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Topic: HMS Hood bell recovery
Posted By: 25-5
Subject: HMS Hood bell recovery
Date Posted: August 12 2015 at 4:18pm
I came across this on another forum.  I liked it and thought you UK folks would too.
 
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_143942128151617&key=42386b06f192fe5b8a579b08320f7608&libId=id9e6ews0100fi04000DA12n3oqwg&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fsmith-wessonforum.com%2Flounge%2F440831-hms-hoods-bell-recovered-seabed.html&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuknews%2F11793192%2FHMS-Hoods-bell-recovered-from-seabed-by-Microsoft-co-founder.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fsmith-wessonforum.com%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearchid%3D7557425%26pp%3D25%26page%3D14&title=HMS%20Hoods%20Bell%20Recovered%20from%20Seabed&txt=Video%3A%20HMS%20Hoods%20bell%20recovered%20from%20seabed%20by%20Microsoft%20co-founder%20-%20Telegraph" rel="nofollow - http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_143942128151617&key=42386b06f192fe5b8a579b08320f7608&libId=id9e6ews0100fi04000DA12n3oqwg&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fsmith-wessonforum.com%2Flounge%2F440831-hms-hoods-bell-recovered-seabed.html&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuknews%2F11793192%2FHMS-Hoods-bell-recovered-from-seabed-by-Microsoft-co-founder.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fsmith-wessonforum.com%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearchid%3D7557425%26pp%3D25%26page%3D14&title=HMS%20Hood's%20Bell%20Recovered%20from%20Seabed&txt=Video%3A%20HMS%20Hood's%20bell%20recovered%20from%20seabed%20by%20Microsoft%20co-founder%20-%20Telegraph


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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: August 12 2015 at 4:34pm
I am unsure if I would recover it or leaved it.


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Posted By: 25-5
Date Posted: August 12 2015 at 4:49pm
Originally posted by paddyofurniture paddyofurniture wrote:

I am unsure if I would recover it or leaved it.
I would have left it down with the crew.


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"a rumor is half way around the world before the truth gets it's boots on." (Mark Twain)


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: August 12 2015 at 8:29pm
I have mixed emotions here. Part of me thinks it should have been left on the bottom, it is after all a massive war grave and should not be disturbed. Another part of me thinks it was right to bring the bell up. It is a direct link to the lives lost, a solid piece that shows the very dear price of freedom.


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: August 13 2015 at 3:09am
Tom Patten was there..on a smaller ship in escort. He saw her "go up".
Sadly, hes gone now, & cant comment on his feelings about it.

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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: August 13 2015 at 8:12am
God rest them all.


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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: August 13 2015 at 9:38am
If people can see the bell in the Navy Museum; those that know the history can pay their respects, and youngster's on school visits can learn about the history of the Hood and have a thought for the crew! 
So I think it's OK; plus according to the article, finding the bell was a wish of one of the 3 survivors!


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 13 2015 at 8:08pm
i agree with zed on this one - there was a time when i might have said the opposite , but today with all of the revissionist history BS i want the true story known . 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 14 2015 at 6:11am
We once accidentally discovered a War Grave Sunken U-boat.
One thing we did was to retrieve a gold pocket watch that was engraved. The watch was shot, but the case cleaned up very nicely.
We contacted the U-boat museum & historical society & were able to return it to the daughter of the owner.
Sound oafish I know, but we didn't know it was a war grave at the time, no-one did. When she received it it allowed her to finally lay her father, who was just listed as "missing" at rest.
Sometimes there are special circumstances.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 14 2015 at 7:14pm
there is more and more of that these days as the efforts become more sophisticated , its not all about 'treasures' its about the memories and having families with loss know what happened rather than be in the darkness 


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: August 17 2015 at 7:40pm
My mother's cousin Petty Officer Cyril Wharfe (29) was on the Hood. Still is I suppose.
 
Mixed about the bell.  Normally I have an opinion!


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: August 18 2015 at 7:05am
May he RIP.


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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: August 19 2015 at 5:35pm
Paddy,
 
Cyril joined the R. Navy as soon as he left school.
 
HMS Hood was his first "big" ship.
He used to tell his mother,  "Don't worry mam, it's unsinkable!"
 
She never did get over it. neither did his dad. His mam wore black the rest of her life.
 
I think bringing the bell up is a good way to remember the crew.  It takes something Tangible to focus peoples thoughts.
 
I may have got his age wrong. (memory and all that) My mother thought he was same age as her older brother, so he'd be 22 or so.  Mind, her memory isn't as good as it used to be.  She was 16 at the time.
"Always immaculate" was how she described him, "Always very smart".
Was talking to him just prior to them setting sail.


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: August 19 2015 at 6:46pm
Very touching anecdote, Pukka Bundook! Thank you so much for sharing that!

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Castles made of sand slip into the sea.....eventually


Posted By: 25-5
Date Posted: August 21 2015 at 5:16pm
Thanks Pukka.  A personal story like that puts a sad human face on such a loss as the HMS Hood.  Your sharing brings history alive. 
Around here the hood is a gang infested part of Chicago.


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"a rumor is half way around the world before the truth gets it's boots on." (Mark Twain)


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 6:32am
God rest them all.


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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: August 23 2015 at 7:34am
For those interested, here is a link to the HMS Hood association. lots of photos of the ship & her crew over the years, inc. many pictures of those lost in 1941.
 
Will ask the family if anyone has a photo of Cyril.
 
Richard.
 
http://www.hmshood.com/photos/miscellaneous/misccrew.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.hmshood.com/photos/miscellaneous/misccrew.htm
 
PS,
 
Her big guns make our Enfields look a bit small!;
 
15" guns, 428 lbs cordite, a 1920 lb she!!, @ 2462 F/sec.  Range 30,180 yards.....
Off hand, the load would appear pretty close to the .303, just sized up a bit!
Should get me calculator out.....


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: August 24 2015 at 6:36pm
do post it if you find one - we really do need to remember and make it personal 


Posted By: Pedro
Date Posted: February 20 2016 at 4:27pm
I think retrieving the bell will do some good and as is said, it was the request of one of only three survivors. But does this set a precedent for other war graves? How far should you go? I imagine there might be some relatives who would not thank you for this, wanting it kept with their loved one. But there might be others who would might even like their lost one's remains recovered. Hard one to call I feel.



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