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Topic: Paris attacked
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Subject: Paris attacked
Date Posted: November 14 2015 at 6:35am
Is everyone ok?

I think it is time to get serious with these cowards.



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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 14 2015 at 7:40am
Couldn't agree more Paddy! Last count there were 150 dead and god knows how many wounded. ISIS claim responsibility for it and say they plan to have a go at the UK and USA next. I have my own idea as to when it will happen and where over here but I'm keeping my opinions to myself. I just wish they'd declare open season on the scumbags and let those of us who want to hunt them down and grant their wish free reign to do it.


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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: November 14 2015 at 8:10am
Here in North Caralina there are a large amount of large wild hogs. Death to them by hogs!

Screw them and the goat they rode in on.

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Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: November 14 2015 at 11:03am
I agree it's high time the major powers drop the big hammer on that lot!

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 14 2015 at 1:21pm
I've been biding my time on this one, contacting  a few French friends I stay in contact with. None of them are anywhere near Paris at this point.
There's some kind of rumor of an attack (in retaliation maybe?) of "refugee" sites in Cherbourg. It was very "chatty" last night but today it's eerily silent.
Paris, if you don't know the city, is very district (arondisment) oriented. They're numbered as well as named & its an oddball spiral pattern. I lived in the 7th, just on the other side of the big curve in the Seine from the 10th & 11th. They have an odd mix of populations there so its no surprise to me. The football stadium is a way North, but an obvious target.


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 14 2015 at 5:39pm
One of the shanty towns was torched and several people were taken to hospital for burns treatment but as to it being a reprisal I don't know and wouldn't like to comment.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 14 2015 at 10:09pm
i just wrote a book and lost the post - 

i believe we will all have to finally deal with this modern muslim invasion one day soon , if we are still able 


Posted By: LilysDad
Date Posted: November 15 2015 at 5:08am
Originally posted by paddyofurniture paddyofurniture wrote:

Here in North Caralina there are a large amount of large wild hogs. Death to them by hogs!
 
This quote reminds me of something I read long ago. I believe the British had an issue with the troops at the Khyber Pass. They made the mistake of using pig fat for the paper patching on their bullets.
 
Why don't we inform ISIS that we are providing lard for our troops to lubricate their weapons and munitions?Big smile


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 15 2015 at 7:25am

There’s always been a certain amount of “agita” between Muslim & European people in many European countries.

Two examples from 30+ years ago, so this is not a “new” thing, its just some don’t want to see the problem, so they won’t even when it is blindingly, glaringly obvious.

 

We had a retail store in front of the studio in Bristol. There were districts surrounding us with Embassies & Consulates, The Theater District & the downtown shopping area, so we had a varied mix of customers including foreign diplomats, ladies of the night & the famous from movies & the theatre.

 

One of our customers was the son of a Middle-Eastern diplomat. Because of that he had diplomatic immunity so he (& several of his friends) would come in an openly & blatantly steal. This happened dozens of times & eventually they actually paraded the thieving. Finally my manager had enough & belted him while he was waving his diplomatic passport in his face. Then we shredded it, flushed it & denied he’d shown it to us & he was finally arrested till his father bailed him out & got the charges dropped.

 

Fast-forward a few years to Brussels, Belgium, in a nightclub.

I was there with some friends on a double date. Paul the other guy went to the bar to get drinks & an Arab guy came over offering to PURCHASE his girlfriend, Lisa (who was a buxom blonde) for a gold watch! We were having fun with him till someone pointed out that “RULEX” isn’t a real brand, & then he got aggressive & nasty brandishing a knife. He was thrown out by the bouncers but skated getting arrested.



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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 15 2015 at 1:15pm
I'm back in Paris tonight, was out of town the weekend; but the attacks are not in our area. 
France has upped the bombing in Syria already and I think that the Government are finally waking up to the fact that some serious action is needed. 
There is a large Muslim community in France; and each time there's an attack, they say it's not Islam etc; but the fact is that these Jihadi groups are built within the Muslim community and their community could do an awful lot more to weed out the nutter's!
And you don't even have the right to protect yourself.



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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 15 2015 at 4:21pm
Unfortunately these attacks will continue untill and unless the so called "leaders" except these people for who and what they are. It is not  enough to call them "radical Islam"  or "islamist militants" as a descriptor for those who would harm anyone and everyone who does not conform to their view.  They need to be called muslims, because that is what they are according to Erdogan of Turkey. 

Recep Tayyip Erdogan[ recently returned to exclusive power in Turkey] has stated, (and remember that he is in line to be the codifying force, as a Sufi muslim, between the Sunni and Shiite factions of islam,) that there is no moderate islam and radical islam, there is just islam where "“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers...”
―Recep Tayyip Erdogan

*Source/Notes:
1998

The only difference between those who will cut off your head now and those who might not is the percentage of them in the population.
It has also been said that the only difference between a moderate and a radical is that the radical wants to kill you while the moderate wants the radical to kill you, -- but they all want you gone so their evil devil worshiping practices can be universal.



