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Topic: A couple of stocks
Posted By: Von Gruff
Subject: A couple of stocks
Date Posted: October 29 2015 at 7:04pm
Not long back during a conversation with a member (who may introduce himself) that involverd a pattern for the Lee Speed styled sporting stock with the upshot being that I am going to make him a pattern for the MK 3 in the Lee speed style as he has a copying machine to do them in walnut from there.
At the same time a friend here in NZ got in touch to say his Martini has had a 303 Enfield barrel fitted and was ready for a stock for that as well so after he delivered the barrelled action here this morning I decided to cut out the two of them at the same time as they both need the through bolt hole and I thought to drill them with the one set up.
Because I generally do both of these sporting stocks with the checkered steel butt plate I cut the butt to suit as the curve they need would make the L O P too short if it was cut for a flat faced soft recoil pad although they are hardly needed for the 303.
 
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12



Replies:
Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 5:21am
I wish I had just a fraction of your wood working ability! When it comes to dealing with wood I am all thumbs, I swear.


Posted By: evanguy
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 5:53am
Looks good man, i made a butt stock for my "target lithgow). i did it out of two inch maple that started as my fireplace mantal. ill post a pic up when i get home. i didnt finish the wood so its all dirty from holding it but it works lol. i also didnt drill through it i sent a smaller bolt in through the receiver into the wood. i did the parker hale style butt stock with no cheekrest. i made the front stock from aluminum and it just goes to the end of the reciever and covers the mag and trigger assembly. it has a bipod so i never have to hold the forestock. next mod is to make the bipod come off the forestock not the old rear site on the barrel.


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 8:07am
Nice work, Von Gruff!

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Posted By: flatdarkelf
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 12:41pm
VG,
It's looking fantastic!  I can't wait to start cutting from those patterns.  Thank you!


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 3:27pm
this is an interesting project , ive alwaysa wished i could sculpt well enough to do something like this , but although i see in three dimensions well free forms have always illuded me 


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: October 31 2015 at 7:32pm
Have had a few hours in the shed today and have the stripped action down into the wood.
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I do like the steady progress that the hand router gives and allows enough time between incremental settings to ensure depth is gained going down in a straight line.
 
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When it has been roughed out the smoke fitting can start and here I am just about down to the last little bits
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And with it settled down it is time to call it quits for the day.
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: October 31 2015 at 8:05pm
keep posting theprogress , you have my attention and my interest , thos is a great endevor , 


Posted By: flatdarkelf
Date Posted: October 31 2015 at 10:56pm
Fantastic! Clap


Posted By: evanguy
Date Posted: November 01 2015 at 7:28am
Ok man, thats pretty freaking awsome. im loving the hand router.


Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: November 01 2015 at 5:52pm
Nice !!!  I like !!!


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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 01 2015 at 7:44pm
It was the turn of the bottom metal to be fitted in today and by using a push pin rather than the threaded screw I can have easy and quick fitting to get the lines as it lowers into the wood. Thus is where the little 6 oz tapping mallet takes over from the larger model. It is better to tap a dozen times to get a cut rather than once with the heavier mallet that might just be more than required. 
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: November 02 2015 at 6:05am
That is just astounding to me. Good work!


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 02 2015 at 11:15am
It is Art! I love it!

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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: November 02 2015 at 5:16pm
I cant wait to see the finished product !!!!


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"White Rhino"

"Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." --W. C. Fields


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 02 2015 at 8:04pm
Don't forget that this is a pattern stock so there is no fancy grain or colour to it, just something for the copy machine to go off, but it will allow  the machine to produce the Lee Speed style sporting stock  in nice walnut when done.

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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 03 2015 at 7:47pm
The magazine well got done today, then the socket was fitted before I started on the barrel inlet,  and having had quite a few hours bent over the bench I left it for the day after it was past the half way mark but that is the easy half where it is really more roughing work that fitting. . When I finish it tomorrow I will put it aside and get Euans Martini up to the same stage before any shaping is done.
 
