It's a pity that the UK had to take these steps and couldn't sort out their differences with the EU.

I lived in Lambeth council in London. They were 2nd only to Gibraltar in the stay majority. Guess a lot of non-Uk citizens live there.  

 

We will be free to trade with all nations without having to follow EU rules and let's face it, the UK is still the 5th largest trading nation. There will certainly be a few wobbles in the coming months, but past that, the future's bright. We will have laws that are passed by people we actually vote for. The EU is (was) becoming more involved in such things as foreign policy, something no sovereign nation should give up.

 

Winston Churchill once said that if it came to a choice between Europe and the sea, we should always choose the sea. So I say "Weigh Anchor!".

Kick the immigrants out and take back the 5 million British ex-pats living outside of the UK.

 

As full disclosure:

I and both my parents were born in South Africa.

Both my paternal and maternal grandparents were born in Eire.

I am also an Eire citizen, therefor also a citizen of the EU.

My son was born in UK and is therefor a UK, Eire and South African citizen.

I lived and worked in the UK for more than 7 years as one of the "immigrant scum". I did jobs that UK citizens didn't want to do. I paid my taxes and never claimed any benefits. The only time I used the NHS was when my child was born, 6 years after I started work in UK.

 

When "indigenous Brits" start painting all non-indigenous Brits with the same brush it smacks of Xenophobia (something that haunts our country). You cannot say that, because some are abusing the system, that all are. Because there are indigenous Brits that are guilty of this too.

I do think it's sad for the younger generation who voted to stay; and let's face it; they will have to live longer with the decision than the older generation that mainly voted out. 

But Europe does need a shake up and that's for sure. It takes them 10 years to decide anything, it's ridiculous. From a commercial trade point of view, the EU is good; but there's too much meddling in some areas of politics that have nothing to do with trade. Expanding the EU to fit in bankrupt countries like Greece was the probably the beginning of the end.

 Interesting times indeed and we will probably all look back on 23/06/2016 as a day that something changed! good or bad ! only time will tell.

in the end propping up communism in any way does little else than deplete the resources of all - why not find a basis of economy to develop and invest in the future ? 

Zed wrote: Do I need to get an Irish passport

I think you now have to go live in Eire now to claim citizenship by paternity. They changed the law about 10 years back. Every time I went to Switzerland the boarder control never bothered opening my passport. I was always just waved through.

 

Tony wrote: Shows just how ignorant you are thinking that we are to blame for our forefathers brutality.

Then why say:

Tony wrote: I'd call that payback for your treatment of them in the past.

 

There is a lot of talk about losing jobs and such like, but the present system where a Small unelected  group dictate the laws to all the lands of the EEC is disquieting to say the least.

To me, it appears that if the focus can be kept on jobs and such, it diverts the attention away from the alarming facts that there is only a show or façade  of democracy, and no actual democracy in the country.

 

This from Roy, a good friend, and posted on British Militaria Forums;

 

"For the 52% who voted Leave the crucial problem with the EU that now exists we can't "vote them out".  As an example of the anti-democratic structure created in Brussels here are a couple of paragraphs from an article by Christopher Monkton.

"My three reasons for departure, in strict order of precedence, were Democracy, Democracy, and Democracy. For the so-called “European Parliament” is no Parliament. It is a mere duma. It lacks even the power to bring forward a bill, and the 28 faceless, unelected, omnipotent Kommissars – the official German name for the shadowy Commissioners who exercise the supreme lawmaking power that was once vested in our elected Parliament – have the power, under the Treaty of Maastricht, to meet behind closed doors to override in secret any decision of that “Parliament” at will, and even to issue “Commission Regulations” that bypass it altogether.

We would lend you Trump, but he's got to be elected first.  So you guys should come to Chicago and vote for him as often as you like.  You just have to be careful what neighborhood your in.

 

Congratulations.

 

Your last supposition is correct;

Any excuse will do if it means someone makes money........and of course the majority Lose money.

Remember a year or two back, when a fuel -train in Spain went off the lines?  Our fuel here in Canada went up in price immediately!

What have we to do with Spain?????  Nothing but it gave them an excuse to raise the price!

 

Tony,

You are a bit blunt, just like my late uncle, but I think you are right!

 

Said uncle worked all his life in the steel works, and RAF in the war, and as a pensioner had to pay for night school where he actually taught half the class, as the instructor said he knew more about machining then he did himself!

He paid while the 'imports' got to go for free, and he was in his 80's at the time.

 

Absolute disgrace.

 

 

If you are a country that produces or processes items and have raw materials, you want a weaker currency. Other countries then buy the goods "cheap". Some governments artificially keep their currency low to bring in foreign trade.

 

If you are a country that has little or no production or processing and limited raw materials, you need to have a high value currency because you buy everything in.

 

Therefore we find the 3rd world countries have low value currency and 1st world countries have high value currencies. In order to bring in as much foreign cash as possible, produces tend to export as much as possible, often to the detriment of the people who live in that country.

