 at 2:58am
For the most part............

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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Nailcreek
Date Posted: October 03 2013 at 11:18am
I've been reading this thread and thought I would throw my 2 cents into the fray.  I'm personally fine with changing the subforum name.  Some of us kinda have a lot of fun finding the misfit enfields and getting them back into onto the range. 
While I would rather have complete rifles, I can pick up two or three sporters for the price of one really good condition SMLE (of which I have a few myself).  From my perspective, I enjoy it.  I don't butcher the rifles any more than when I find them, and basically clean them up, replace what parts need replacing and get them going again.



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