1944 ENFIELD NO4 MK1(T)SNIPER RIFLE
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Topic: 1944 ENFIELD NO4 MK1(T)SNIPER RIFLE
Posted By: theodore711
Subject: 1944 ENFIELD NO4 MK1(T)SNIPER RIFLE
Date Posted: November 02 2017 at 4:38pm
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I AM NEW AT THIS,SO BARE WITH ME.I HAVE A SPORTERIZED NO4 MK1 M47C.IT IS A SNIPER RIFLE IT HAS ALL THE CORRECT MARKING, THE SCOPE AND STOCK # MATCH THE MOUNTS ARE REPO.THEIR IS SERIAL NUMBERS ON RIST, BAND BARREL,BOLT AND STOCK ALL MATCH B346XX DID THEY MAKE A SPORTERIZED VERSION OF THIS RIFLE,THEY SAID THEY ]I HOPE YOU GOT THE PICTURES ------------- Ted S |
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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 03 2017 at 4:04am
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They did not make a sporterised version of any of the No4 rifles. But many were modified by civilian gunsmith's after they were sold by the military. If it is an original No4 Mk1 T; it would be worth getting it back to original military specification. They are very collectaible and are already very expensive. However value of the originals means that there are also fake ones around; made up from standard No4 Mk1's. ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 03 2017 at 4:59pm
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as you are new - please do not use caps - it sugests you are shouting on the forums , but no worries , we here are hard of hearing due to age , would love to see your photos , that will tell a lot of what ypou are asking and better allow us to evaluate the possibilities of restoring your rifle to her original glory [if that is your intent] if not , no worries , we can work with that as well , we have all sorts here - all welcome to participate welcome to you ,
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Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 4:39am
  mailto:ted.stava@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow - ted.stava@yahoo.com ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 4:45am
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I was hoping it was modified it has all kind of marking on the barrel ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 8:47am
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whats the actual barrel length? I can't see properly..but it looks like the barrel has been cut. If it has..its a shame, cuz that would be a beaut!! ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 9:53am
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Hoadie, it does appear the barrel has had it's bayonet lug/barrel extension cut off. ------------- Castles made of sand slip into the sea.....eventually |
Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 9:57am
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OP....we need many more photos especially the left wrist side near the butt/fore end area as well as the left receiver wall to help determine if that is indeed a sniper rifle. Is there an S51 stamped on the butt under the area where the butt fits into the socket? ------------- Castles made of sand slip into the sea.....eventually |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 10:55am
   ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 11:39am
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It has all the right marking. ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 2:00pm
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Any possibility that it is a L42A1. Does it take the .303 rounds or .308 NATO rounds. |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 3:13pm
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no 303 ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 3:22pm
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This gun was built in 1944 serial#b346xx could any body tell me what month it was made ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: MJ11
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 5:06pm
L42 ? Not with that scope and barrel profile. Sorry  Still not a bad set. ------------- The Spartans do not ask how many the enemies are but where they are |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 5:25pm
| i think we need more closeups - in the end it has been sported i think and all original bits would make it a candidate for refurb , we like what we see but we are not certain what we are seeing without the needed photos , these are a specific item with much more credibility when verified , |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 5:30pm
| I have an action wrench,barrel vise,and one VG Savage barrel. Wanna send it to me to keep and refurbish? |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 04 2017 at 5:47pm
| All number match I am not breaking it up, |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 7:15am
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With the barrel bobbed its value is lowered & a real refurb isn't possible. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 7:25am
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I'm getting several blank posts & broken links. I deleted them because there's nothing there. What are you trying to do? ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 8:39am
| In the condition it's in currently,the only way to refurbish it would be to have it rebarrelled and have all new furniture installed and properly rebedded,including the addition of missing components. The whole numbers matching thing is irrelevant due to all the missing pieces. As long as the scope mount,and scope are matched to the rifle, everything else could be replaced without that much loss in value. |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 11:12am
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It is absolutely worth refurbishing to original specification. In view of the value of these "T" models, even a new barrel would be worthwhile in my opinion. The original being cut would be less valuable than a newly fitted or excellent second hand barrel. It would be worth getting it done by someone that knows Lee Enfields; however that may depend on where you live. could even be worth buying a standard No4 in good condition to use for part's.