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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 15 2015 at 8:09pm
amen to that - its just the percentage of population - look at the locations that accepted and are now no longer just tollerant but rather overtaken , lebanon comes to mind 


Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 15 2015 at 11:33pm
It's been reported the brave ISIS renagades shot wheelchair fans at the concert. France has had a pop at them with a bombing raid but 1 raid isn't enough. A concerted effort by all the countries in Europe would be a start. Raise the whole of the middle east to the ground and send the so called refugees back to clear the mess up.


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Posted By: Frenchieboy
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 1:34am
From what I heard at least one of the cowardly gunmen had a EU passport which was issued in Turkey. By all accounts he came in with a load of other Syrian imigrants.
If this is true then how the he!! do we weed out those that genuinely deserve help and others that are obviously terrorists and want to do nothing other than attack and kill those that are trying to help them along with heaven knows how many innocent people?
Unfortunately I do not feel that stiring up hatred for all muslims is the answer either. Let's be realistic and honest about it, it is only a very small minority muslims that are "extremists". I just don't feel that "tarring them all with the same brush" is fair!


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 4:15am
We had a few minutes silence at 12.00 today; lots of people in the street paying their respects. A few people still driving around but generally well supported.
The question everybody is thinking about is what's next!
I think a line was crossed last January,(Charlie Hebdo massacre) and the politicians seem to have dropped the ball; they need make some serious positive action.


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 6:08am
Not every muslim is a terrorist. But every terrorist is a muslim!


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 8:20am
As I've said repeatedly.
I do not hate all Muslims.
I hate the extremists who want to kill me.
I hate those who support the extremists who want to kill me.
I hate those who do nothing to oppose the extremists who want to kill me.
The rest are just fine.


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 8:41am
Hmmm...doesn't sound like too many left


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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 9:18am

Please read this and send it around. Nothing will change until we change our philosophy and ideas and educate everyone in our sphere of influence.

We cannot allow the left to exploit our passivity to maintain this choke-hold on power.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/15/geller-the-west-has-lost-the-will-to-live/" rel="nofollow -

The West is hanging on by a thread and doesn’t even know it. We are living off the fumes of the accomplishments of our forefathers and those who fought and died in the cause of freedom and individual rights. But the thread is wearing thin. Time is just about running out.

After the murderous jihad attacks in Paris comes the predictable Western response: not resolute self-defense, but weepy candlelight vigils, protestations of unity, and hashtags. After the jihad attacks in Garland, Texas, Chattanooga, the University of California Merced, and scores of arrests of American Muslims working for ISIS (the FBI has 900 ISIS-related investigations currently ongoing), our top priority should be to crush the enemy.

Instead, we get pathos and pitiful memes. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/porteouverte-paris-residents-open-doors-those-stranded-attacks-n463371" rel="nofollow - - NBC added , “also began using the hashtag to share their delight that social media was being used for a good cause”—colossal stupidity.

“Share their delight?” This delight is misplaced. I would expect nothing less than that Parisians should offer safe haven: just because savages are at war with us doesn’t mean that we should be less human.

This hashtag is just the latest in an endless stream of manifestations of the sophomoric, embarrassing, preening self-indulgence that is endemic in our sick culture. It is reminiscent of “Boston Strong”: Really? How? After the Boston Marathon jihad bombings, the media and Boston elites refused to call the attack jihad. The Boston city government refused repeatedly to run our American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) counter-jihad ads, but run vicious Jew-hatred ads regularly. We are en route to the Supreme Court compelling Boston to run our ads. What’s strong about Boston? What stand did Boston take against jihad?

Equally revolting is the http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/eiffel-tower-peace-symbol-the-least-appropriate-thing-ever.html/" rel="nofollow - - MSNBC , the http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/14/paris-attacks-leave-france-in-trauma-fearing-for-the-future" rel="nofollow - - Salon all ran pieces blaming the “right-wing” for the Paris attacks. Outrageous, but not surprising. The enemedia is aligned with the jihad force. As the jihad heats up in the West, the media is becoming more clumsy and desperate in its attempts to deflect attention away from the jihad and back to its favorite bogeyman, “right-wing extremists.” Now, even when the evidence of Islamic jihad responsibility is everywhere, as it is with the Paris attacks, “journalists” still find ways to put the blame on the “right-wing” that they hate far more than they do bloodthirsty jihadis, whom they don’t dislike at all.

If you have an ounce of self-esteem, when someone comes at you with a gun, you answer with force. If he is out to destroy you, you owe it to yourself to defend yourself. We need to understand that the left is as dangerous, if not more so, than the suicide bomber, for obscuring this basic fact—because leftists have the legitimacy of the mainstream, the imprimatur of respectability, and they wield this spurious legitimacy like a club to destroy all opposition to their totalitarianism.

