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Topic: Hunley still strikes fear in Yankee hearts!
Posted By: Ed Hill
Subject: Hunley still strikes fear in Yankee hearts!
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 8:04am
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130604/PC16/130609717/1268/yankees-on-alert-as-hunley-surfaces-in-new-york&source=RSS" rel="nofollow - http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130604/PC16/130609717/1268/yankees-on-alert-as-hunley-surfaces-in-new-york&source=RSS


Apparently the people of the Eastern U.S. ( and Homeland Security) still fear the Hunley.

Ed



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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 9:25am
That is to funny.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 11:38am
I felt quite honoured to be in the re-patriation of the last Hunley crew.
Hoadie

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Posted By: Ed Hill
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 12:13pm
And thank you for your service and respect to American sailors Hoadie.
(I thought you'd like this..)

Ed 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 7:45pm
Thanx Ed.
The neat part about that was - I was INVITED to be there. 6 men from the home re-enacting unit were to escort the caissons with each sailor.
That left 6 holes in the ranks that had to be filled. WE-of all the people that could've been asked (& would've KILLED for the opportunity)-were asked.
Immediatly behind the last caisson, was the "home" unit..then the colour party, then the rest of the procession.
It was a spectacle I was proud to have been associated with.
The recovery of the Hunley (& its last crew) put alot of myths(&ideas) to rest.
Hoadie


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 7:49pm
...& I SHOULD add, they finally got the respect & resting place (in Magnolia Cemetary) they deserved!
Identifying the remains did bring up some new mysteries, tho.
Like: Just WHO were these guys, & how were they recruited so secretley?
They know their I.D., but not alot else.
: One (or two) had been listed in the ANV as DESERTERS..yet show up in the Hunley?!
Hoadie

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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 10:36pm
It to brave souls to go to sea in the Hunley.

God grant them peace.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 05 2013 at 10:40pm
fun read and interestiing back story hoadie , these guys were quite brave to undertake the mission , it had to be considered a very dangerous mission ,  
 
i am going to do some digging to expand my knowledge of this , i appreciate the inspiration ,


Posted By: Ed Hill
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 2:12am
Author Clive Cussler was instrumental in the discovery of the Hunley and has a good write up on his NUMA website.

http://www.numa.net/expeditions/hunley-c-s-s/" rel="nofollow - http://www.numa.net/expeditions/hunley-c-s-s/

Ed


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 5:57am
super source , great wealth of info there


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 8:24am
The Feds gave up on the hunt for it, but the state didn't. When it was found, the Feds sued the state to get it!
As far as I know, that battle STILL goes on.
Its the ONLY sub I've ever heard of that sank THREE TIMES!!
Hoadie


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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 8:54am
The third time is the charm or three strikes you are out.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 10:11am
...It was the 3rd sinking that took the lives of the entire crew..including HUNLEY himself!
Hoadie

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 9:56pm
there were dead in all three sinkings as the remains of the third crew rest near the first two , why does the feds want it ? for the smithsonian ?
 
it was interesting in my reading from that great link i learned it was a german sub in the first world war that finally sank the second ship in combat , near fifty years later , way ahead of its time


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 11:43pm
The Federial Goverment clains all items owned by the CSA. One issue the Hunley was a privateer, not CSA Government owned.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 5:25am
Yes, there were dead in all 3 sinkings...but the first didn't take all the crew.
Hoadie

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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 5:29am
The Hunley is a very small sub.

You would not find me (or Hoadie) turning the the shaft.


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 7:27am
I sat in a replica. It was amazing. They sat on a wooden bench facing each other..in COMPLETE darkness. They turned a crank that looked just like a modern crankshaft. There was only ONE way out...thru the tower.
They had no snorkel system. In my opinion, it would have taken men with INCREDIBLE courage to crew this craft.To think some of them were to be listed as deserters, blows my mind
Hoadie

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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 8:58am
I raise my glass to their memory.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by Ed Hill Ed Hill wrote:

And thank you for your service and respect to American sailors Hoadie.
(I thought you'd like this..)

Ed 


They were INFANTRYMEN, Ed.Confederacy really didn't have much of a navy.These men were pulled from infantry units.

By the by..the fastest blockade runner of the war, was built right here! Right across the street from where my Legion now sits.(Fed navy couldn't catch her.Low draft & fast, allowed her to run the blockade with impunity.)
Hoadie

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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 11:34pm
Hoadie,

I did not know that. What was the ship's CSA name?

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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Originally posted by Ed Hill Ed Hill wrote:

And thank you for your service and respect to American sailors Hoadie.
(I thought you'd like this..)

