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Topic: Gunsmith Suggestion Help
Posted By: FrozenND
Subject: Gunsmith Suggestion Help
Date Posted: December 14 2018 at 10:40pm
I was wondering if anyone new of a gunsmith in the states that new how to properly install the reproduction sniper scope mount and do all required bore sighting needed to make sure it was use able when finished? The other part is, is reasonably fast like within 3-4 months if not sooner?

Any suggestions out there?


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 15 2018 at 7:41am
A couple of the members on here have done that work.
See if they'd be willing to help you out.


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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 15 2018 at 9:17am
I think Brian D.i.c.k. does the conversions,as well as Sarco?
I can do it but I do not have the means to transfer between gun stores. I can meet in person but I live in Phoenix Arizona...


Posted By: FrozenND
Date Posted: December 15 2018 at 9:25pm
I like your target groups! Brian D.i.c.k? how do you get a hold of him? SARCO, I that they just sold parts? They did a little gunsmith work to?

I have a friend in Vegas who drives to Phoenix fairly often. You work in a gunshop? I bought a longbranch 1943 I haven't shot it yet. I finally ordered bullets and dies, just haven't received them yet. To many things going on yet. Just trying to line stuff up. Seeing what was the best way to go.


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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 15 2018 at 9:36pm
I am not certain at all if they do or not. I thought that Brian D. did it.
 410 Meeting Street Road

Edgefield, SC 29824
Phone/Fax:  tel:+1%20%28803%29%20637-5784" rel="nofollow - +1 (803) 637-5784
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bdlltd. com is the website...



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 16 2018 at 6:22am
He has to type it that was or the server thinks its a naughty word & replaces the letters with hash-marks.


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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 16 2018 at 3:25pm
Gonna put a name here even though you asked for US gunsmiths. It's  a Canadian operation that refurbishes  Lee Enfields. Here in Canada, they are highly respected. British fellows. Father, son. He is a qualified gunsmith and they repair Enfields from all over the world. I recently purchased a repo L42A1 (repo, still chambered in .303 B) from them. Totally impressed. I talked to him in regards to mounting a repo Mk 32 scope and mounts. He is maybe one of a handful of gunsmiths in Canada that has all the equipment and expertise to do this. Leeenfieldrestorations.com. they are in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada . Unfortunately, turnaround time is measured in months...


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 16 2018 at 5:03pm
I do not work in a gun store. All my work us done in house,(my house). I can do it if you are willing to have your friend willingly hand over your rifle to me with all necessary components to do the required work. Turn around time from start to finish will be approximately 30 days. I only charge for labor. If I am to supply the reproduction scope assembly, it will be the cost plus ten percent and labor. The final inspection will include three test shots at 50 yards after zeroing the scope at the original 300 yard zero with 150 grn bullets. PM me for the cost information, phone number,and addresses of where your friend can meet me for the transfer.


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 16 2018 at 5:56pm
HT: Is that supposed to be "REPRO"? or is it really "REPO"?

Just askin. If they have REPO'd stuff, we should be able to get it real cheap!

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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 4:59am
They are the scopes by RSM made in China on Amazon.ca. Around $700. Cdn. for mount and scope.


Posted By: FrozenND
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 6:04am
Ive contacted Leeenfieldrestorations several times and love to buy one of their rifles or even send one to them. But can't figure out how to do it. I wrote to several importers about importing a rifle from Canada but they never write back. Other than driving up there and buying one, I really don't know how to get one out of Canada.

I have to run, when I get back tonight Ill ask a few more questions. There's a way to do this!


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 17 2018 at 6:14am
Most cases in the U.S. you have to have a licensed dealer do it for you.(Rhino may have better info on this.)
If I were you, I'd contact the closest ATFB office in your area for instructions.
Once you have that - the rest should be easy.

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Posted By: FrozenND
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 6:39am
Goosic, I sent you a private message and I also sent a message to BBL ltd as well. 

I also thought about taking a vacation to Canada and buying a rifle there, the idea of doing the paper work with ATF just doing it in advance then drive up and pick it up. But that might have to wait until I officially retire.


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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 10:10am
When I took my Vimy Vet & a Winchester semi auto shotgun to Cookie's in Mississippi (where I 1st met Rhino) I found the ATFB extremley helpful, & pleasant to deal with.
If you tell them what you want to do, seems like they'll bend over backwards to help ya.
I give them great cudos!

