Scope rings
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Topic: Scope rings
Posted By: Honkytonk
Subject: Scope rings
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 7:11pm
| Question. For those of you that have installed an S&K scope mount on you Lee Enfield, which rings do you prefer? Thanks! |
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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 7:27pm
  I don't remember the names of these. Something Quad Something. Found them on eBay for $20.00. Really does a good job of clamping the scope in place. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 6:00am
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I went with the proprietary S&K ones, rather than the weaver/Picatinny rail, because they are the lowest possible setup. I literally can't get a business card between the mount top & the turret saddle bottom, just a sheet of paper!  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 6:20am
I find that most mounts give insufficient eye relief unless you only shoot off the bench or standing. I use a cantilever mount, as shown below. Not the same base mount, but you get the idea. |
Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 6:35am
| I do get the idea. Quite a rig! |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 11:41am
I put a scope on it with those rings so you can see how it looks. I have no issues with the eye relief either.  
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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 12:58pm
| Goosic, in the prone position, my head is resting on my right thumb just below the cheek bone (probably quite common for most shooters). In this position, most scope mounts will position the scope such that the eyepiece would be firmly planted in my right eye socket. The No. 4(T) scope position is quite forward which enables sufficient eye relief for prone shooting. Shooting on the bench or in the off hand position the head is held much further back. I cannot shoot my No. 4 prone without the cantilever mount. The actual eye relief of the scope is a factor as well. It might just be me, but I suspect most shooters would have this problem if shooting prone. |
Posted By: Macd
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 1:54pm
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Edit. Wrong quote removed. Got the same reason I went with Weaver Tip Off. Tight to the base. Can just get a piece of paper to slide between base and centre of scope. |
Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 3:03pm
| Thanks for the info guys! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 3:06pm
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I'm finding this interesting. When I shoot prone or kneeling my thumb is
in front of the cheekpiece riser, on the wrist of the stock, & my
cheek is on it, so that places my eye considerably further rearwards
then you position. I tried a Hensoldt Ferro ZF24 As a modern replicant of the Mk32 but couldn't get enough eye relief without some serious stock climbing! So much I eventually gave up & sold the scope! My current setup is darn near perfect for me this way.   ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 29 2018 at 7:15pm
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Part of the problem for me is that I need a slightly longer butt stock. In prone position with the PH 5c sight, my eye is quite close to the apature, probably less than 2 inches from it. The bottom edge of my shooting glasses touch the cocking piece of the bolt and have chafed away the 2.5x reader inserts on the lense. The C5, 6 and 7 vertebrae of my neck have been fused together, so I’m not able to lift my head as high as I’d like to, and can just see the sights thru the upper left corner of my glasses. With a scope on the rifle, it’s impossible for me to shoot prone; the eye piece cannot be much further back than the rear sight position. I can with the No. 4(T), but not with the no gunsmithing type mounts that attach to the rear sight lugs. Shamu, that scope position in the top pic looks good, that would work for me. I need to get myself a smaller scope, perhaps just 3 to 5x, smaller diameter objective, mount as low as possible, that would make a comfortable prone shooting position. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 5:42am
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Do you have eyepiece attachments (Irises, filters) on the 5C as well, some of them are pretty long. The Hensoldt & ARMS #7 Picatinny to STANAG adapter sound like they'd be perfect for you! They do have one disadvantage though, there is no, zero, adjustment for eye relief because of the conversion mount it only goes in that one exact spot. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 7:26am
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Shamu, I do have the eyepiece attachments but do not use them; they would probably be very close to recoiling into my glasses. I've not really looked closely at how other shooters take up the prone position. I thought it was quite common for the cheek to be pressed (AKA "cheek weld") to the base of the right thumb that wraps around the butt stock wrist. My head may not be able to tip far enough back to give the clearance that most people get with the aperture sight. I'll have someone take a photo of my shooting position, maybe I'm just different... |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 8:16am
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It depends how you were taught I guess. I was always taught to have the head far enough back that you didn't need to break a cheek weld when cycling the bolt, so I cant climb up that close in that position. Have you ever though of using one of those slip-on rubber butt boots? They give almost an inch of extra stock length without permanent modification. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 10:17am
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An English hold that I use is not to wrap my thumb around the butt stock wrist. The thumb lays on the right side of the wrist pointing forward. That way, I don't accidentally try to shove my thumb up my nose on recoil if the butt stock is a bit short and the cartridge is a bit stout. The large frame Martini service rifle has a nice little thumb rest engraved into the back of the receiver as a reminder for just this style of hold. ------------- . . Look to your front, mark your target when it comes! |