We need to go to war against the left. We have to get that into our heads. We have to accept that terrible reality. They want to destroy our freedom. They want to destroy our country. They want to steal our children. That’s war. There is no one on the right who has the correct philosophy about this. The left demands the right to lie, and they are lying to the American people on a massive scale, even to the extent of making people think there is something wrong with loving and defending our nation.

The idea that the Paris attacks happened on the eve of a global conference not on the gravest threat to freedom, not on the global jihad, but on climate change, speaks to how unreal and sick we are as rational beings. Even worse, as if that weren’t bad enough, you have a presidential candidate saying that climate change is responsible for terrorism. And the very serious talking heads in the mainstream media are reporting this with a straight face.

The fact is, global jihadists, whether they’re ISIS or al-Qaeda or Hamas or Hezbollah, are monstrous aggressors. We don’t have to wait for the first sign that they are attacking; they have declared war against us. They must be destroyed. We can’t complain about what we should or shouldn’t be doing, we have to correct it. This idea of containment, as Obama claimed the other day to have “contained” ISIS, is absurd—an intermediate state.

There is no intermediate state. It’s either/or. This is war. We have to fight it.

- See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/pamela-geller-breitbart-news-the-west-has-lost-the-will-to-live.html/#sthash.0z72xMhd.dpuf

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 2:41pm
Lots of different ways to respond, different strokes for different folks.
Some pray for the dead.
Some vow revenge.
Some beat their chests & scream like Tarzan.
Some quietly wait for the inevitable, suitably prepared.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 4:46pm
"..Unfortunately I do not feel that stiring up hatred for all muslims is the answer either. Let's be realistic and honest about it, it is only a very small minority muslims that are "extremists". I just don't feel that "tarring them all with the same brush" is fair!.."

i have to agree with this - its not my way to use the broad brush , i will say this tho - i think its time for good muslims to step up to the plate and help us put an end to the radicals - they dont have to do it all but they have to join the fight , after all they are targets too in all of the recent stories ive read 


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 8:40pm
Plus  1, A Square.
 
The trouble is, we have abandoned them in the past in such fights, so it may be a tough sell...even though they often suffer terribly at the hands of militants.
 
I also share Von Gruff's alarm at the brainless way we tend to think lighting a candle  (or something)will actually Accomplish anything.   Brainlessness seems a bit too common these days.
 
I do wish more people would read history, and Learn from it.
I also wonder when it will dawn on many of us here in the west, that sometimes Action has to be taken. 
 Not talks.
Talking in the Mid East is a sign of weakness.  (There you only discuss if you are too weak to Do it by force)
These folks , the extremists that is, only respect force. 
Makes me think of that bit in the Bible where it says,  "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind" (!)  Sorry, forget where.
If they did that, had  visited on themselves 10 times the grief in return, I think it would dawn on them in time.
The trouble and essential requirement is to be sure the extremists alone were hit.
In other words they be shown that they are following an unprofitable career.
 
 
 


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 9:11pm
Very insightful thoughts, PB!

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Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 9:16pm
I wonder how Marine Le pen's National Front will do in the next election.

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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by Pukka Bundook Pukka Bundook wrote:

Plus  1, A Square.
 
The trouble is, we have abandoned them in the past in such fights, so it may be a tough sell...even though they often suffer terribly at the hands of militants.
 
I also share Von Gruff's alarm at the brainless way we tend to think lighting a candle  (or something)will actually Accomplish anything.   Brainlessness seems a bit too common these days.
 
I do wish more people would read history, and Learn from it.
I also wonder when it will dawn on many of us here in the west, that sometimes Action has to be taken. 
 Not talks.
Talking in the Mid East is a sign of weakness.  (There you only discuss if you are too weak to Do it by force)
These folks , the extremists that is, only respect force. 
Makes me think of that bit in the Bible where it says,  "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind" (!)  Sorry, forget where.
If they did that, had  visited on themselves 10 times the grief in return, I think it would dawn on them in time.
The trouble and essential requirement is to be sure the extremists alone were hit.
In other words they be shown that they are following an unprofitable career.
 
 
 
 
Hosea 8: 7
For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.
 
 


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The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 4:44am
I live in Paris, so maybe have a slightly clearer percpective of whats going on here than Mme Geller!
Firstly: The minutes silence and lighting of candles is to show support to the families and friends who have lost loved ones! It also shows that the population in general is united.

Religion is the real problem in all of this! Not being religious means it's easier to analyse the situation from a free thinking stand point. Look at the size of the universe, and how small our planet is! then tell me that only a certain percentage of our population is the righteous and chosen by some supreme being(that no one has ever met or seen). It just doesn't seem logical to me! How could a supreme force create so much variety and beauty in nature, then screw it all up after millions of years of perfect natural evolution to appoint one group as the chosen ones! 