Ed 


They were INFANTRYMEN, Ed.Confederacy really didn't have much of a navy.These men were pulled from infantry units.

By the by..the fastest blockade runner of the war, was built right here! Right across the street from where my Legion now sits.(Fed navy couldn't catch her.Low draft & fast, allowed her to run the blockade with impunity.)
Hoadie


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Posted By: Ed Hill
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 12:47am
Hoadie, if you're underwater in a submarine, you're a sailor! ( Even if recruited from the infantry)Wink

I wonder if the men who showed as deserters were part of the secrecy behind the sub?
Ed


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 1:53am
I think they left their Infantry units without proper permission, to get a better job or a more exciting one.

Originally posted by Ed Hill Ed Hill wrote:

Hoadie, if you're underwater in a submarine, you're a sailor! ( Even if recruited from the infantry)Wink

I wonder if the men who showed as deserters were part of the secrecy behind the sub?
Ed


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: June 08 2013 at 11:23am
MORE exciting??!! How much more excitement wud a guy need?
Starving...aint bin paid in a year..Yankees always tryin ya..no shoes..away from home & family...clothes reduced to rags..watchin yer friends die of disease / dysentery /lead...fightin a losin battle..I mean-what MORE cud a guy want?!
Hoadie

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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: June 09 2013 at 12:01am
Desperate times lead to desperate act to save your way of life.

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Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: June 13 2013 at 1:17pm
A very well made film about the Hunley is available on youtube.
I lived in Charleston when the movie was being made and when they found the graves of one of the crews.

I've seen replicas of the Hunley and a David salvaged in New Orleans. Its quite humbling to realize just how much sand it took to take one of these out looking to sink a warship.

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There was only ONE way out...thru the tower.

The Hunley had two water tight hatches, one fore the other aft.
The first replica I saw was later found to be inaccurate having been based on early drawings rather than the completed specimen.

When submerged the pressure of the water outside prevented opening of the hatch until there was enough water inside to equalize pressure, by which time it was far too late for the men inside.
With a fairly slow leak and dwindling air supply they were likely over come by CO2 and lack of O2 before drowning.

PS
Just burned Hunley to DVD and watched again, its still a great movie.
I'll check on its historical accuracy.

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They were INFANTRYMEN, Ed.Confederacy really didn't have much of a navy.These men were pulled from infantry units.

According to the film at least one of the crew was newly transferred to the Confederate Navy, he'd been an infantryman but was completely incapable of firing a musket effectively, most likely due to poor vision since he wore thick glasses. He was a stone killer though, and had killed two federal officers with his bare hands. He was chosen because he was apparently fearless, far stronger than he looked, and had a very strong killer instinct despite his mild manners and calm studious appearance.

These are the crewmen so far identified from skeletal remains.
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Life of Strenuous Toil

The battered skull of one of the Europeans—a man in his early 40s who was perhaps named Simkins or Lumkin—revealed that he was a brawler who had been in some intense fights before he became a crewman on the Hunley.

(this character was in the film)

Another European was a young man of about 20, perhaps named Arnold Becker, who may have been from Germany. Becker's spine showed that, despite his young age, he'd already lived a life of strenuous toil, lifting very heavy loads.

One of the Europeans was a man in his mid-40s whose name may have been Miller. The fourth non-American, who could have been named Carlsen, was a daring man who had made a lot of money by running supplies for the Confederate States through the Union blockade of southern ports.

The two men from seceded states were James Wicks from North Carolina and Frank Collins from Virginia. Wicks, who was about 40, was serving in the United States Navy when the war broke out. But when his ship was sunk in fighting at Hampton Roads, Virginia, Wicks joined the Confederate Navy.
(so Wicks at least was a sailor all along)

James Ridgaway was from Talbot County, Maryland. He carried a war souvenir that puzzled the researchers for a while—an identification tag belonging to Ezra Chamberlain, a Union soldier from Connecticut. Researchers thought at first that they'd discovered a Union deserter serving on the Hunley, but later determined that Ridgaway was carrying the tag that apparently had been taken from Chamberlain's body after he'd been killed in battle.
(this may be the stone killer I spoke of)

The fact that George Dixon came from Ohio was only one of several surprises uncovered about the Hunley's commander. After the war, a colorful legend arose about him.

The legend of George Dixon is presented in the film.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=hunley+crew&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CEQQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalgeographic.com%2Fnews%2F2004%2F04%2F0409_040411_hunleycrew.html&ei=ecq7UcWQO5Hy8ATXrYD4Aw&usg=AFQjCNEb-zvhdJgOZ3wPe6b8LwGspkVHFg&bvm=bv.47883778,d.eWU



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