 

A country like Britain wants their currency strong as they produce very little compared to what they consume. America has more flexibility as it produces a higher percentage. China needs a low currency as they have secured vast quantities of cheap raw / reprocessed materials and has the labour force to mass produce at very low cost.

 

It's a direct lift from the Irish Government Citizenship site. So I'm not sure you have to live there. For example I am the son of an Englishman and an Irish lady. Consequently I am an Irish citizen and I can therefore get a passport. Without any other connections, any of my sons/daughters are not an Irish citizen, but are entitled to register and become one. 

 

But I am also a British citizen and hold a British passport.

I have an Irish father and English mother, so it should not be a problem. My wife is also Irish and my 5 year old daughter who was born in France also has Irish passport (it was 16 euros instead of over 120 for the British one) However she can choose if she wants to be a French citizen when she's 18.

I think it may make things simpler for work paperwork etc if I get it.

I was also wondering how it will effect the European Firearms Passport. Which allows you to travel to member states to shoot or hunt. Although for the UK you do need extra paperwork from the UK autorities.

I was hoping to get to Bisley one day; but I'm not sure how travel to UK with firearms will be affected

I got citizenship by applying for foreign birth, grandparents all Irish born.

Wife got citizenship because she is married to an Irish citizen. Min 3 years and you have to prove you live together. i.e dual bank accounts, utility bills in both names,....

Son got citizenship through foreign birth, child of Irish citizens.

 

It is quite a simple process. Just check first that your country allows dual citizenship. Some don't (i.e. Lithuania), others require you to declare that you are applying or that you have obtained dual citizenship when renewing you passport.

 

My son is registered as a foreign born South African citizen. When he turns 18 his South African citizenship will be revoked and he will have to reapply to be a citizen.

 

As for the British "exporting" to other countries. They were not the sharpest pencils in the box. Look at Australia, nice climate and abundant natural resources. What do they do? Stay put and send the undesirables there. Far better than Papillion as far as penal colonies go. 

The "leave" vote winning in the UK referendum has given her more ammunition to agitate for another independence vote because more Scots voted to remain in the EU. So she wants to jettison the UK but stay in (or join) the EU.

 

I believe that Scotland is far better off in the UK. Striking out alone, will remove the biggest revenue to Scotland (the UK's contribution to Scottish finances) will mean it is a poor country, Taxes will spiral due to this and all the governmental departments they will have to set up that are currently run from Westminster. Healthcare, on a par with the UK now (or better) will suffer, as indeed will all other government services. I think they would have trouble remaining (or joining) the EU as well. I'm not convinced that Scotland would vote for independence in another referendum anyway. Are we going to have a vote every time the UK makes a decision the Scots don't like? If there is another vote, I think Sturgeon will have backed herself into a cul-de-sac, just like David Cameron did and perhaps will see she has to go. Interesting times.

Not only during the referendum.

 

To a lesser extent in large cities, the majority of England are not as accommodating to foreign workers as it seems on the surface. One job I did there for a few years involved collecting and delivering cars all over UK. All the drivers were SA, NZ or Aussie. Places like NI, Wales and Scotland were a pleasure to go to. People very friendly. England was not so. At first they are friendly, but as soon as they find out you are working its another story. You get treated like you are low class.

Roumers of Germany and France leaving.   any more on this?..............probably not until UK all sorted.

Flanker, do you think Scotland will go with the Euro if they stay? I find it is one of the better things in the EU. Working in France I've settled in to using the Euro, and to be honest, I really don't see why the UK did not join it. I understand that the very rich and the Banks would loose money by not having exchange rates to play with; but for us ordinary people it's a bonus. 

I bought a few bits from the UK recently, so transfering 100 quid equals 130 euros on the exchange, then another 30 for the transfer. This is the sort of small stuff that does make a difference for normal people. 

 

I bow to your greater knowledge. Although it does seem from afar to be so.

He says to put it politely, she is destructive and only wanting separation, which he sees as causing great harm.

 

There!  I said it without using bad language!  :-)

 

I think of the old saying, (Was it Lincoln?)  "If we don't hang together, we will all hang separately".

not arguing history here - it was what it was , ill never deny it , but ..............

i say that but i do not , repeat , do not say to forget , 

i firmly believe every single fallen in that war of either side deserves our respect and remembrance - they were all americans - i have flown both flags proudly over the years and will not stop now because some political BS decided it was un-PC for me to do so , they can kiss my redneck a$$ , 

i am equally proud of my stars and bars as well as my stars and stripes and no politician will ever take that from me , they cannot demonize my flags , my guns , my thinking nor my speech , 

at least not without demonizing me - my relatives -and everything we have fought and died for here , im even proud of my feudin relatives that lived in the arkansas hills , 

 

Whether in or out of Europe, things are gonna look a bit different around here.

 

It is a very enlightening  read....  :-)

Well for sure everyone's got the resigning bug. Cameron is going, Corbyn is hanging on by the fingernails, Farage is resigning and not to be outdone,