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Posted By: MarkG
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 11:19am
Originally posted by FrozenND FrozenND wrote:

Ive contacted Leeenfieldrestorations several times and love to buy one of their rifles or even send one to them. But can't figure out how to do it.

I met him at a gun show once. Seemed like a nice bloke.

I'd guess you'd have to:

1. Get your Canadian non-restricted PAL. I understand a fair number of American hunters have them, since you don't need to be Canadian to get one.
2. Buy a rifle from him in Canada.
3. Drive to the border.
4. Do the US paperwork to import it.

I don't believe there's any restriction on exporting firearms from Canada (at least, not those as old as a Lee-Enfield). Canadians just don't like doing it because of the hassle of getting them into America.


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 3:27pm
I do believe you are wrong Mark.

If the individual isn't a liceneced dealer in the U.S., lotsa luck getting Stateside without ATFB help.

Second, he's not a Canadian citiizen, ergo he will not be able to obtain a PAL (not POL). Without a Purchase & Aquisition Licence, he cannot buy.

Americans (& other foriegners) purchase a licence to bring a hunting firearm into Canada. (When Frank brought his in to hunt Bear, it was $250.00 Cdn).
Last time he was here, he bought an SKS (cuz they cant own them in Blighty), & put it on my tag & in my locker.

It will be siezed at the U.S. border.

But, then again...its up to you. maybe I'm wrong.



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Posted By: MarkG
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 3:34pm
You don't need to be a citizen to get a PAL, though it's likely to be easier because the RCMP will have records about you if you are. You just have to take the course and pass the background check.

I don't know what US paperwork is required other than that it's onerous enough that most Canadian gun sellers don't want to get involved with it.


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 4:07pm
I dont know where your getting you info from..but I can tell you that a "foriegner" would have to jump thru the same hoops as anyone else to get a PAL.
Thats gonna take a while.( & the RCMP may have additional questions).

Then get it back Stateside.

As I said before...He's American. Get the ATFB involved, & he has no problems.
They will tell him what he needs.


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Posted By: MarkG
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

I dont know where your getting you info from..but I can tell you that a "foriegner" would have to jump thru the same hoops as anyone else to get a PAL.

Uh, yes. That's exactly what I said.


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 7:29pm
...& IIRC one of the questions is: are you a Canadian Citizen?
    & another caveat...they want to know your wife's information, & weather or not you have been bankrupt, been under the care of a Dr for mental disorders & on & on.
So just HOW does a non-citzen/resident go about obtaining a PAL in Canada?
Please explain this. I am obviously mis-informed.

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Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 18 2018 at 8:13pm
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Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: December 19 2018 at 11:23am
Not difficult for a non restricted rifle or shotgun to be shipped out of Canada. The hoops to jump through are at the US side. That, I can not help you with.

I regularly ship pre 1899  long Lee rifles and receivers over the border. The onus is on the US recipient to prove that the rifle is antique. Not difficult to do with the date stamped right there on the receiver. My customs declarations are quite specific and detailed as to what is in the package. Several have arrived at the doorstep of the new owner unopened.

Shipping a non restricted rifle or shotgun up from the states into Canada, that is a totally different story. Permits required.


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Posted By: MarkG
Date Posted: December 19 2018 at 11:54am
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

...& IIRC one of the questions is: are you a Canadian Citizen?

There's no such question on the form, and specific instructions for extra documentation required for non-residents. That's because you don't need to be a citizen or a resident to get a PAL.

Quote So just HOW does a non-citzen/resident go about obtaining a PAL in Canada?

They take the course, and apply for one.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 19 2018 at 3:34pm
As a Canadian, feel our pain! I've been turned down from Brownells and other US companies that simply refuse to ship certain parts up to Canada. Anything related to scope mounts, magazines, and even Repo Cheek piece risers for Sniper clones. I thought you guys were our best friends and allies?


Posted By: Goosic
Date Posted: December 19 2018 at 6:11pm
You have a friend in Az. Honkytonk. Thumbs Up...


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 19 2018 at 7:58pm
Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

As a Canadian, feel our pain! I've been turned down from Brownells and other US companies that simply refuse to ship certain parts up to Canada. Anything related to scope mounts, magazines, and even Repo Cheek piece risers for Sniper clones. I thought you guys were our best friends and allies?


Well, last time I filled out one of those forms, they wanted all that information..including my wife's maiden name etc.
Fine. I'll get clarity from the Ontario Firearms officer morrow.