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 7:28am
"Hmmm...doesn't sound like too many left"
THAT is not my issue.
I don't blame them all but its way past time for them to put their own house in order.


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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 10:13am
Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

I live in Paris, so maybe have a slightly clearer percpective of whats going on here than Mme Geller!
Firstly: The minutes silence and lighting of candles is to show support to the families and friends who have lost loved ones! It also shows that the population in general is united.

Religion is the real problem in all of this! Not being religious means it's easier to analyse the situation from a free thinking stand point. Look at the size of the universe, and how small our planet is! then tell me that only a certain percentage of our population is the righteous and chosen by some supreme being(that no one has ever met or seen). It just doesn't seem logical to me! How could a supreme force create so much variety and beauty in nature, then screw it all up after millions of years of perfect natural evolution to appoint one group as the chosen ones! It stinks!
 
Zed, I think that being secular does not necessarily give you a clearer view on this, but this thread on the sad loss of those in the recent attack does not deserve to be derailed by a discussion that is bound to tread the edges of politeness by those with opposing views  (for and against)   our Creator God, Creation v evolution, good and evil and those who believe God against those who do not.
 


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 10:50am
"I also wonder when it will dawn on many of us here in the west, that sometimes Action has to be taken. 
 Not talks.
Talking in the Mid East is a sign of weakness.  (There you only discuss if you are too weak to Do it by force)
These folks , the extremists that is, only respect force."

That is true, we have to recognize that there are wider differences than a first glance would indicate. We also need to figure out how much force to apply & where because of the odd ability many of them have to revel in being a victim. There has to be enough to essentially terrify them in to stopping, but not going as far as genocide or something as bad as what we're fighting against.

Lighting candles has long been a tradition in France (possibly from the Catholic tradition), which is becoming more widespread nowadays in a lot of Europe & even across the pond in America.

Does it actively do anything?
Maybe, it gives a look to the opposition that they will be facing a large number of those who disagree with the random violence for whatever cause. It also helps those grieving to see they are not alone.


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 11:16am
True freedom of speech is me defending your right to believe in whatever or whoever you want and you defending my right to disagree! 
Re-reading my post I see that it may seem a little abrupt!  it was not my intention to offend.

I am not against religion, I respect everyones right to decide for themselves; but I do not personally have a need for it; my life is full enough without it. And I do think it gives me a clearer vision of certain situations.

Terror today may wear a muslim face; but history tells us that every culture has gone bad at some time!

 The Nazi's were middle class christians for example; or Northern Ireland Protestants and Catholics, Bosnia, Serbia, Israel and Palestine etc. The list is almost endless. 

While the initial cause may not necessarily be religious; unfortunately it tends to become a rallying call and creates the "them and us" divide 

Would it not be simpler to just get on with each other! Is it just possible that; if God created the world, and all the wonderful variety of nature in it. Then is it not possible that he also created different religions to suite different people?



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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 12:43pm
The big difference here is that the "middle class Christians" that you quote as an example can never point to the Bible to justify their evil deeds, where every single muslim who commits these acts of terror can and does gleefully point to the Koran as the inspiration and justification for what he/they do.
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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 12:46pm
Have at look at John Oliver HBO on youtube and his response for the Paris attacks. A perfect example of freedom of speech at work and hilarious!
I think he speaks for every normal person in France. Google it and put a smile on your faceSmile


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 3:33pm
I'm a HUGE believer in freedoms. That was one reason I came to the USA to live.
However I think there is a point where it has to draw a hard line. The old example of "Not calling movie in a crowded firehouse" springs to mind.
For me everyone has the right to freedom of speech, religion & lifestyle. With one huge caveat.
So does everyone else.
The moment your beliefs tell me I can't have my beliefs the line is crossed & needs to be fixed immediately.

There's a basic need in every group to feel superior, or empowered.
Imagine if, going into battle the unit's priest/mullah/rabbi or whatever said:
"Sorry guys, God/Allah/Yahweh is on the other side today. Good luck anyway."

If there is a divine, all powerful being he must be really confused when both sides inform him that he's on their side!



