Another Farmer Killed
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Topic: Another Farmer Killed
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Subject: Another Farmer Killed
Date Posted: March 06 2016 at 10:45pm
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This morning our district morns yet another farmer killed. Senseless murder. Guy was stabbed to death during a robbery (home invasion) at his home. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 6:55am
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------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
The civil rights organisation AfriForum and the TAU SA announced today that South African farmers and farm workers experienced the most brutal year yet with the most recorded farm attacks since the recording of farm attacks commenced in 1990.Posted By: ikesdad
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 6:58am
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That's 3 in the past week. A very tragic thing. It is looking to be the story and future of that beautiful country from my detached point of perspective. "Planet of the apes" is not such a far fetched thought. ------------- Pro Deo et Patria |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 7:11am
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I've been a bit slack lately. My "9 iron" is back on my hip after a few months in the safe. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 8:13am
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Are farmers specifically being targeted only, or is it a wider problem we're just seeing the tip of? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 8:41am
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We are not targeted because we are farmers. We are targeted because of the remoteness.It's more a case of the level of brutality. In the city someone may take you phone off you or break into your house when you are not there. On farms they are more likely to be violent when they enter the property. It is not uncommon for the family to be tied up and beaten/raped/murdered. Many times the place has been cased well before hand and they know what to expect. It is very seldom an opportunistic crime. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 9:30am
Serious stuff.  ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 10:03am
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In coming prayers. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: ikesdad
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 12:01pm
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Praise the Lord and PASS THE AMMO ------------- Pro Deo et Patria |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 12:31pm
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Sounds like it's a rough time for you in SA Dairyfarmer. Definitely need to make sure all your family and workers are up to spec with firearms. Do you use trail cameras in areas where access to your property is likely? It may show up someone suspicious or supply evidence if it all turns bad! Stay sharp ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 1:05pm
I'm thinking electric fence round the house? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 2:00pm
..never mind that Sham! How about a field of claymores 30 feet deep, a buffer os barbed / razor wire two rolls deep..a couple of good guard dogs..& an elevated observation post, complete w 2 Brens!(That oughta do it, fer a while.)  ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 5:21pm
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Seems you're getting the same problems Zimbabwe has, D-F. Have good friends from there. It's a bad job.
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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 7:05pm
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Got the electric fence, got the dogs, got the firearms, got the security gates, got the bars on the windows. Cameras no good as I got 20km (12miles) of boundary fence. We are very fortunate that very few of the farm attacks are politically motivated. Its mainly pure crime. We have been lucky so far not to go down the same route as Zim regarding farms. There it was land "promised" to veterans. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 07 2016 at 8:32pm
What a person's life is worth:  ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 08 2016 at 5:05am
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I guess its illegal to just shewt 'em & drag the carcasses out for the jackals eh? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 08 2016 at 5:38am
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Got a guy here named Shaun. He joined up with us to hunt deer last year..& ice fishing this year. He left Zim for that same reason. Its a shame what they have let these countries turn into.. ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: ikesdad
Date Posted: March 08 2016 at 7:02am
I have heard that it has been done before. ------------- Pro Deo et Patria |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 08 2016 at 7:11am
The law here says that life is worth more than property, regardless of the value of the property. So unless you are in imminent danger, that you cannot get away from, you may not legally take a life (and to that end use, produce, or threaten to use a firearm) to protect property. In other words, if I am in my house, behind security gates and guards and a firearm wheeling thug climbs over my razor wire electrified fence, shoots my dogs and threatens harm to me, I MAY NOT draw my firearm, point it at him, fire a warning shot, or EVEN say that I am going to use my firearm. The moment he breaks through my security gate I may then use REASONABLE force to stop him harming me. Unless there is a chance that I could escape out the back door. In which case I will be asked in court why I did not take that opportunity to escape. There are very easy ways to get rid of a body. No CSI where I live. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 08 2016 at 9:06am
Jackals have to eat too. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 08 2016 at 2:42pm
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My brother is in a wheel chair.(Got a bad deal, nothing he did) Thugs were breaking in & ripping him off - so he got a dog. By-law said you have to have a sign: " Beware of dog". He put it up. Clowns came over the fence one night. Dogs (2) did what dogs do... In court their lawyer said" You're supposed to post warning signs about dogs on premise." David said "I did" Lawyer said: " So you KNEW these dogs were dangerous!" WTF...the criminals win..what else can u do? Time was - not long ago here - if u had a dog, u got a discount on your insurance...not N E more ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 08 2016 at 4:48pm
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"...The law here says that life is worth more than property, regardless of the value of the property. So unless you are in imminent danger, that you cannot get away from, you may not legally take a life (and to that end use, produce, or threaten to use a firearm) to protect property...." in the cases of these dead farmers , it seems that law is extremely one sided - do not their lives [now lost] have value ? they were targeted as well correct ? i bet they might do different given a second chance