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Posted By: 42rocker
Date Posted: December 19 2018 at 8:47pm
Of course I can add that I've wanted to buy several things from Marstar in Canada and Flat No, we will not ship Anything to the U.S.. I was interested in parts no receiver type materials.
Well that's the way that it is. 
 
Later 42rocker


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: December 20 2018 at 7:07am
Ok..just spent an eternity on phone with the Cheif Firearms officer for Ontario, to clarify this.
She said: " a non-resident wishing to purchase a firearm in Canada MUST have a PAL(possesion & Acquisition licence). To obtain this licence, you must take the firearms course here. A licence / proof of saftey course from another country is not eligible.
Note: Its highly unlikley that someone from outside of Canada would travel here just to take the course. Then leave while awaiting approval of their licence & application. Then return to purchase said firearm. (PAL is good for 5 yrs.
    She is e-mailing the forms to me, for anyone that wants to see them.
On the form there will be background information requested. The applicant will also have to supply background/security check from their home state (& pay whatever fees that state applies for same).
Her suggestion is: You (meaning me) legally purchase the firearm, & ship it to the person that wants to but it. IF that individual has registered the information with the ATFB, Canada has no legal problem with it, & The U.S. would have no problem with it.
So, it appears as I had said previous. The ATFB is your best bet.(Just don't try to import a Soviet bloc firearm!) You can ask Rhino bout that                 

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Posted By: FrozenND
Date Posted: December 20 2018 at 8:17pm
Hmm. although this is like an apple vs orange thing but.... When I was in Afghanistan I mailed home by US Postal service an old Snyder conversion Enfield musket rifle. Seems war trophy only apply to current wars.

As a side story, I was a civilian and my buddy and I were looking at old Enfields pre 1900's to buy and ship home. We noticed in the shop they had an old Enfield No 1 bolt action 303 cal. Being curious, we asked how much. The Shop owner said it belonged to the other shop that was located closer to the chow hall and to take there. Thought that was odd, but we could get into trouble doing this, it is a modern weapon, well sort of. We waked through past a US Army guard post, he didn't say anything. Walked by about 15-20 Army guys with their M-16 and a few Lt's, they didn't say anything either. We were wearing T-shirts, cut off jeans, work boots.  Nobody cared, My buddy said to one Army guy when he looked at us, "it's all our company could afford to buy".

Anyway, back to shipping from Canada. It's got to be possible some how. When I was in Turkey at the Incirlik AB, I bought 3 shotguns at an off base shop. The shop owner had his brother in law who lived in the US and was a importer from Turkey. They filled out all the paper work with ATF, once approved and their shipping container was full. It was shipped. About 5 months later, I received an email requesting a FFL to where to ship my shotguns. The AF guys there who bought shotguns, all did their paper work at least 4 months before shipping their belongs including their shotguns home. When going through customs, the approved paper work had to with the shotguns. before moving onto their next base. They did not go through a importer because they owned it already, no FFL and back ground check needed. But there could be an exception for military people.

I guess I just need to call ATF and ask.    


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Posted By: Tonsper
Date Posted: January 04 2019 at 11:21am
"Second, he's not a Canadian citiizen, ergo he will not be able to obtain a PAL (not POL). Without a Purchase & Aquisition Licence, he cannot buy."

WRONGO. I am a federally-licensed PAL-RPAL instructor and have helped many non-Canadians, including two from Africa. Most of whom have later gotten their PAL. I live in northern BC, about 1,000 miles from ND so that would be a little difficult. Once the PAL paperwork goes through, rifles, shotguns, and ammunition can be bought by putting some cash on the counter. There is more paperwork needed from the new destination country but I can't answer what.


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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: January 05 2019 at 8:04am
Back in the late 80s when I was stationed in Germany, Me and one of my Buddies each picked up a CZ-50 Czech Secret Service pistols ....  Jay was under 21 so the Army would not let him keep his, so I took it and filled the ATF paper work out to bring them state side, I also bought a Voere' rifle , so I walk into the Frankfurt air port with said weapons and was taken down at the counter !!! after a strip search and inspection they wrapped up my gun case with security tape and let me move on... When I got state side, jay came to my wedding and while there he picked up his pistol.  by this time he had turned 21 !!!  Now I dont think they will let you bring back pistols .....  not sure since that was over 30 years ago ! now the paper work I filed back then took about 6 months to get a response, during that time I kept the firearms in our company arms room as per the Army Regs.   I even had a weapons card to use to draw my private firearms to take to the range , also the forearms had to be registered with the military in Europe... I still have my forearms registration cards some place around here ! LOL!!!  

