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Topic: i carry
Posted By: A square 10
Subject: i carry
Date Posted: February 21 2015 at 7:54pm
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i carry most days , unless i know im going somewhere it is illegal that day , i believe in following the law even when i believe it infringes on my second amendment rights , to be law abiding citizens we need to comply even if we disagree - that does not stop us from trying to change the laws and restore the second amendment to full rights similar to the first and that foolish 16th that has cost the US public so much for things that we never intended to fund ,
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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: February 22 2015 at 2:19am
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I'm never without my CZ75 (preB) in 9mmP. We, fortunately, don't have concealed carry laws. So mine is hidden from view all the time. A lot of places (like banks) have no guns allowed signs. I ignore them. I'm carrying legally and if they want my business then they must just accept it.Rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have it. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: February 22 2015 at 8:16am
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i agree. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: Rolltide386
Date Posted: February 22 2015 at 8:25am
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paddyofurniture wrote:Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: February 22 2015 at 8:31pm
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Ah, but it depends where in the world you are. If I'm not mistaken in Texas you can use force to protect your livelihood. In South Africa the law dictates that life is more valuable than property. So, in theory, if I have a rhino poacher using poison to poison a waterhole, I am legally not allowed to draw a firearm on him unless he physically threatens my life. i.e. he rushes me. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 4:29am
But if you fiull your water bottle from the water hole it would threaten your life! so maybe that would allow you to draw your firearm! ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 4:47am
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No, because the "person" is not threatening you directly or any other human life. If there is any chance of you not coming into direct contact with him, then the lawyers will have a field day with you in court. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 4:54am
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That line of thinking reminds me of my brother's situation in court a while back.(He's in a wheelchair - his wife has dog(s). The law said you must post a sign "Beware of Dog" to legally protect yourself. So he did... One night a couple kids (Teens) hopped the fence to steal stuff from his back yard shed. One got bit by a dog. He ended up in court. He argued that the signs were posted..prosecution then had a field day ..."So - you KNEW the dog would bite." Therefore, you must have placed the dog there for that intent. A lot of bother Hoadie ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 10:19am
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It may have been better to post a sign saying "Be aware of the dog" as opposed to "Beware of the dog" Not quite the same meaning. ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 11:50am
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That would not work at my house this year as I am dog sitting for a male pit bull till the end of March. I have dogs but this dog is just nuts. He is six months old has been fixed around New Years but it take a while for them to "calm down". I have to keep him out side or at night in a dog crate. If he got a chance he would have at it with the cow. Should I put up a sign, "dog will screw you to death" ? ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 5:01pm
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"...No, because the "person" is not threatening you directly or any other human life. If there is any chance of you not coming into direct contact with him, then the lawyers will have a field day with you in court. ..." that is basically how our carry law works here , must retreat if possible , only able to confront to protect "life" , has to be life or death and you better be able to prove it , still gonna cost you a fortune in court as hoadie points out ,
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Posted By: Rolltide386
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 5:08pm
| Luckily in Tennessee we have "stand your ground" law. Still have to prove you were in fear, but you do not have to retreat. |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 7:03pm
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I'm surprised that there are no laws on razor wire. Poor criminal, got all cut up trying to get through it.I blame the extreme liberals. Short of using claymores, you should be able to use any means to protect your property.Sometimes I think it would be best to declare your property a shooting range. "Sorry your honour but he crossed the 1000 meter range just as I was firing. Yes your honour I do a lot of my load development at 2am." ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: Rolltide386
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 7:09pm
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Posted By: Lee Enfield
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 8:05pm
Ha ha too.  A friend of mine and I can relate to that. We have noticed a "round" out of the 444 Marlin flying overhead let's poachers know it's not a good idea to be around.  .....sorry "officer" I was taking care of some vermin, didn't know anybody was around ! 
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Posted By: 25-5
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 4:06pm
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I follow the Constitution of the United States of America. In particular the 2nd Amendment. Along with confidence in my ability and regard for the reasonable rights of others I do as my conscience dictates. ------------- For the pikes must be together at the rising of the moon. |
Posted By: Phoenix8513
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 2:34pm
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Just moved to Vermont.. Nice to be in a constitution state.. I have concealed carried for a few years back in SC and MN, but it feels sorta nice to be able to open carry when I feel like it. Still prefer to conceal just not to draw attention to myself. I still have not decided if carrying at work (company policy against employees having firearms on the premises) would be worth the battle since there are no state laws regarding it. I know they could fire me, but considering the state law I believe they would be in for a nasty legal battle. |
Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 4:14pm
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I have always told my Wife to sue if Im killed while using a company vehicle due to the policy regarding no fire arms in company vehicles or the job sight .... When I was working at the ExxonMobil refinery and chemical plant in Baton Rouge they moved a trailer into the parking area with a guard to check your personal firearms into so they would be safe while you were at work!!! you had to apply to Exxon to get a card to show so you could check your firearm in when you got to work!!! if you left it in the vehicle and they did a search you would be fired !! ------------- "White Rhino" "Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 19 2015 at 7:06pm
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my current job has policy prohibiting , i respect it and they are not hardnosed regarding any technicalities , im not concerned there , MN has a carry law - open or concealed , i choose to conceal in general as im not inclined to advertise to those that might wish to take it from me , when i work the gun club or range its often exposed just to be clear i am armed , and its not like im the only one there - everyone is pretty much ,
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Posted By: Phoenix8513
Date Posted: March 24 2015 at 2:41pm
When I used to be in MN I remember some stories of a guy that open carried around Lake Nokomis and the calamity that ensued when a bunch of people called the cops claiming a man with a gun was on the loose.. Needless to say it was an ordeal for the guy and it was all in front of his daughter.. I believe it ended up in court over how the officers handled it. It is always nice to hear when the police do not know the law or decide not to follow it. All the more reason to not open carry, even though it may be legal or our right.
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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 24 2015 at 3:04pm
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the guy that gives our CCW cpourse is a retired chief of police , a 3gun shooter , and a friend , he has been doing my renewals - generally has me RO instead of shoot as he knows i can shoot , we shot three gun together , thats how i met cops from all over and mpls swat cops , these outlaw three gun matches work for part of their training , i can assure you there are many who actually know the law fairly well , but as in every confrontation they must determine their moves based on what is presented in the moment , often a person - otherwise in the "right" - uses the wrong tone or chooses to be confrontational in some way , not a good move ....
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Posted By: Lowspeed
Date Posted: August 07 2015 at 8:52pm
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I hate to hit an old topic but I haven't been here in a long time but A square 10 is exactly right. On top of that I constantly see people doing open carry who have no situational awareness just inviting someone to snatch their gun and wreak all sorts of havoc. Open carry tends to make gun owners look bad. I swear you can tell that most of them want to be the focus of attention and the visible firearm does that for them. In reality it makes them a target for anyone wanting to do harm, those carrying open will be the first to get dropped whereas a concealed firearm at least has the potential for an element of surprise and allowing the ccw person to get inside of a bad guys OODA loop and stop an attack. I tell every one in my CCW classes this in more depth and in fact document it in handouts so when the open carry guy loses his handgun and some innocent gets dusted with it I have a defense for the inevitable lawsuit that will be filed against me because I had the "gun donor" in a class. ------------- If I get knocked down 6 times I will get up 7 times. |