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Topic: Any predictions for this time next year ?
Posted By: ikesdad
Subject: Any predictions for this time next year ?
Date Posted: October 25 2015 at 8:42pm
I predict another ammo/components/firearm shortage.
Probably worse than before. The manufacturers have not caught up from the last time.


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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: October 25 2015 at 11:26pm
We have been swamped with "cheap" (compared to other makes) ammo here the last few months. Mainly S&B. I've seen factory ammo that was cheaper than you can reload. Could be the components are getting price (supply and demand has pushed up prices). Hornady bullets have been hard to get hold of. Those that did have were putting 25% on top of regular price. CCI primers haver also been few and far between. S&B primers are a 1/3 the price.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 2:25am
You guys can keep that S&B crap..I want nothing to do with it..@ ANY price!

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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 4:24am
I've been trying out some Sellier Bellot orgives for my No1MkIII*. They are half the price of Sierra Matchkings, so I don't expect the same quality. But they are not that bad either! I'm getting good accuracy  with the softer load that I use in the no1. However I do weigh the orgives and put them in batches of similar weight; as the tolerance is bigger than SMK.
The copper jacket of these orgives is not fully closed at the base; leaving the lead visible. Not sure if that makes much difference! maybe helps the bumping up of the orgive into the barrel.
The price difference is handy too as I'm not wasting competition ammo just for fun!


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 5:39am
..let us know if you ever run across one of their "indestructible" primers!

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Posted By: ikesdad
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 8:04am
Personally, right now I don't care if it's S&B or XYZ, I'm going to start putting it away.
I don't want to get caught with very little like last time.


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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 10:03am
Well Hoadie , you better start using that boarder crossing and getting you cases of ammo !!!! before that yahoo stops that !!!!!
You should of let me bring some .303 up when I came up there in Aug. !! but Y'all do have a better selection of 303 on the shelves up there than we do !!!!
I do have a lot of HXP surplus of 303 .... couldnt resist when one of my old army buds was talking about the B grade ammo that he had just got!!  it looks great !! and it shoots great !!!


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 12:37pm
..Rhino..I can buy 2 boxes of 7.62 X 39 for the price of 1 box of .303.
Guess what I'm building up? (Turns out I have over 100 rnds of .303, anyway.)
Should be looking for some 6.5X55 tho...just in case

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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

..Rhino..I can buy 2 boxes of 7.62 X 39 for the price of 1 box of .303.
Guess what I'm building up? (Turns out I have over 100 rnds of .303, anyway.)
Should be looking for some 6.5X55 tho...just in case


Get you a case state side !!!  and as for the 6,5x55 Last I seen was from Samco Global, and they are out !!! That was MilSurp....
Now I can check the prices for you through one or two of my dealers if ya want me too!!


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 1:06pm
Civil unrest as President Clinton II & Veep Biden take orifice.Evil Smile


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 1:41pm
Trudeau - the younger - is going to sign onto the Arms treaty the world body has been pushing for...You can bet your sweet bippy this will not bode well

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 3:28pm
my crystal ball is still all cloudy - ill start that speculation after the real stuff begins in earnest 


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 4:08pm
I hope your wrong, Hoadie!

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: October 26 2015 at 7:09pm
..he's already said it.

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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: October 27 2015 at 12:41am
I've been contemplating buying S&B primers just because the price is lower, but have got cold feet. CCI are my first choice followed by PMP (nice and hard) and then, shudder, Winchester. Winchesters are priced between CCI and S&B. So not too bad. PMP are similar, maybe a fraction more than, CCI.
CCI will always be my carry and hunting primer. The others are just for practice. 

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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: October 27 2015 at 4:03am
I've not used SB primers, and I won't buy their cases either. Even the .22 ammo I tried in the No8 was the worst for accuracy!


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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: October 27 2015 at 7:02am
As I sit here this afternoon, I am getting emails with seriously low prices on bullets. I get my end of year bonus end next month. Think I'll max my credit card out in the next few weeks and buy lots of stock. The courier is going to curse me for all the heavy parcels.
 
When I buy components I write the date and price on the box/tin. When friends need stuff I charge them a bit extra over what I paid. I got a box of .375 300gr BarnesX bullets I bought in '96 or '97 and paid a whopping R150 (US$20 back then) for 100. Now they don't make those any more (or in 100's), but the replacement TSX (The Same eXact) would cost me north of R2100 (US$140). Working back the exchange rate (to negate the declining value or the Rand) , it comes out at 650% increase over 20 years or 30% per year. I couldn't get a third of that at the best interest rate at the bank.
 
I know a guy who doesn't put away his money in the bank, he buys new firearms and sells them after a year or two for a goo0d return.