Smoking into the socket
 
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First assembly
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And the barrel fitted with the inlet for it started.
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 04 2015 at 5:11pm
looking good , keep posting your progress , this is fun and you are doing really nice work , 


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 04 2015 at 7:53pm
With a few more hours the barrel was finished. Smoking in is a really good way of doing this as the soot easily wipes off the steel afterward and is not penetrative for the wood so is easily taken off as well.
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So with it at this stage it will be put aside while Euans Martini gets up to the same stage where shaping can begin
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 04 2015 at 8:01pm
With the headless bolt in place a start can be made
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With the headless bolt down the bolt hole the socket dimensions can be marked on the face of the stock then a free handed interior line marked round so the process can start.
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After it has been smoked down into position.
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It can then be bolted up to check for tight fit against the face of the socket and the socket edges
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 The forestock is started by marking out and cutting the action stub
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And the roughing out can start.
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This has been a long day and with tomorrow looking to be a bright still day I am going to burn some powder in a few of my own rifles.
 


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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: flatdarkelf
Date Posted: November 05 2015 at 7:40am
Beautiful! Clap


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 05 2015 at 10:26am
I like your Purple Heart vise jaws. Thumbs Up
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: November 05 2015 at 11:20am
This is simply impressive! Thumbs Up


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 05 2015 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by W.R.Buchanan W.R.Buchanan wrote:

I like your Purple Heart vise jaws. Thumbs Up
 
Randy
Cheers Randy.
They were from a pair of double hung sash windows I made where the purple heart was used for the sills.


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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 06 2015 at 3:21pm
Garry:  I have a  friend who makes Hydroforming Dies out of Purple Heart.  it is pretty dense stuff.
 
For those who don't know.  Hydro Forming is a process where a die is made that duplicates the odd form of a compound curved panel,,, like a Blister on an Aircraft Engine Cowling.
 
The Die is sat on the base of a large hydraulic press and piece of sheet metal is laid on top of the die.
 
The moving part of the press has a large thick piece of hard rubber on it's face and when lowered onto the die it deforms to the shape of the die and the sheet metal is formed to the exact form of the surface of the die.
 
You see this all over the place, and lots of body parts for cars are made this way,,,now you know how it was done.
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 06 2015 at 6:20pm
I understood hydroforming to be the use of water to form with. I hydro formed the first few cases for my 6.5 Grendel-Max so I could have a formed case for the gunsmith to use as a head space guage.
In this pic the 7.62x39 is on the left followed by the 6.5x36 then the Grendel and then there is my Grendel-Max with the 123gn A Max and then my cast bullet.
There are chamber neck dia, leade length differences in the reamer but to hydroform the first case I made a .05 spacer and permanently fixed it to the top of the she!! holder, filled the case with water (insert a fired primer first though) and run it up into the FLS die with the expander stem removed. Then a steel dowel that is a firm fit in the neck of the case is slid into position so it rests on top of the water and given a few hefty blows with a hammer and the water pressure hydroforms the case walls forward to meet the die shoulder and you have the means to set the head space for the barrel. All the rest of the brass was expanded to 308 then necked back down to 6.5 with an extra .006 shim on top of the she!! holder so that I would have a crush fit in the chamber and fireformed all the cases with a small dose of red dot and a cast bullet. For subsequent sizing the she!! holder with the .05 spacer keeps the brass from entering the die fully by that .05 so I am sizing for my chamber. I have just replaced one lot of my (hornady) brass after numerous reloads and replaced it with Lapua. I have killed many animals using this rifle that is a customised mini mauser where I lengthened the magazine considerably and made the stock from a self made laminate.
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 08 2015 at 10:32am
Hydroforming can be done with Fluids as well.  There are different forms of Fluids, and some are denser than others.
 
Water, oil, Mercury are all Fluid.  Glass is a liquid it is just super cooled at room temp.  People are always amazed at how Glass windows in old houses are thicker at the bottom than the top.  The glass has flowed down over time.
 