Posted By: Macd
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 10:34am
I had to edit my post above as I quoted the wrong post. Here are my
rings. I chose the Vortex scope as it gave me a longer eye relief of
4.7 inches. The rings are Weaver Tip Off. |
Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 12:47pm
| I had an old set of Weaver tip offs on my DAI mount. I suspect they were from the era of when everybody with a Lee Enfield had the base mounts drilled and tapped to accept these. Not wide enough to get a good grip on the rail of the new base mounts. I do have another scope mounted on my Addley Precision mount with newer Weaver non tip offs. Works great! Thanks for all the input! Weaver low mount that fits a Picatinny or Weaver rail should work marvelously! |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 1:52pm
| I believe that each of us has different shooting styles be it standing,sitting, kneeling,or prone,and what works for one may not work for another. I checked the eye relief of my No5 in all the positions listed and in every position,my head and cheek are in exactly the same spot, according to my girlfriend. Another item that helps me is that I can adjust the eye relief on each of my Bushnell scopes. It's built into them and gives you instructions on how to adjust it. Now. I did a comparison test between the the four rifles with scopes, including the No4 T. Where I place my head on the stock is always the same. The distance between the center line of the scope to the center line of the bore,and the distance between the scope lens and my eye. The No5,(this is with the S&K scope mount). Center line to center line, 2.0",lens to lens, 3.0". Parker Hale, center line to center line, 1.5", lens to lens, 2.5". Santa Fe, center line to center line, 1.75", lens to lens, 2.75". No4 Mk1 T, center line to center line, 1.5", lens to lens, 3.0". It's worthy to note here that, the first three measurements have a 1.0" vector point between the horizontal and vertical axis, whereas the Sniper rifle has a 1.5" vector point. In each of these measurements I did it standing, sitting, kneeling, and prone. To each his own is what I'm getting at. My rifles are built around me. The L.O.P. in each of my rifles are the same. We can each offer advise as to what works for us but,in the end,it's up to you to figure out what works the best. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 2:05pm
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I do the thumb along the stock side for rapid fire. Timed or slow It wraps over. Somewhere on here I posted a video a while back. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 2:36pm
I agree, bad idea to shoot the Martini with the thumb wrapped around the butt wrist. Don't ask why I know that... And I still can't get a comfortable shooting position with the Martini that the back end of the action body doesn't whack me in the face every shot. I just can't get my head back any further. This has got me thinking, I need to experiment a bit. And I do have one of those boots that fit to the butt stock, and it is a good inch thick. I used it on the Martini and it helped a lot. For accurate shooting prone, you have to be in a completely relaxed position, including being able to relax your neck muscles of your head on the stock (or in my case, on my right hand).
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englishman_ca wrote:Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 6:47pm
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I think Goosic is right. In my case, prone position results in a completely different position of my head on the stock. On the bench, standing and sitting, my head is much further back, I can’t my head get anywhere near my right hand in these positions. I don’t know why, that’s just the way it is. I’m going to pay more attention to the shooters on the line at the next match and see what they do prone. |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 30 2018 at 7:19pm
| As far as rifles go,I shoot Enfields exclusively,so I have no issues wrapping my thumb around the stock if I need to. I typically shoot right handed with my thumb across the top of my index finger. I'm ambidextrous with shooting so I was taught at a very young age a shooting technique that worked from both sides of the stock. Holding position on the forestock is for me, regardless of shooting position,hand placement is on the magazine. |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 31 2018 at 5:09am
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When I was a kid, I watched my Dad shoot from the front yard out into the fields in front of our house. Usually Enfields, but occasionally other rifles. He got out of shooting by the time I was 7 or 8 years old. My early instruction was in the Canadian Army Cadets then in the Reserves, where we learned on the No. 7 rifles, then the FN 7.62 as the service rifle. None of this taught me much about how to shoot accurately. It wasn’t until I took a two day Appleseed clinic here in the US that I really learned the fundamentals of accurate shooting. Of course, there are other ways to achieve the same thing, but it made a tremendous difference for me. We have wandered from the OP, but I’ve enjoyed reading the different holding techniques from the members. And I’m jealous of Goosic being able to shoot ambidextrous! |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 31 2018 at 8:41am
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Found the video! Cecil B De Mille I am not. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: March 31 2018 at 9:21am
| I can't shoot the mad minute with my middle finger. I've tried to no avail. I can however,do it exceptionally well with my ring finger. When I close the bolt using the thumb and index, my ring finger is directly in line with the trigger. I was out shooting with some friends and one of them brought the mad minute up, adding that he didn't believe it and there's no way a bolt rifle was faster then his semi auto Remington 30-06. The challenge was set. My(in his words) p.o.s. older then dirt,barely a rifle against his semi auto Remington. The end results being,in the time frame we came up with, I managed seven rounds to his five. We did three tests. He beat me one time. I had a round jam on me. |
Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: March 31 2018 at 9:23am
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Good video, Cec! ------------- Castles made of sand slip into the sea.....eventually |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 31 2018 at 1:46pm
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It was actually answering questions about the Mad Minute originally so there's some slanting in that direction obviously. We did a full one minute one at a private range in PA a while back. We were ringing steel plates. It impressed the heck out of some of the younger .22 firing semi-auto visitors. It far, far more impressive when its massed fire like the original drill was designed for! If you get a stopwatch, or have a second counter on your watch its actually 4 seconds per round for 15 hits, not too shabby on a 4' target supported @ 300yds. If you go for 30 its 2 seconds a round! try counting a cadence "One Hippopotamus, two hippopotamus" (Or Mississippi) & so on its surprising how long 2 seconds can actually be! ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: March 31 2018 at 3:20pm
| Would hate to be on the business end of that fire power and accuracy from a non-Bren or Vickers! |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: March 31 2018 at 4:42pm
| Funny, that’s how I work the bolt, but no one ever showed me that. Not many LE enthusiasts here in the South East! |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 06 2018 at 6:14pm
We had been discussing shooting positions on this thread. I was at the range today and experimented a bit on prone position shooting. I tried moving my head back on the stock, and found it impossible for me. I had a friend take a pic of my head position on the stock. Note how my right thumb supports my head, my neck muscles are completely relaxed and this brings my eye to the correct alignment with the sights ( Mk 1 back sight is fitted with a reduced apature size). My cheekbone is resting right on the base of my thumb. It works for me, maybe not for everyone and requires rolling your head off the stock to cycle the bolt in the rapids. 
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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 07 2018 at 8:26am
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Basically it's whatever works for you. We all have differing physiques & we need to accommodate that in our positioning. Looking at pics of several No4 Mk1(T) rifles the cheek riser is well behind the stock wrist, plus that's how I was taught so it feels "right" for me. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: April 07 2018 at 8:33am
| So true Shamu. It's where the bullet hits the intended Target. All that matters... |
Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: April 07 2018 at 3:58pm
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Agree, there is no right and wrong here, it’s what works on the target. I can hold 2 MOA in this position, the rifle and ammo at 1.5 MOA, so typically shoot prone within the 3.5 MOA 10 ring on the NRA SR target. I’ll be at my Dads in Ontario in a few weeks and I’ll try his No.4(T). It may work if I take up a shooting position where the angle of my body is closer to the shooting direction. Also makes a difference by moving the right shoulder and elbow forward, this pushes the rifle forward and increases eye relief. |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 5:33am
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Yes, squaring the shoulders will change the geometry quite a bit. ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Dux-R-Us
Date Posted: April 28 2018 at 6:00pm
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I just installed Weaver Top Mount rings 490404. Not what I initially wanted, but they were available locally and priced reasonably at $26.00. I zeroed today and they held good. The sight is an old Weaver V3 with post reticle. Now I have to get that beast of a trigger down to an acceptable level. Taking to my gunsmith (I know one ring should be on the other side of the turrets. But in that configuration I get a scope in eye) K  ------------- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx |
Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: April 28 2018 at 6:30pm
If your gunsmith mentions anything about filing or sanding anything to you on that trigger,sear, cocking piece. Tell him thank you for the time and walk away. |
Posted By: Dux-R-Us
Date Posted: April 29 2018 at 4:19am
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[/QUOTE] If your gunsmith mentions anything about filing or sanding anything to you on that trigger,sear, cocking piece. Tell him thank you for the time and walk away.[/QUOTE] how should the trigger be lightened? ------------- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx |
Posted By: Stanforth
Date Posted: April 29 2018 at 4:39am
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By a specialist in Enfield rifles. ------------- Life.. a sexually transmitted condition that is invariably fatal. |
Posted By: Dux-R-Us
Date Posted: April 29 2018 at 4:46am
is there a list of such on this forum? Need a smith located in USA. thanks! ------------- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 29 2018 at 5:46am
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Brian d**k is highly recommended. http://bdlltd.com/" rel="nofollow - http://bdlltd.com/ ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 29 2018 at 5:47am
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Oi the sensor! d**k is "richard"  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |
Posted By: Dux-R-Us
Date Posted: April 29 2018 at 9:31am
Of course. He sold me the rifle. thanks so much. K ------------- Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx |
Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: April 29 2018 at 1:26pm
Nothing wrong with the scope mounting btw, look at an original.  ------------- Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force) |