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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 5:10pm
thats what is wrong with all the PC moves these days - the tollerant offering tollerance only to those that agree with them , otherwise you are commiting a hate crime , 

in terms of free speech - all here are to have it not just the press or the liberals , even the bigots and intolerant have the right to say what they want -we dont have to listen , 

these radicals will take it all away if possible we cannot allow that , 

and to exercise my first amendment right i will add that i am currently ashamed of my countries and this administrations attitude of denial of the truth of these radicals intent and our need to take firm and determined steps to eliminate them , 
as long as they continue to blur the facts with all their ignorant pacifity we all globally remain targets - only a unified stance by all against this will succeed 


Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 17 2015 at 11:04pm
History repeats itself yet again. Pre war Gemany the Brownshirts and Hitler youth terrorising the public. Then the invasions and a nasty bitter war to clean up the mess. To prevent war we are going to have to make war. The west is up against a savage enemy and the only way to stop them is to hunt them down and execute them. Close all borders. Intern ALL refugees flatten the place then transport them back to where they came from, give them brushes and dustpans and set them on cleaning up the mess.

 This post should stirr up a hornets nest!Evil Smile


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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 12:21am
The blinkers need to come off
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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 11:00am
LIVE UPDATES: Three Dead including ONE FEMALE SUICIDE BOMBER in ongoing Paris Terror operation -
 

CONFIRMED: THREE DEAD  INC FEMALE W/ SUICIDE BELT. 1X CIVILIAN. THREE MORE ARRESTED. ABDELHAMID ABAAOUD STATUS UNKNOWN.

Le Monde and other French media say they have confirmation from police and judicial sources that three of the people targeted in the police operation are dead, including a woman who blew herself up with an explosive belt.

It is clear that some major terror plot was afoot. The mastermind and several of his fighters were altogether not too far from the site of the attacks on Friday the 13th.

More here: http://pamelageller.com/?p=73189" rel="nofollow - - (Guardian)

–Heavy shooting, including automatic gunfire, and explosions have been reported in St-Denis, a northern Paris suburb. St-Denis is where the Stade de France, one of the targets of Friday’s attacks, is located, although the current operation is in the centre of the suburb, close to the basilica.
–The targets of the raid are the suspected mastermind of the Paris attacks, Abdel-Hamid Abu Oud; as well as Salah Abdeslam and another suspect thought to be a ninth attacker.
–Two or three men are reported to have barricaded themselves in an apartment, exchanging gunfire with officers. It is not confirmed that these men are the suspects named above.
–Shooting began at 4.30am local time (0330 GMT) and has continued in bursts in the hours since. At least seven explosions have been heard.
–Three police officers have been reported injured in the operation, apparently not seriously. At least one person has reportedly died, but this has not been confirmed.
Roads have been closed off and the police operation is ongoing, with large numbers of police officers and police vehicles in the area. Military reinforcements have also arrived.
–Residents have been told to stay in their homes and away from windows. Some have been moved to a temporary shelter in the town hall. Transport to St-Denis has been suspended and schools will not open on Wednesday.

 
IN PARTICULAR< READ THE TWEET AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LINK WHERE IT TELLS OF 200 POLICE UNIFORMS, ROCKET LAUNCHERS AND RIFLES BEING FOUND IN POLICE RAIDS IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE.
- See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/live-updates-three-dead-including-one-female-suicide-bomber-in-ongoing-paris-terror-operation.html/#sthash.sZxl0reJ.dpuf

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The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 11:18am
Here in Paris we are following this quite closely as you can imagine! Good work by the Police force this morning. 
Over 5000 rounds of ammunition fired by the police force! 5 police injured, 2 dead terrorists including the female suicide bomb and I believe 8 people arrested.


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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 12:16pm
It dosent  say so Zed,  but is this in one of the no go zones they everyone keeps denying??

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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 12:28pm
It would be fair to say that Saint Denis is a bit of a rough area! Personally I don't go to the "banlieu" much; as I have no reason to go there. It seems this group was well primed for action and had lots of weapons. So well done to the Police and glad to hear that they are only minor injuries for those 5 police.

I must say that I would be happier living in New Zealand! Having spent a month in the South Island; it is the best place on earth! And a long way from all this crap at the moment!

Sad news about Jonah Lomu. A great sportsman and a great human being by all accounts.


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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 12:51pm
There's also talk of a car with 4 more tagged at the border & a Conex "Seacrate" full of weapons & ammo being interrupted at the docks.


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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

It would be fair to say that Saint Denis is a bit of a rough area! Personally I don't go to the "banlieu" much; as I have no reason to go there. It seems this group was well primed for action and had lots of weapons. So well done to the Police and glad to hear that they are only minor injuries for those 5 police.

I must say that I would be happier living in New Zealand! Having spent a month in the South Island; it is the best place on earth! And a long way from all this crap at the moment!

Sad news about Jonah Lomu. A great sportsman and a great human being by all accounts.
 
Plenty of room for good people here Zed. Plenty of opportunities to exercise a 303 down here in the South. I was pleased to hear that Jonah had had a very fulfilling time at the RWC and to finish it off with a family holiday so at least they will have had that as a final reminder of him.
 
Unlike so many who have been effected by the ongoing evil to hit France.


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The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 3:21pm
..as I understand it, a police dog paid the ultimate price in this mornings actions

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 6:52pm
"......It seems this group was well primed for action and had lots of weapons. ......."