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Posted By: Gun Nut 4
Date Posted: January 06 2016 at 3:39am
The word is ogives not orgives, keep it simple use bullet heads or projectiles. Using fanciful names for substandard products does not improve their quality or performance and leave people scratching their heads to figure out what you're talking about, even though what your saying suggest that you might be talking about bullet heads.

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Posted By: evanguy
Date Posted: January 06 2016 at 5:19am
I believe he was talking about the ogive part of the bullet head. saying the whole ogive is lead and only the bearing surface of the bullet head is jacketed. so not only lead tipped but also lead back to the bearing surface of the bullet head. so it has a lead ogive. he used it correctly. also the ogive is the section of the bullet head that touches the lands when seating to the lands so hes saying it may be all lead to enable you to seat to the lands as if it was a cast bullet

Edit: i do see where he used it inplace of projectile one of the times he used the word...


Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: January 06 2016 at 7:31am

Technically it is also wrong to call it a bullet head. A bullet is the bit that leaves the firearm.

The ogive is the part of the bullet where it reaches its maximum diameter. It is not necessarily the part that touches the lands.
 
We do have to give a bit of leeway when discussing things unless you are really discussing a technical part. Gun is used to describe various types of firearms. Round to describe an assembled cartridge, etc
 
Ogive is not in most spell checks and misspelling it orgive is understandable. Much like Americans can't spell colour or tyre correctly, let alone have the steering wheel on the right side of the car.
 
And don't even get me started on the use of "point blank range"


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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: January 06 2016 at 8:19am
More Enfields and more ammo.

I am hoping for good things.

Beer costs to go down.

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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 06 2016 at 11:37am
Apologies for the spelling of "ogive"! Ouch
However I would be surprised if anyone was confused by the term even when spelt incorrectly. 
I tend to use this term for rifle projectiles and "bullet" for pistol projectiles because of the shape. I realise this is not necessarily an accurate description; (as the pistol bullet is also a form of ogive) but thats just how I differentiate between the two.

Regarding the quality of the SB "projectiles". I am please with the results. I'm getting good results with my no1 rifle at half the price of the Sierra's. That means I can shoot more rounds  for the same money Thumbs Up




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Posted By: Gun Nut 4
Date Posted: January 06 2016 at 2:49pm
Speaking of 'point blank range,' there are some differing ideas about it. I believe the term was initially used to describe the setting of a cannon at zero elevation. It now seems to be used to describe the distance traveled as a projectile moves from the top to bottom through a targeted area. I only wish they had left well enough alone, and found another term to describe the latter idea. 

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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: January 06 2016 at 7:19pm
Wikipedia describes it best.
I hadn't considered the taper of a cannon. If you think of an old navel gun you don't see it that much, but then think of a civil war type gun (the highly polished ones you see in the movies) and it starts making sense.
 
Was this angle a consideration when guns were cast?


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 06 2016 at 8:09pm
we still get to watch the legacy building efforts of the lame duck - it WILL influence what occurs this year , he is off to a great start , lets see if he can dig himself to carters level , 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 07 2016 at 3:03am
You guys & your improper nomenclature!
A "GUN" is a GUN!! Like a SHOTGUN or an artillery piece.
A "RIFLE" is a rifle,(& yes - the civil war used RIFLES!! )
A "MAGAZINE" is a Magazine..not a "clip", & a "CHARGER" is a charger, not a "STRIPPER"!! Oi...
(I made the mistake of referring to the 10th Battery's 25 pounder @ the levy as a "Canon" @ the New Years Levy..Damn near wore the whole bowl of "Bull's Milk" for that)

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 07 2016 at 7:45pm
i take it that was a big rifle - im not clear , there were canon that were described by the pound - they were fed from the front 

http://www.yesterdaysweapons.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12976


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 08 2016 at 3:46am
When I took my black powder artillery training, we used 3 pieces. The 12 lb Napoleon, & 3" were referred to as "Canons". The Parrot was a "RIFLE".
I dunno...but methinks the Legion uniform is the only thing that saved me from wearing the 10th's bowl of Bull's Milk @ the levy.(Won't refer to the 25 pounder as a "Canon" again! They get bent outta shape worse than ME!! )


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 08 2016 at 5:48pm
the parrot is a rifled barrel so i get that , i -who have no training- always thought of smooth bore as cannon , 

im still learning here 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 08 2016 at 6:14pm
Me too, A Sq...but even during the Un-civil war they reffered to the napoleons etc as "guns".



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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 09 2016 at 7:39am
yes , i also heard the iowas rifled 16 inchers referred  to as "guns" 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 09 2016 at 12:54pm
I'm not sure. The last time I called a naval 8" a "gun" I got all sorts of flak for it they wanted to call them "rifles"Shocked


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 09 2016 at 2:06pm
..gunners are a strange lot

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Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: January 10 2016 at 5:50am
There is two ammunition plants with in two hours of here both Remington and Winchester are producing ammunition 24\7 and have warehouses slap full. Now they're both shipping out everyday all day too.


Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 1:08am
With the recent developments over here and on the continent I'm quietly stockpiling primers, powder and bullets. I have a feeling things are going to get nasty soon. France is nearly on its knees germany is led by an idiot the uk is a close second with ca moron as prime minister. The eu is falling apart and all because angle grinder merkel opened her big trap and flooded germany with immigrants. Now the dark side of the german public is starting to show, national socialism is rearing its ugly head again following the rapes and assaults (over 500 incidents in germany) on women during the new year celibrations and other eu countries are reporting similar incidents. It's going to end in tears.


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 3:23am
...See? The NDSAP wasn't dead all along...they was just playin possum til an opportunity like this should arise...& here it is.
Over here, people are just PISSED with the refugee/immigrant situation.Everone U talk to get VERY upset.The gov't keeps telling us that Canadians are "behind" this...NO WE'RE NOT! True - dope & his lackies are spilling out propaganda that would humble Josef Goebbles!
Think your right,Tony. People have said to me outloud..they fear there will be a "holy / racial" war, & its going to happen in the west.(They've brought it to us.)

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 8:10am
i hope your prediction is wrong but i fear it to be correct , 


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 8:15am
Still buying more ammo.

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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 11:43am
I've said many times there will be trouble and possibly civil war in the uk and most of the other ex squaddies say the same. People seem to think because we are a laid back nation we are ripe for a take over, angle grinder merkels dad Adolf learned the hard way and I think a lot more will realise we won't be bullied or browbeaten when the chips are down. The terrorists are claiming they are going to take over spain and claim the land they lost six hundred years ago, I think the spaniards will have quite a bit to say about that if they try.


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“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 1:10pm
i agree tony , we may seem docile or even reconciled to the inevitable , but thats just because they have not yet ruffled the right hackles , 

all this BS about 'retaking ground lost' is just that - BS , things changed hands through the centuries many times , its not that past they need to concentrate on its the current takeover attempt , that is what determines the next 'history chapter' , 

all the falderall over who owns what still depends on who has control currently , the mideast countries that attacked isreal multiple times in the second half of the last century still wish to claim the territory they lost because they got their a$$e$ handed to them in the fight they started , 

past glory is only the past - fun to recall but really holds no weight in today's politics , bad choices by our current governments in defending us from outside threats and evil will be far more important in the outcome , and what transpires in the next decade 


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 4:59pm
..still - laws MUST be changed in Canada & the UK for "Home Defence". Cuz I tell ya right now, the courts are going to be overwhelmed with cases of folks protecting themselves & they'rs.

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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 7:30pm
I read somewhere that the UK wants to kick out any non EU citizen that earns less than GBP35k/pa. The average in UK is about GBP25k/pa. You have to remember that a large percentage of the UK work force is foreigners. If this deportation goes through the about 50000 (legal tax paying) South Africans will be heading home. I'm sorry to say but the British are a lazy bunch and rely heavily on foreigners to do the work. I know this from working, legally as an EU citizen, in the UK for 7 years.
Over here we have a huge "refugee" problem. Half of Zimbabwe and Mozambique live in South Africa. No one can give a close estimate to the number of "illegals" living and working here because they just don't have a clue where to start counting.
 
I'm all for allowing people to migrate to a country where they want to live and work, as long as its not at the expense of the citizens who want to contribute to their country.


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 24 2016 at 10:59pm
Those of us who do work and there's plenty of us who do struggle to get jobs! Why?? Because the imigrants will work for lower wages and claim working tax benifits which they send home to their native county. They get free medical treatment and housing benifits (but have never paid ito the system) and live 10 to a house, you try telling the steel workers they're lazy and you'll probably end up lynched. 1500 jobs went at Scun thorpe just before christmas and another 2000 are due to lose theirs when the Tata plant closes its doors in the nex few weeks. We haven't got a coal mine working in the uk because they busted the miners so now we import coal from poland. Us brits will work and I resent the coment we are "lazy" all we want is a fair days pay for a fair days work!!!!


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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)


“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 25 2016 at 4:02am
uh - oh...methinks the temperature is rising!