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Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 11:26am
        I am still having problems with pitures . This enfield was up grade from a mk1 to mk2------------- Ted S |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 1:21pm
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I am tring to send pictures ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 2:00pm
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We are seeing them now from you new posts, but before it was just blank posts. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 2:03pm
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the barrel will still handle new wood,the barrel is in excellent shape all# match.it was up graded from a mk1 to mk2.I do not know much about this stuff so am trying to get other people opinion I have new wood coming from the UK,and looking for metal parts. I would like to know the of month manufacture. ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 2:32pm
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You could certainly upgrade to original wood with a little hand fitting, but the missing barrel bits would make it a labor of love with a financial hit. That's fine as long as you realize you aren't "restoring value" somehow. I'm curious why you think its a Mk1/2, though? There's no bracket for the "hung trigger" of the Mk2.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 3:19pm
| It's a 1944 model. There's no spot cut out in the receiver for the bolt head to turn out of. It's a No4 MkI, no asterisk. |
Posted By: theodore711
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 3:22pm
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below bolt it is marked N.67 MK II ------------- Ted S |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 5:16pm
 See where the bolt head is removed from behind the charger bridge. This is a Mk1.  This one shows the recessed cut behind the bolt. This is a No4 Mk1* The Mk2 has this recess and the trigger is hung off the butt socket. The Mk11 designation is something completely different. You'll have rifles designated No4 MkI,Mk2,Mk1/2,Mk1/3 |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 5:19pm
| The serial number of yours shows it came out of the BSA Shirley plant. Late 1944 as a No4 MkI T |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 05 2017 at 7:57pm
| seems legit . thank you gor postinbg this one . |
Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: November 06 2017 at 4:20am
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The Mk2 has this recess and the trigger is hung off the butt socket" Goosic. I don't think you'll find any No4Mk2 with the resess for removing the bolt. That was specifcally for Mk1*; wartime production economy measures. Anything built after the would be using the release catch at the rear. Theodore. If you are going to fit new wood yourself; I suggest you study the articles by Captain Peter Laidler that are available on the "milsurps" website. He is a retired British Army armourer and specializes in these rifles. it will gie you a good understanding of what you need to do to get the rifle in top shooting condition. ------------- It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: November 06 2017 at 5:08am
My bad.
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: November 06 2017 at 5:17am
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OK, I understand. Each component had a mark #, its quite possible to have a Mk1 rifle with a Mk2 cocking piece & a Mk4 sight for example. Your rifle is a Mk1 (no star) because the trigger is connected to the trigger guard, not the receiver & its not a * because it has a spring-loaded bolt release catch, instead of cut rail. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: November 06 2017 at 7:39pm
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to expand just a little the mkI was built on the east side of the atlantic the mkI* [except for a very few mkIs] were built on the west side of the pond , only savage and longbranch made the mkI*, |
Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: November 07 2017 at 4:12am
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This really confusing me.(but I'm easily confused) ------------- Loose wimmen tightened here |
Posted By: Seaforth72
Date Posted: October 19 2018 at 12:46pm
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Your rifle was a standard British BSA Shirley No. 4 Mk. I (T) and it has been sporterized after it left the military. The barrel has been shortened. Brian d**k (BDL LTD)in South Carolina http://bdlltd.com/ " rel="nofollow - http://bdlltd.com/ ; is your best bet if you are in the USA for restoring it. If the scope SN matches the top of the butt at the wrist, and the bracket Sn matches the rifle, then it is a matched set and well worth restoring. A new barrel and new front furniture and fittings are straightforward. The increase in value would outweigh the cost of restoration. Twenty Canadian Long Branch sniper rifles were made during WWII that look like sporterized rifles and I have one of these experimental rifles. As well, at least one soldier sporterized a No. 4 Mk. I (T) https://captainstevens.com/military/weapons/snipers/photographs-of-snipers/#jp-carousel-7507" rel="nofollow - https://captainstevens.com/military/weapons/snipers/photographs-of-snipers/#jp-carousel-7507 The photo was taken in France in 1944 after D-Day (near Boulogne?) and shows a R.C.E.M.E. Sergeant with one. Totally unofficial and he likely salvaged a sniper rifle that had been written off.
You can find information on these rifles on my web site at: https://captainstevens.com/military/weapons/snipers/lee-enfield-no-4-mk-i-t-sniper-rifle/" rel="nofollow - https://captainstevens.com/military/weapons/snipers/lee-enfield-no-4-mk-i-t-sniper-rifle/ |
Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: October 22 2018 at 8:59am
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Anything is restorable with enough time and money thrown at it, including this one. The barrel can be put back to original length by grafting on the front section of a scrap barrel to restore the bayonet lugs and muzzle, then counter-bored. The joint can be hidden underneath the front sight. This can be done with the barrel and receiver still assembled. Straight forward job if you have access to a metal lathe and a skilled turner. Everything else regarding furniture that you would need is out there. Great project, I encourage you to have a crack at it. For me, the hunt for parts is a big part of the hobby . ------------- . . Look to your front, mark your target when it comes! |