SO - if i understand right france is one of the european countries with strict gun laws , i know the law abiding follow the rules - ive seen posts on more than one site that acknowledge that , 

just where do all this itms of firepower come from ? and how is it that these terrorists can posses them in a country with strict laws like this ? 


Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 11:19pm
Yeah it did poor thing. The female terrorist blew herself up and the dog

 As to where they get the guns from despite strict gun laws that's easy. They're smuggled in either over the border or sent by sea. We had the same problem during the troubles with the IRA, boat loads of the stuff was sent by Lybia. Open borders make it even easier now.


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Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 18 2015 at 11:33pm
Apparently a lot are just driven in from Eastern Europe. Even on the continental coach routes from Serbia etc. With open borders for a lot of Europe, it's not dificult to move it around if you have a supplier!
For us who legally own fire arms, you need your European Firearms Passport for travel!


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Posted By: Frenchieboy
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 1:15am
Originally posted by Tony Tony wrote:

History repeats itself yet again. Pre war Gemany the Brownshirts and Hitler youth terrorising the public. Then the invasions and a nasty bitter war to clean up the mess. To prevent war we are going to have to make war. The west is up against a savage enemy and the only way to stop them is to hunt them down and execute them. Close all borders. Intern ALL refugees flatten the place then transport them back to where they came from, give them brushes and dustpans and set them on cleaning up the mess.

 This post should stirr up a hornets nest!Evil Smile
 
Tony, you know that I am a straight talker so I have no option other than to reply to your thread where you openly admit to trying to stir up a hornets nest.
If you are condoning violence and killing by saying (As you put it) "the only way to stop them is to hunt them down and execute them". Would you be willing to do the executing? and if so would that not just make you just another Jehadi John? Would you like to be put in the same catagory as another Jehadi John?
Plus of course if we all followed the same line of thinking as you then I believe that we would most certainly be seeing World War III pretty quickly - And that is something that I hope I will never have to witness!
In one of  your earlier posts you say something like "Not all muslims are terrorists - all terrorists are muslims! This statement is simply not true, and well you know it! You have mentioned the IRA - They were certainly "terrorists" but they certainly were not muslims - Or am I thinking about a different IRA than you??
Stiring up hatred and hunting down every muslim who you think is a terrorist is not the answer, nor is it a resonnable line of thinking. If we all thought and spoke like that it would make us all "extremists" or "terrorists" too?


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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 7:08am
Never come across an Irish Muslim Pete but I came across plenty of murderous Paddies and shot quite a few! AND YES I would be prepared to hunt them down. WW3 or not if we don't do something to stop them we'll be the opressed minority in our own country!! There's no point in trying to moderate opinions on here I recon most of the lads are right behind me! This isn't the SD forum we call a spade a spade


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“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 7:59am
"If you are condoning violence and killing by saying (As you put it) "the only way to stop them is to hunt them down and execute them". Would you be willing to do the executing? and if so would that not just make you just another Jehadi John? Would you like to be put in the same catagory as another Jehadi John?"
Its not a question of condoning, but of reluctantly needing to play by the rules the opposition has decreed.
Another difference is in how the killing is done. In a fight is one thing, but torturing the victim like a caged (literally) animal is the difference between reluctant necessity & desired evil.

& yes, in a heartbeat. I despise terrorists of any & all ilks. To me its the same as a LEO putting down a rabid dog, its not cruelty, but preventing it from doing more harm.


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Posted By: Frenchieboy
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 11:44am
Originally posted by Tony Tony wrote:

Never come across an Irish Muslim Pete but I came across plenty of murderous Paddies and shot quite a few! AND YES I would be prepared to hunt them down. WW3 or not if we don't do something to stop them we'll be the opressed minority in our own country!! There's no point in trying to moderate opinions on here I recon most of the lads are right behind me! This isn't the SD forum we call a spade a spade
I do not and can not condone any sort of self appointed vigilanties. Retaliation as you are describing it ( AND YES I would be prepared to hunt them down) that will only escalate things with more retaliatory attacks, and if you are willing to chance the possibility of WW3 by that sort of action then you and I value life in a much different way which means that this forum obviously isn't the place for me!

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Wounding is not an option!


Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 1:57pm
Frenchie,
 
Don't take it so seriously.  A lot of blokes on here are like the old dog that sits on the porch while the cat walks past..... too old and stiff to do much about it!
 
This is a serious concern, and I don't know how it will play out.  Feelings run high and people talk a lot but that is normal at such times.
Dinna' go flying off about leaving the site...  that won't help.
 
A Disunited front would only encourage the beggars, now wouldn't it?