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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 05 2019 at 8:26am
Tonsper: Can you explain this a little clearer for me / us?
Just how did these people legally obtain their PAL?
Did they take the course here in Canada, & was tested by a Canadian officer?
In accordance with the Chief Firearms Officer's directives, that clearly what is necessary.
Yes, once they have the PAL they can purchase here..IF they are here.

This goes back to what I said earlier..Canada has no issue for an individual to export to the States...It has to be accepted on the State's side..which then would involve prior clearance by the ATFB

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 05 2019 at 7:08pm
wish you would ship me a nice lee metford - i have a gaping hole in my collection where that belongs , 


Posted By: Tonsper
Date Posted: January 05 2019 at 9:43pm
Hoadie, There is NO requirement that a person must be a Canadian citizen or even live in Canada. The easiest and most common way to start the process is to take a course in Canada from a PAL/RPAL instructor. I have taught people from other countries that happened to be nearby when I had a course scheduled.

In BC, there are instructors that have traveled outside the province and taught a course elsewhere, such as in Alaska. This requires extra expenses for the instructor to travel with the training pieces and computer for training aids. Once the student passes the course, he or she is given a course report, an addressed envelope, and an application which can be mailed to the Central Firearms Office once it is filled out. Also needed is a letter on letterhead from the student's residence area regarding their criminal record.

Next, the course report, application form, a passport size photo, and payment in Canadian pesos is mailed away. A first PAL often takes 10 to 12 weeks due mostly to the lack of speed of any federal bureaucrat.  Once this is done and the waiting time is over, the PAL card is mailed to the address that the student provides, whatever the country.

Hope this helps.




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Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: January 06 2019 at 4:17am
yes it does...somewhat.
You would never get an instructor from here to do that.
(& I suspect that there would be border issues on that, nowadays. USBS may view it as "working without a permit" stateside.
No matter, we have established that it IS possible, although quite a rarity.

The issue of export still stands, though. The American doesn't require a PAL, if a Canadian is sending it to him / her. He / she still has to have the proper AMERICAN licences, & an ATFB agent to work with.

I found ATFB to be VERY helpful & understanding when I wanted to take my Enfield to Mississippi (where I 1st met Rhino), to shoot with Cookie & Rhino.
She expedited the forms & permits & followed up with phone calls to ensure I was looked after. (And they have never charged me anything!)

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Posted By: FrozenND
Date Posted: January 09 2019 at 4:29am
That's very intersting to hear about being able to be a PAL lic holder. Im just to busy to do that right now until I fully retire in 5 years or so, maybe less. I do have a local ATF shop here in my city, been busy do to Christmas and stuff.

I think that if you own the rifle being authorized to buy it in the country that your in. One just needs to file the proper paper work to ATF state side to bring the rifle into the USA. Once approved, then you can bring it in, takes 90-120 days for a responses from ATF. A importer then isn't required, unless you have not took legal control of it before it crossed the boarder.

I could be very wrong though. But that's basically what I remember from my experience buying shotguns in Turkey and talking to AF guys who bought them waiting to go back home who had their paper work returned or waiting for it.


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Posted By: kudzu
Date Posted: January 09 2019 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by Tonsper Tonsper wrote:

Hoadie, There is NO requirement that a person must be a Canadian citizen or even live in Canada. The easiest and most common way to start the process is to take a course in Canada from a PAL/RPAL instructor. I have taught people from other countries that happened to be nearby when I had a course scheduled.

In BC, there are instructors that have traveled outside the province and taught a course elsewhere, such as in Alaska. This requires extra expenses for the instructor to travel with the training pieces and computer for training aids. Once the student passes the course, he or she is given a course report, an addressed envelope, and an application which can be mailed to the Central Firearms Office once it is filled out. Also needed is a letter on letterhead from the student's residence area regarding their criminal record.

Next, the course report, application form, a passport size photo, and payment in Canadian pesos is mailed away. A first PAL often takes 10 to 12 weeks due mostly to the lack of speed of any federal bureaucrat.  Once this is done and the waiting time is over, the PAL card is mailed to the address that the student provides, whatever the country.

Hope this helps.



This is pretty much how my South African buddy told me how it was when he took his in Kelowna.



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