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Topic: Pull throughs brass or steel
Posted By: Rik
Subject: Pull throughs brass or steel
Date Posted: September 22 2018 at 11:06am
he!!o

A simple question, but I can't find the answer.
When did the british army changed the brass weight pull through for the one with the steel weight?

Which one fits my 1943 Maltby? it came with a mk4 brass oil bottle from W.H.B.



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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 22 2018 at 2:53pm
I don't know I've  never head of, or ever even seen a picture of one till, now.
Are you sure its an Enfield pull through?




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Posted By: Rik
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 1:30am
I am sure it's the same rope only now there is a steel weight crimped on the rope.



Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: September 23 2018 at 7:18pm
looks the same BUT , i fear that might be reproduction thing as i do not think the commonwealth ever issued a steel weight - i could be wrong , never say never or always with enfields - but im fairly confident in that statement , i think it a reproduction 

that said the oilers look good from what i see in the photos 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 24 2018 at 6:27am
It may also be some one off in the field thing. I've done the same got the rope then made a weight & fitted it, only I used a piece of copper pipe.


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Posted By: Stanforth
Date Posted: September 24 2018 at 9:01am
When a bore brush is past it's best I used to use the brass end to make a pull through. Now I don't bother as 'Bore snakes are so cheap on e-bay.

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Posted By: Rik
Date Posted: September 24 2018 at 9:44am
Maybe it is a reproduction or something made in the field I dont now. But I did a little search on google images and you can find some more steel ones.



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: September 24 2018 at 1:16pm
Its a Henfield, never say never!
Confused


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: December 26 2018 at 1:15pm
Please excuse: I am an ( Enfield ) beginner!
 
What´s on the other end of the pull through? A thread? Which size? ( I suppose NOT 8 - 32 or 8 - 64, and NOT 4 mm, which is fine in European Militaries ) or a loop?
 
And what´s the brass loop? Where to attach this?
 
And the metal part with 4 points - is that a firing pin tool? Is this necessary, or just nice to have?
 
THANKS in advance, Hermann


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Posted By: MarkG
Date Posted: December 26 2018 at 1:41pm
The firing pin tool isn't necessary if the rifle is correctly set up, but nice to have if it's not. The Lee-Enfield has fairly lax tolerances on firing pin protrusion, but you can puncture primers if it's outside the desired range.

They're not terribly expensive. I think my reproduction tool cost about $20 off ebay.


Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: December 26 2018 at 2:25pm
Thx!Smile

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 26 2018 at 2:25pm
Arminius:
just a couple of loops of the cord. what you do is tear off a strip of "2X4" (the rolled fabric with the red lines) & make a "patch" which your partner will pull through the bore. The could be whetted with a soluble oil bore cleaner which was the military version of "Young's .303" or run dry.
There was also a square of "Gauze" (steel fly screen material) that was used (with a sergeant's permission ONLY) to scrape rust from the bore. *shudder*
https://www.milsurps.com/enfield_site/ti21_files/image001.jpg


I'm not sure I understand what the "Metal part with 4 points" or the "brass loop" are, can you post a pic?



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Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: December 26 2018 at 3:06pm
Steel pull through weight was a WWII war expedient, brass was diverted towards ammunition casing manufacture.

Also, oiler bottles were produced using a plastic type material to conserve brass.

So a steel weight pull through with plastic oiler would be good in a 1943 rifle.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: December 26 2018 at 8:29pm
i stand corrected - ive not seen one personally but the explanation makes sense as the war expediants were quite common in those days of rationing and shortages , 

most of us today never lived in such times , my folks told me of them but neither were on the european front , i do know the metals were precious here according to my mother there was always a drive to reclaim needed metals , brass was a crucial item and much the reason for the MAZAK/ZMACK butt plates seen on the no4 mkI* rifles from this side of the pond , 


Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: December 27 2018 at 1:42am
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Arminius:
I'm not sure I understand what the "Metal part with 4 points" or the "brass loop" are, can you post a pic?



I referred to the first pic in the thread.

Piece of brass with loop on the end, and "4 pointed thing" , I think it´s the FP tool.

Hermann


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Posted By: britrifles
Date Posted: December 27 2018 at 5:52am
“4 pointed thing” is actually a “2 pointed thing”, you are seeing the shadow from the two lugs in the end of the tool making it appear to have 4 points.  It’s a tool to remove the striker from the bolt.  


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 27 2018 at 6:43am
OK I misunderstood, sorry I thought you had posted a pic I couldn't see.

The "T-Handled thing is a firing pin removal tool, Like Britrifles said the other 2 are shadows. I've never used it but it came with a kit of L-E goodies that I got from (I Think) Sarco years back.

The brass thing with the loop is a jag for holding cleaning patches. Its in 2 pieces & the can rotate as its pushed through the bore.

It was used with a "T-Handle" rod (not shown) for clearing obstructions & higher level cleaning than the pull through. In fact its used to push out snapped pull throughs! Unlike modern jags it is un-threaded to prevent inadvertently pulling the now dirty patch back through the bore it just falls out at the other end.


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: December 27 2018 at 1:00pm
Thanks! VERY interesting! NOT threaded, to guarantee one way!
 
Wacko
 
thx, again, Hermann


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Posted By: TomcatPC
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 11:37am
Old topic I know...  
In my short time with the Lee-Enfield Rifle and all the odds and sods that go along with it, I've seen just as many steel weighted pull-throughs as I have brass.
Mark


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 2:01pm
Older ones were brass. The steel replacements were a "wartime expediency" to save brass for other things.


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