The hard rubber is used in the case of sheet metal forming since there would be no way to contain the liquid.  it is also not as big a mess.
 
I had a friend when I was young that was depriming Berdan Primed 8MM cases using oil.  I stopped by his garage that day after school and he had oil everywhere.
 
I asked him why he didn't use water instead? Ermm
 
His Dad beat him when he got home from work.  Then asked him why he didn't use water?
 
No answer.
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 7:44pm

I had other things to do for the last few days but got back to it today and had a reasonable result.
Finished off the forestock barrel channel
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Then the forestock latch needed seeing to
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 7:54pm
thank you for podsting this - im enjoying it


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 7:56pm

I put it together just to see how it looked
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Then it was the turn of the butt plate so it got marked out and the beak inlet
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Then some thickness was planed off the butt stock to make less material to be removed when getting the plate fitted
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I forgot to take a pic when I did it but the lever cup was fitted when the butt stock was still in the square
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And then the start of some shaping began but the day had been long enough that a rudimentary shape was all I got it to.
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 7:59pm
And now that I have the butt plate shape I can take a pattern and transfer that to the Mk 3 pattern stock which will be next job on the list as the martini needs the forestock banded attachment piece fitted further up the barren than it is now and secures into place so it can be inlet while the forestock is in the square.

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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: flatdarkelf
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:34am
Garry,
The grain on that Martini is fantastic.  That will be one beautiful rifle.


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 9:10am
The grain on that martini has been quite trying, especially in the forestock as it is a very dense fiddleback and the normal scraping for fit is much more difficult because of the changes in grain direction. The buttstock is not quite as difficult but I still need my wits about me to make sure I  am not about to go against the grain. 

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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 10:40am
Garry:  You better make that wood dark this time.
 
Something on the order of this might be in order.
 
This one is a nice Winchester Red.  Even a little darker would be cool.
 
I just got a NRA Sporter Stock from this outfit and can't wait until it shows up.  I will be going for something around this color on it. IE;  a base stain with Brownells French Red and then maybe darken it up a little more for richness.
 
Just a thought floating it's way down to Kiwi Land.
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 11:00am
Alkanet root is the way to get the old English stock colour Randy as that enhances rather than colours the natural grain  past the darkening that the oil finish will give it and I anticipate that this one will show off its best with this approach as well.
Like you, I prefer the darker stockwood although many of the early 20 century stocks have darkened because of the oil and sunlight over the years and when they have been de-oiled for a refinish they have come back to what I am trying to recreate with the alkanet root that they initially used. 


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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 4:15pm
i really like the looks of it - its coming together really well 


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 6:57pm
Today it was the turn of the Mk 3 pattern stock to get some attention and having the butt plate on the martini I could then copy the curve onto a block of wood and use that to outline the plate shape on the pattern stock. The instructions were not to inlet for the steel plate but to make it compatible so that it can be copied or cut off if a flat faced soft pad was going to be used. At the same time I marked the grip cap and planed down to the respective lines to assist in removing some bulk before the actual shaping started
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After "some time" and effort this shape found its way out of the blank and so it got sanded down to 100 grit.
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The forestock was sat in place and the shaping lines marked in
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After running it through the band saw the plane takes the corners off
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The a length of 60 grit emery belt is used to "shoe shine" a rounded bottom to the forestock
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When that was done I decided to leave it for the day
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So, this is where it sits at the moment
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: flatdarkelf
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 8:02pm
Garry,
The work looks amazing.  It's hard to imagine these are going to be used just as patterns.  Thank you!


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 12:26am
Garry; can't wait to see them in color.
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 7:06am
Randy,
 
I can assure you, Garry knows what he is about re. colouring!  You will be very pleased with the results I am sure!


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 9:40am
I have seen a lot of Garry's work over at Castboolits.com and his attention to detail is second to none.
 
But what has impressed me most is his willingness to share his techniques with the World.
 
This makes all of us who play with this stuff Better Craftsmen, and I personally have picked up more than one little tidbit to enhance my projects.
 