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Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 09 2016 at 7:04am
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Unfortunately this happened in January. It has become a soap box for certain political parties to voice there opinions. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 09 2016 at 9:10am
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They should have dumped the bodies in The Groot & let the crocs deal with the evidence then simply asked what killing? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 09 2016 at 5:40pm
..I get the impression this wont get better any time soon..& a lot of blood may be spilled.  ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 09 2016 at 7:27pm
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"... It has become a soap box for certain political parties to voice there opinions...." isnt that always the way ? we are attacked and we die - it becomes a "political talking point"- instead of a legal/police issue , find the perps - convict them -punish them , make sure it does not happen again , the role of government is to keep us safe - they all fail
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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 10 2016 at 7:38am
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here!here! A Sq: You hit on the head, there. ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 10 2016 at 9:44am
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That is why I live in North Carolina and carry a gun. I am thinkng about about increasing my home security, going from two dogs to three. Thinking about a blue tic or maybe another pit bull. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 10 2016 at 4:25pm
..Actually, geese are a great security system..wont get near the place without them kickin up a fuss! (They do a real stroke o' business on insects, too!)  ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 10 2016 at 7:00pm
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Geese also keep the snakes at bay. Its good to have three dogs. Two must be big and aggressive, but quiet. The third must be one of those high strung yappers, like a Jack Russell. The little dog will be constantly patrolling, while the other two say quiet and pretty much out of site. If something crosses the boundary the little one goes crazy. From nowhere the two big ones come charging. ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 2:27am
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..at the end of the day, the point is that no - one should have to live in a "state of siege" or "fortress". Its a sad statement about the times, & how inadequate the laws are. ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 5:42am
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The Romans used geese instead of dogs a guards. Maybe they knew something? Agreed living in a self-made prison camp is no way to live. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 5:48am
Except when this is the view you have to look at this every day ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 6:53am
Hey!! You can see my house from here!!  ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 8:30am
Hoadie, close the blinds, or at least put on some pants! ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 9:48am
Oh he!!, I can do that without barbed wire, spotlights, & Cpl Klink.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 5:11pm
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i understand , i cannot argue with the view , im not inclined to farm so i cannot relate to that aspect , this is my view and im happy , http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/nylon66012_zpsb126e4af.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-5001_zpsb5f68f28.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 11 2016 at 8:20pm
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Dah! Haven fer mosqueetres, no doubt... Still, a river runs thru it. Got "Brookies"? ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 12 2016 at 9:03pm
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no - the trout [not browns - rainbow mostly ] are in the lake this stream drains from a few miles west of here , on its way to the mississippi a few blocks east of me , its clear - there are walleye and small mouth in it as well as suckers [you know its clean because of that] but it has a beautiful voice in the wee hours of the morning as im on the rapids just before it falls to the big river , about a 50 foot fall in eight city blocks , and in the summer you almost cant see it for the foliage , its really GREEN here , take that algore and you stupid global warming idiots ............. http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-3004_zps79615ddd.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/mikesphotos-3003_zps7f80caf0.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 12 2016 at 9:51pm
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What type of roofs are on the wood shed and other shed? ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 13 2016 at 5:31pm
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yjose are the skylights off local buss stops , a number of years ago i got the contract to replace about thirty of them from our metro transit here , unfortunately they dont stand up well to our local storms and my trees tho - http://s1034.photobucket.com/user/watabmike/media/IMAG1319_zps6y9knikw.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 13 2016 at 8:57pm
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That looks like it hurts. ------------- Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts. |
Posted By: IAM Rand
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 3:04pm
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This is my view http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Pikes_Peak_from_Garden_of_the_Gods.JPG" rel="nofollow - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Pikes_Peak_from_Garden_of_the_Gods.JPG Some of the farmers/ranchers here in the states have a saying about wolves:"Shoot, shovel,shut up." Not that I am implying that farmers/ranchers elsewhere should follow suit with 2 legged predators but................ ------------- My soul was removed to make room for all this sarcasam. |
Posted By: DairyFarmer
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 8:00pm
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Unfortunately here someone always knows where someone is going. I would guarantee that a "witness" would appear. It happens often with "assaults" where a person will go lay a charge and will have a few "witnesses". Man those guys in Florida have it good. Everywhere is a place to loose a "wolf". ------------- If farming was easy, then everyone one would do it. |