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Posted By: Xk9cop
Subject: Another help request
Date Posted: October 11 2013 at 10:20pm
Hi Gents, I have another info request. I have and have had othere Enfields but I have one thats not marked like the others (was told it was a No.4 Mk.1 when I got it). There are no markings on the right side of the band, it is stamped on the muzzle end of the barrel, a S/N of KA20029 is LIGHTLY stamped on the left side of the band and ETCHED on the back of the bolt handle and MK II stamped on the cocking piece. I'm assuming it may be a MK. II but you know what happens when you assume. I will try to get pics up.

Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: October 13 2013 at 10:52pm
The stuff stamped at the end of the barrel is the proof mark when it was sold out of service. The Mk II on the cocking piece has nothing to do with the rifle model itself. The difference between a No 4 Mk 1 and a No 4 Mk 2 is in how the trigger is hung. On a Mk 1 the trigger is hung on the trigger guard and on a Mk 2 the trigger is hung on the receiver body itself.

Posted By: Xk9cop
Date Posted: October 13 2013 at 11:02pm
Okay, thanks. Any idea on the "KA" in the S/N, it's not list in any of the references I've seen.

Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 14 2013 at 12:37am
Lots of times Enfields were "scrubbed" (old markings removed) when they went to a new country/importer or whatever. Because they were everywhere & cheaply available in the 50's lots of small countries just got bunches of them "gifted" (as in left behind), because its not commercially viable to ship a $5.00 rifle round the globe.

Many of these small countries re-marked in their own style so oddball serial numbers aren't that uncommon.

Mk stampings on parts.
This is done to confuse Brits & non-Brits alike! Many parts have a Mk number, not all the parts fitted to a gun will have the same mark number throughout. Like Casey Jones says in the Mutant Ninja Turtle movies "You have to know what a crumpet is to understand that"!Wacko

See, I said it was confusing!

On parts the Mk No refers to the version of that part, not correctness for that Mk of rifle. In fact you can have multiple Mk numbered parts for the same part on the same MK No of rifle (sights for example)

Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

Posted By: muffett.2008
Date Posted: October 14 2013 at 6:26am
Get Stratton's book on that model, it gives you all the part Mk.'s and variations.

Posted By: Xk9cop
Date Posted: October 14 2013 at 6:47am
Thanks, I greatly appriciate it.

Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: October 20 2013 at 3:44pm
do post more photos , we are interested in your rifle and how much it conforms to its original status , this is after all a sharing site , 

Posted By: MustanGrande
Date Posted: November 18 2013 at 9:20am
I'm fairly certain that the Mk.2 on the cocking piece is actually part of the part number for that piece, similar to the Mk2 or Mk3 volley sights. 

The early No.4s had the Mk1 cocking piece, which had a little knob to aid in grip.

And the rest had the flat Mk2 cocking piece, like yours. (and mine) The reason for the change was most likely ease of manufacture.

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