Posted By: Frenchieboy
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Pukka Bundook Pukka Bundook wrote:

Frenchie,
 
Don't take it so seriously.  A lot of blokes on here are like the old dog that sits on the porch while the cat walks past..... too old and stiff to do much about it!
 
This is a serious concern, and I don't know how it will play out.  Feelings run high and people talk a lot but that is normal at such times.
Dinna' go flying off about leaving the site...  that won't help.
 
A Disunited front would only encourage the beggars, now wouldn't it?
Yes I agree that this is a serious issue and like you I don't know how it will pan out, but I stand by what I said. I said I can not and will not condone self appointed vigilanties or war mongerers who have so little a respect or concern for life that they would be prepared to start WW3. That to me is as bad as any form of terrorism and I want no part of it!
With that thought I will now log off!

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Wounding is not an option!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 2:38pm
It sounds like your mind is made up whatever, but I'm not advocating vigilantism, I have no idea where you got that from.
Armed Military force isn't vigilantist, nor is armed self defense.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 4:16pm
..@ the end of the day, I truly believe we are going to be faced with a bad situation.
We are being over-run..& we aren't able/willing to stem the tide.
So, what is the answere? What do we do?
Stop now & capitulate in order to save lives? Or become filled with a deep resolve that will end us all?
(If I had the answere, I would run for position of "God". If I ever end up with the job - I'll keep y'all in mind)

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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

..@ the end of the day, I truly believe we are going to be faced with a bad situation.
We are being over-run..& we aren't able/willing to stem the tide.
So, what is the answere? What do we do?
Stop now & capitulate in order to save lives? Or become filled with a deep resolve that will end us all?
(If I had the answere, I would run for position of "God". If I ever end up with the job - I'll keep y'all in mind)
 
The thing is Hoadie that God does have the answers to what is going to happen and lays them out systematically in the Bible for those who are inclined to search and understand


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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 5:57pm
Well, I aint never been one fer bible readin.
So why isit folks all say stuff like that...but I aint never heard anyone quote it?
I have some very deeply religious friends.They quote the good book all the time.But none of them have an answere for whats going on now. They are all just outraged.

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 7:13pm
im a believer - i pray in myt own way -  i dont practice in an organized fashion anymore because i have issues with my birth religion - i keep to myself tho i am thankful for each day  - i agree with hoadie about the answers and the outrage , 

i would love to hear , in a reasonable conversation , exactly why one person of a given religion would find it necessary to kill another because of their beliefs , 

i live in an area that is undergoing the readjustment of integration/immigration in a fairly large scale way that has made national news - not international yet , it wont as long as the terrorists keep the front page [why dont we just kill them and be rid of them ?] 

im not hard core right - i tend that direction , ive never been left - the 60s and viet nam set my path , im probably more libertarian as my father was these days - live and let live - dont f#(% with me i wont f#(% with you , type thinking , my father got there on saipan in 44-45 , i got there in the early 80s , life has changed but stayed the same , 

so many are not there yet and will die before they get there , its a sad thing - but we cannot allow it to affect our life - we need to stand strong 


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 8:06pm
"im a believer - i pray in myt own way - i dont practice in an organized fashion anymore because i have issues with my birth religion - i keep to myself tho i am thankful for each day" I'm the same as you,to a T, A square 10.

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Posted By: Von Gruff
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 9:22pm
It would take more that this forum is liable to want posting and in any case, can not be talked about in a few back and forward posts. I grew up going to one church but have since become more bible centered than church centered and don't attend any of the local churches. I have spent a great deal of time studying our Creator Gods Word over the years and am confident that we are given understanding of what is transpiring. Maybe not in day to day or incident to incident detail but most definitely in the direction the world is heading, the countries involved in the evil and how it will progress toward the climactic resolution.

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Von Gruff

The ability to do comes with doing.   


Exodus 20:1-17

Acts 4:10-12


Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: November 19 2015 at 10:52pm
[[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree that this is a serious issue and like you I don't know how it will pan out, but I stand by what I said. I said I can not and will not condone self appointed vigilanties or war mongerers who have so little a respect or concern for life that they would be prepared to start WW3. That to me is as bad as any form of terrorism and I want no part of it!
With that thought I will now log off![/QUOTE]

 Self appointed vigilante starting WW3! What a load of tosh! The french weren't starting anything but they were butchered where they stood or in some cases sat in their wheel chairs by nut cases prepared to die for their cause. They're the ones who have little respect for for life and ARE prepared to start WW3 to get what they want! Control over the world and they'll get it if we don't show solidarity NOT pussy footing about making lame excuses and accusing those who will and would defend their country and the freedom the likes of YOU currently enjoy Peter.


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“If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons

Born free taxed to death!!!