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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: January 25 2016 at 7:42am
I think that I may have not made my point as well as I could have and p'ed Tony off a bit.
Just my observations. I worked in the UK in retail, vehicle delivery (not a plater or car thief!) and in a large architectural firm running IT. I worked with a lot of Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans and Poles and we noticed a definite difference in work ethic between people brought up in the UK and those working there legally but from outside UK. I'm not saying that all UK workers are like this or that they don't work hard but the way they would complain endlessly. I must admit that I did leave before the economy tanked and it may be different now, but where I've come from you a job is a job.
Quote You don't need to make a million
Just be thankful to be workin'
If you're doing what you're able
And putting food there on the table
And providing for the family that you love
That's something to be proud of
I do resent the fall back line "Because the immigrants will work for lower wages". As far as I know there are minimum wage rates in most countries as set out by the government. If there are so many jobs taken up by foreigners, why were UK citizens not queuing up for those jobs?  
As for sending money "home". It double taxed. You get taxed in UK when you earn the money. You get taxed again in the "home" country. Its normally smaller amounts that leave. Larger amounts need to be declared and you could end up paying even more tax.


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 25 2016 at 9:32am
Yes you peed me off and yes there is a minumum wage but when you get groups living 10 to a house ALL claiming housing benifits they're on easy street. The crime rate in Boston (East Anglia) has hit the roof, there are more murders there than any other UK town including London (FACT). There are so many migrants there it's become the Migrant Capital of the uk.(FACT). You may consider us IDLE but when migrants will work cash in hand for below minimum wage and claim unemployment benifits US BRITS don't stand a chance. So keep your opinions to yourself!!


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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)


“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 25 2016 at 10:04am
OK Chilluns, play nice or daddy will have to spank some Peepees.
Censored


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 25 2016 at 10:52pm
As an addendum to my last post. On BBC tv last night a team of investigators went into a house looking for illegal immigrants. Squalor doesn't even come near to describing the state of the place, there were 70 people exisisting there. The land lord another immigrant is charging £70/bedspace/week, the bunks were 3 high and sanitation virtually none existant. Some illegals were arrested and taken for processing before being returned to their county of origin. Thats why brits can't get jobs, all of them were working cash in hand and getting housing benifits too.


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“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 26 2016 at 4:31am
it's not just the UK either Tony. Europe is becoming weighed down with immigrants and t**ser's. Artcle in the paper today shows a "bidonville" built on an old railway line in the 18th arrondisement of Paris. Full of Rom gypo's, they spend the day picking pockets or begging in the metro and the night time nicking stuff from building sites to make their huts. And some French loonies are saying we should teach them french and school their kids.
We should f*** em off back home is what we should do!


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 26 2016 at 5:08am
I know exactly what you mean Zed, a young lady was stabbed and killed in Gothenberg by a youth of 15. She was a care worker helping young refugee kids aged 14 to 17 who had arrived without their parents. The world is going insane, how you guys tolerate the problems especially around Calais is beyond me. Something has to give soon, Enoch Powell said in the sixties "there will be rivers of blood" if the idiots in power don't control immigration.


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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)


“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: January 26 2016 at 9:01am
The world is getting crazier everday.

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 26 2016 at 9:15am
...not me!! I was already there!!

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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 26 2016 at 9:34am
Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids.


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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)


“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: January 26 2016 at 7:15pm
Just to clarify, as most of what I was talking about was misinterpreted.
 
Originally posted by DairyFarmer DairyFarmer wrote:

I'm all for allowing people to migrate to a country where they want to live and work, as long as its not at the expense of the citizens who want to contribute to their country.
I was not talking about the "asylum" seekers. I was talking about legal, hard working, non citizens, who go to other countries and work. In many cases these people are seeking citizenship (economic migrants) or are supplying a skill that is lacking.
 
People that are less skilled or are just getting started are willing to accept lower wages than locals. Not to "steal" jobs, but to earn a wage and contribute to the country that has allowed them to live and work there.
If people do not report benefit cheats, companies who use illegal labour and "slum lords", only society can be blamed. All the companies that I worked for in the UK were diligent regarding my work status. Besides the fact that I have Irish citizenship, because I am South African, they were very careful about employing me.
 
Countries that are lax about "illegals" have only themselves to blame. Why do you think there are people in US saying that a wall is needed across the whole Mexican boarder? Is he saying out loud what everyone is secretly thinking? Europe has been too soft on "asylum seekers" for far too long and have made a situation that they will never resolve.


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: January 26 2016 at 10:57pm
I suggest you join the real world and read what is actually happening. Norway Sweden, Finland , Germany, France, Holland and Belgium all at their wits end, rapes, thefts and murders are a daily occurence. Greece is overwhelmed with immigrants and they're struggling to stop the flow. Try reading Zeds post and my comment re the young lady who has been murdered and check on how many rapes and assaults there were on new years eve, 500 in germany alone Austria Sweden and Norway had the same problem. Why do you think the Germans have formed vigilante groups and national socialism is starting to gain more followers!!!


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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)


“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 27 2016 at 4:00am
Just Google "Paris bidonville 2015" and have a look at the images.
it's the European SOWETO, but they are springing up all over the place. Calais is a total disaster.
The politicians always turn away from the real hard issues.


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