The two key factors of Craftsmanship are:
 
1. Attention to Detail  and
 
2. Personal Responsibility
 
Garry's got both down pat.
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 4:49pm
taking shape nicely 


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 7:33pm

The first chore today was to fit the barrel band attachment for the forestock and as it was smaller in inside diameter than needed to get as far up the barrel as the forestock dimensions required. A piece of 220 grit wet and dry was wrapped around the barrel with the band over it and by working it back and forward and having many tries I was able to increase the I D.
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Still a way to go as I wanted it to cover the main pin hole for the original rear sight . ( this is a good take-off smle barrel)  The cross barrel pin hole can have a pin driven in and dressed off later on.
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Having marked where it was to go to on the barrel and transferred the marking to the forestock it was time to remove a little wood
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 7:42pm
With the band fitting into the forestock I could drive it onto the barrel. A good clean and a light smear of Imperial sixing wax was enough to help get it up  to the desired point where it is a very tight no slip fit. It took a little to drive it the last 1/2 mm but a brass block and going round the band got it sorted. Of course I did set a level on the action bottom to get it right in the vise and then checked the bottom of the band nut to make sure as I went forward.
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The machine screw that had been with it needed a little shortening and the back of the head re-shaped  to mate with the counter bore in the forestock but eventually it all came together.
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Then the excess width was bandsawn off
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 7:55pm

The rest of the day was taken up with shaping the forestock
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And finishing the butt stock shaping, with it all sanded to 100 grit
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At this stage it will wait till Euan can have a check fit as the brief was to make this a slim trim sporter and putting it on the scales it tips them at 6 lb 1 oz with the only addition to be a set of open sights and a barrel band sling eye (half way between the forend tipand the muzzle(  so it will probably not go over about 6 lb 3 or 4 when finished. The grain in this one is quite spectacular as the full fiddle back in the forestock runs back down the wrist of the butstock where it reduces and straightens into the  dark and light pattern. With some alkanet and oil it will be quite striking.



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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: flatdarkelf
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 8:04pm
Beautiful Garry.  There will be one proud Martini owner. Thumbs Up


Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: November 12 2015 at 8:59am
You are a real master of wood working. I tip my hat to you, sir.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 12 2015 at 5:32pm
looking good and i think it will have beautiful color 


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 13 2015 at 9:28am
Yes, that one big black stringer along with all the Fiddleback in that blank will definitely show thru in the end. I see lots of details that are going to add to the character of that rifle.
 
I love it when hidden details show themselves, it's almost like Christmas.
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 13 2015 at 11:07am
Another thing that has possibly arisen is that this is one of the many pics that Euan showed me to typify what he would like the finished rifle to look like as far as proportions and lines went except that where this one has flutes at the comb nose he wanted the wrist lengthened so there were no flutes which you can see by a comparison of where the lever end is in relation to the comb nose.
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He rang last night and we organised for him to come through today for a check fitting and I mentioned that I have a piece of buffalo horn that suit the forend tip to make it more like the old time custom rifles so that is another little possibility we will discuss today.


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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 13 2015 at 3:50pm
it looks great , 


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 13 2015 at 7:02pm
Euan has been in for a check fitting and a decent yarn and has decided that the piece of buffalo horn for the forend tip will be a very nice finishing touch so that will get attended to
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The pattern stock has been finish shaped so it only needs the sanding done now before an insect controll coat and some B L O (no raw wood goes international shipping ) and then that can be dispatched.
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 13 2015 at 7:06pm
The other good outcome of the day was that Euan bought down an original fish belly 5 shot magazine for the  Lee Speed styled sporting rifle I built for myself some time back. These magazines are more scarce than hens teeth so I was /am very pleased to have this to finish my rifle to what I always saw in my mind.
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 14 2015 at 9:31pm
one beautiful rifle , if i were into spporters instead of military id be inclined to that for certain , you do great work , id be proud of that one 


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 15 2015 at 8:40pm

The pattern stock has been sanded to 150 grit and given a couple of coats of B L O to give it a minimum of protection.