Posted By: Frenchieboy
Date Posted: November 20 2015 at 12:20am
Originally posted by Tony Tony wrote:

[
Yes I agree that this is a serious issue and like you I don't know how it will pan out, but I stand by what I said. I said I can not and will not condone self appointed vigilanties or war mongerers who have so little a respect or concern for life that they would be prepared to start WW3. That to me is as bad as any form of terrorism and I want no part of it!
With that thought I will now log off![/QUOTE]

 Self appointed vigilante starting WW3! What a load of tosh! The french weren't starting anything but they were butchered where they stood or in some cases sat in their wheel chairs by nut cases prepared to die for their cause. They're the ones who have little respect for for life and ARE prepared to start WW3 to get what they want! Control over the world and they'll get it if we don't show solidarity NOT pussy footing about making lame excuses and accusing those who will and would defend their country and the freedom the likes of YOU currently enjoy Peter.
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And there endeth the last lesson!
Tony, as a moderator maybe you would be good enough to delete my membership from this forum please.


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Wounding is not an option!


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 20 2015 at 4:53am
I have spent several years of my life working in the Middel East; so have a lot of first hand experience of living with Musilm culture and people. I was even in Riyadh when the original Gulf war kicked off in Kuwait. I can tell that the Jihadi's are not main stream, despite the fact they they pose a real problem; but the vast majority of muslims are good people. So please understand that they are as bewildered by the Paris attacks as the rest of us.
However I do believe that their community as a whole has some work to do in expelling the cancer that has attached itself to their faith. and I think some of their leaders are starting to realise the same; all be it a little late!
Only time will tell.


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Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: November 20 2015 at 6:39am
Very well put, Zed.
 
The trouble is, the militants are well armed over there, whereas the general population are rather poor people in many parts, (Thinking here N. Pakistan and the Khyber, where quite a lot of special Madrass schools were built to take those that the school -system had failed). Such schools  teach this militant strain of Islam.    It is hard for the local village folks to come against such organised and well -funded opposition.
  It is not easy to change this.
To tar all Moslems with the same brush, is to push them into the arms of the militants.
The Vast majority are good and honest people, suffering under extremists and not able to throw them off, without an awful lot of help.  Such help Should come from their own governments, with possibly our (Western) aid.
We in the West have proved ourselves unreliable allies, and that doesn't exactly fill anyone over there with confidence. 
We need common ground with the mainstream Moslem, and offering death threats to the entire population does not help build the required bridges. :-)
 
To give a bit of insight, I would like to share with you a speech made by the leading Mullah in N. Pakistan, Syed Abbas, on hearing of the 9/11 attacks in New York.
This speech was given at the inauguration of a new school, funded and built by Americans.
 
Here is what the Supreme Religious leader had to say;
 
"In the name of Allah Almighty, The Beneficient, the Merciful, Peace be unto you.
It is by fate that Allah the Almighty has brought us together in this hour.
Today is a day you children will remember forever and tell your children and grandchildren.  Today from the darkness of illiteracy, the light of education shines bright.
We share in the sorrow as people weep and suffer in America today as we inaugurate this school.
Those who have committed this this evil act, against the innocent, the women and children, to create thousands of widows and orphans do not do so in the name of Islam.
By the grace of Allah the Almighty, may justice be served upon them.
"For this tragedy, I humbly ask Mr George and Dr Greg Sahib for their forgiveness.  All of you, my brethren;  Protect and embrace these two American brothers in our midst.  Let no harm come to them.
Share all you have  to make their mission successful.
"These two Christian men have come halfway around the world to show our Moslem children the light of education.
Why have we not been able able to bring education to our children on our own?
Fathers and parents, I implore you to dedicate your full effort and commitment to see that all your children are educated.
Otherwise, they will merely graze like sheep in a field, at the mercy of nature and the world changing so terrifyingly around us"
"I request America to look into our hearts, and see that the great majority of us are not terrorists, but good and simple people.  Our land is stricken with poverty because we arew without education. But today, another candle of knowledge has been lit; In the name of Allah the Almighty, may it light our way out of the darkness we find ourselves in."
 
At the finish of this speech, the entire crowd was in tears.
 
Greg Mortenson,  said at the time,....... "I wish all the Americans who think "Muslim" is just another way of saying Terrorist"  could have been there that day.
The true core tenants of Islam are justice, tolerance, and charity, and Syed Abbas represented the moderate centre of Muslim faith eloquently.
 
This, just to help balance things out a bit!
 
Richard.
 
 


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 20 2015 at 9:17am
Obviously the risk today is similar to the posed in Germany in the 1930's; where in that case the radicals were allowed to develop to a point of major conflict. I think we all agree that that cannot be allowed to happen this time around.

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Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: November 20 2015 at 12:20pm
Yes, Zed, the radicals need squashing.  No doubt about that.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 20 2015 at 12:21pm
Yet again:
I do not think all Muslims are terrorists, in the same way I don't think every person walking past my door is a burglar.
But I lock it anyway.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)



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