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Then it was onto putting the buffalo horn tip on the Martini and there is nothing quite like cutting the end off a fully shaped forestock to add the tip for making you very carefull of measurements etc

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Normally I have three brass dowels to hold the tip on but this forestock is so slim that I only really had room for two. The 1/8 in brass dowels are bruised with a set of end nippers to make them a bit more grippy and the epoxy is mixed with a touch of black concrete die to match the the horn tip after it is polished just in case there is any imperfections in the mating surfaces

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All clamped up where it will sit for a couple of days while I do other "stuff".
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 3:45pm

A few hours this morning had the raw horn shaped back to where the old tip had been
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 With tape around the end of the file I can make sure that I am keeping things from getting down past the original bed. I keep the taped end in the barrel channel but had to sit it like this so it would balance for the pic.

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So back to a 150grit finish at this stage.

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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 3:44am
Thats going to be a handsome rifle when it's finished. Very fine work indeed. Thanks for posting the progress.


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Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 12:48pm
Garry:  I use Surf Board Resin "Pigment" to color the epoxy.  Started doing it on knife handles in 1984, and I figured it out all by myself.
 
It really does make all the difference in your glue joint.  There is never any gaps showing when you use the colored Epoxy.
 
Here's a perfect example of this technique.  The Red liner material was Glued to the Black handle material using Red Epoxy, then the scales were glued to the knife tang using the same colored glue.
 
It was nearly impossible to perfectly match all the angles involved on this type of handle, but the colored epoxy filled all the gaps and yielded a perfect fit everytime.
 
This knife was made in 1984 and was my daily carry for many years.  It has been sharpened exactly twice.  The blade is made from 154CM hardened to 62-63Rc.  Took a while to get that first edge on it but it lasted for the first 20 years.
 
 
 
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 9:33pm
That is a good looking handle Randy. I have not done any of my knives with liners but I can appreciate how much the need for the coloured epoxy might come in handy.
 
A progress report sees the martini stock having been sanded to 360, wetted and re-sanded then repeated twice with 600grt paper. After that it has had a couple of applications of alkanet root oil and is sitting drying for now. It will be finished off over the next week or two.


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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 10:02am
Garry the liner material comes in thickness of .015-.030 and is available in Red, White, Blue and Black.
It gives a little bit of contrast to an otherwise mundane Black/Stainless look.  I tried just about every color combination I could come up with but the best looking ones were some combination of black, silver and red like shown.  African Black wood went especially well with the red liners.
 
I used it once on a Recoil pad and it looked OK except the Red didn't show up like I'd hoped against the reddish color of the stock wood. Mi9ght need to revisit that one some day.  I also need to put about 2lbs of lead in that stock as it's a 7 lb  .45-70 and gets old pretty fast with even mid -Range loads
 
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: December 01 2015 at 9:10pm
I am about ready to call this one done although with the fiddle back and grain endings it took 27 coats of oil for it to stop sucking in and seal the surface.
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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: December 01 2015 at 11:19pm
That is a beautiful job. The wood looks fantastic!


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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 02 2015 at 4:19am
Nice job! Well done!

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Loose wimmen tightened here


Posted By: klr
Date Posted: December 02 2015 at 5:26pm
Wow! That's beautiful. Fantastic lines.


Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: December 03 2015 at 2:33am
Excellent wow making your own custom stock, that's awesome.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 03 2015 at 11:05pm
yes it is - i am amazed at this , not capabil myself , 


Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 12:34am
Thanks for the kind words. Doing these little projects is one of my great pleasures.

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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: flatdarkelf
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 7:35am
Beautiful Garry!  That is a stunning Martini. 


Posted By: W.R.Buchanan
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 10:08am
Garry I do like the color, it turned out very rich and warm.  That one big Black Grain Stripe really makes that stock.
 
Nice work!
 
Randy


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It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do.


Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: December 20 2017 at 7:03pm
Did any stocks ever come off the pattern that you made for that chap?

I just wondered how they turned out. I want to do something similar myself.


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